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[quote]Amsterdam Animal wrote:
Time to unsubscribe from yet another thread…

Zap Branigan wrote:
How dare you come on a supplement company’s website and ask opinions on best usage of their supplements!

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Sorry, but I just don’t get it. The dude posted a dumb question in the beginners forum. There is no reason to get upset about it.

I agree that we have too many people (many of them trolls) asking how to get ripped when they weigh 135 pounds but the people that get upset about simple questions in the beginners forum are just looking for reasons to be upset.

Maybe I am missing something on this issue but I cannot figure out what it is…

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Completely agree. I caught up with the last few posts off this thread and thought there goes another thread down the drain. If people would spent half the time and energy getting all worked up on this forum in the gym, they may actually have something to show for one of these days.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Amsterdam Animal wrote:
Time to unsubscribe from yet another thread…

Zap Branigan wrote:
How dare you come on a supplement company’s website and ask opinions on best usage of their supplements!

Sorry, but I just don’t get it. The dude posted a dumb question in the beginners forum. There is no reason to get upset about it.

I agree that we have too many people (many of them trolls) asking how to get ripped when they weigh 135 pounds but the people that get upset about simple questions in the beginners forum are just looking for reasons to be upset.

Maybe I am missing something on this issue but I cannot figure out what it is…[/quote]

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Amen to that man.

[quote]Amsterdam Animal wrote:
Completely agree. I caught up with the last few posts off this thread and thought there goes another thread down the drain. If people would spent half the time and energy getting all worked up on this forum in the gym, they may actually have something to show for one of these days.

Zap Branigan wrote:
Amsterdam Animal wrote:
Time to unsubscribe from yet another thread…

Zap Branigan wrote:
How dare you come on a supplement company’s website and ask opinions on best usage of their supplements!

Sorry, but I just don’t get it. The dude posted a dumb question in the beginners forum. There is no reason to get upset about it.

I agree that we have too many people (many of them trolls) asking how to get ripped when they weigh 135 pounds but the people that get upset about simple questions in the beginners forum are just looking for reasons to be upset.

Maybe I am missing something on this issue but I cannot figure out what it is…

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Amsterdam Animal wrote:
Time to unsubscribe from yet another thread…

Zap Branigan wrote:
How dare you come on a supplement company’s website and ask opinions on best usage of their supplements!

Sorry, but I just don’t get it. The dude posted a dumb question in the beginners forum. There is no reason to get upset about it.

I agree that we have too many people (many of them trolls) asking how to get ripped when they weigh 135 pounds but the people that get upset about simple questions in the beginners forum are just looking for reasons to be upset.

Maybe I am missing something on this issue but I cannot figure out what it is…[/quote]

Well, I tried to post it in the beginners forum, but it showed up in “Supplements and Nutrition” since it was about supps. I don’t know if it would have gotten the same reaction if it had actually shown up Beginners.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Amsterdam Animal wrote:
Time to unsubscribe from yet another thread…

Zap Branigan wrote:
How dare you come on a supplement company’s website and ask opinions on best usage of their supplements!

Sorry, but I just don’t get it. The dude posted a dumb question in the beginners forum. There is no reason to get upset about it.

I agree that we have too many people (many of them trolls) asking how to get ripped when they weigh 135 pounds but the people that get upset about simple questions in the beginners forum are just looking for reasons to be upset.

Maybe I am missing something on this issue but I cannot figure out what it is…

Well, I tried to post it in the beginners forum, but it showed up in “Supplements and Nutrition” since it was about supps. I don’t know if it would have gotten the same reaction if it had actually shown up Beginners.

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Well hell, a post asking about supplements in the supplements forum deserves a flogging.

I mean maybe someone would actually have shared experience but we cannot have that.

There are too many important issues to discuss such as why the site has gone down hill, why there are suddenly so many pretty girls around and whether Brad Pitt could beat up Bruce Lee.

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[quote]fightingtiger wrote:
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=659666

If you read that article and take the time to actually understand it, and then take the time to actually understand what the two prodcuts you are comparing are (which, btw, is as simple as looking up the nutrition facts), then you shouldnt have had a problem and shouldnt be here trying to cover your ass about it.

By the way, that was number three down the list on a search for “post workout nutrition”. Real fucking difficult.[/quote]

(article) “glycogen restoration is all too easy to achieve and may not be as critical as once thought (and) protein synthesis needs to be the focus of our recovery intervention”

…So I guess Metabolic Drive Complete, since it has more protein and less carbs than Surge, is actually a better PWO shake?

(article)“the “post workout window” lasts at least 24 hours”

So… as long as I’ve worked out in the last 24 hours, a meal replacement IS post workout nutrition?

(article)
“consuming a protein shake immediately after training hinders optimal results”

(Surge)
Recommended Use: Consume immediately after training on an empty stomach.

Yep. If I was just… smaart… enough to “actually understand the article” I wouldnt have to ask stupid questions. It makes sense that the article says drinking Surge immediately after training hinders optimal results, but the reccomendation for Surge is to drink it immediately after training… right?

Basically what I’m getting from the article is Metabolic Drive Complete is a better product than Surge. Would you agree?

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
<<< (article) “glycogen restoration is all too easy to achieve and may not be as critical as once thought (and) protein synthesis needs to be the focus of our recovery intervention”

…So I guess Metabolic Drive Complete, since it has more protein and less carbs than Surge, is actually a better PWO shake?

(article)“the “post workout window” lasts at least 24 hours”

So… as long as I’ve worked out in the last 24 hours, a meal replacement IS post workout nutrition?

(article)
“consuming a protein shake immediately after training hinders optimal results”

(Surge)
Recommended Use: Consume immediately after training on an empty stomach.

Yep. If I was just… smaart… enough to “actually understand the article” I wouldnt have to ask stupid questions. It makes sense that the article says drinking Surge immediately after training hinders optimal results, but the reccomendation for Surge is to drink it immediately after training… right?

Basically what I’m getting from the article is Metabolic Drive Complete is a better product than Surge. Would you agree?
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I agree that if you move some heavy weight until it hurts and put enough of just about anything in your stomach afterward you’ll grow long enough until this burning question becomes relevant to your life.

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(article)
Now these may be irrelevant points, because in the effort of keeping our focus where it ought to lie?on maximizing protein synthesis? we?re going to quickly stimulate our glycogen restoration anyway. This is because we consume rapidly absorbed carbohydrates along with our protein and amino acids, which has been shown to enhance muscle protein anabolism (Rasmussen et al., 2000).

(article)
One of a plethora of excuses made in an attempt to resist preworkout nutrition; this myth actually makes a lot of sense?until you become familiar with the physiology of hormones. Looking deeper, we can find that the insulin stimulated by food intake, actually enhances blood flow and subsequent nutrient delivery to muscles (Coggins et al., 2001).

Applying this principle, liquid pre workout meal consumption dramatically increases muscle blood flow and protein synthesis (Tipton et al., 2001). This elevation in muscle growth is at least twice that observed with the same drink taken post workout (Tipton et al., 2001)! In fact, this effect even lasts for an hour after the workout, so it?s like having 2 drinks for the price of 1! If you want more detail on this topic check out the article on Arginine blood flow stimulators.

(article)
In light of these data and the growing body of literature contradicting the versatility and usefulness of whey protein, it should henceforth be classified as “moderate” or “intermediate” speed protein, with only whey hydrolysate and amino acids existing as truly “fast.”

Now, if you checked the little write up for Surge in the store after reading the article, you would have found that it contains glucose, maltodextrin, whey-protein hydrolysate, and BCCAs.

Hmmm.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
There are too many important issues to discuss such as why the site has gone down hill, why there are suddenly so many pretty girls around and whether Brad Pitt could beat up Bruce Lee.[/quote]

Bruce Lee, hands down.

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[quote]fightingtiger wrote:
(article)
Now these may be irrelevant points, because in the effort of keeping our focus where it ought to lie?on maximizing protein synthesis? we?re going to quickly stimulate our glycogen restoration anyway. This is because we consume rapidly absorbed carbohydrates along with our protein and amino acids, which has been shown to enhance muscle protein anabolism (Rasmussen et al., 2000).

(article)
One of a plethora of excuses made in an attempt to resist preworkout nutrition; this myth actually makes a lot of sense?until you become familiar with the physiology of hormones. Looking deeper, we can find that the insulin stimulated by food intake, actually enhances blood flow and subsequent nutrient delivery to muscles (Coggins et al., 2001).

Applying this principle, liquid pre workout meal consumption dramatically increases muscle blood flow and protein synthesis (Tipton et al., 2001). This elevation in muscle growth is at least twice that observed with the same drink taken post workout (Tipton et al., 2001)! In fact, this effect even lasts for an hour after the workout, so it?s like having 2 drinks for the price of 1! If you want more detail on this topic check out the article on Arginine blood flow stimulators.

(article)
In light of these data and the growing body of literature contradicting the versatility and usefulness of whey protein, it should henceforth be classified as “moderate” or “intermediate” speed protein, with only whey hydrolysate and amino acids existing as truly “fast.”

Now, if you checked the little write up for Surge in the store after reading the article, you would have found that it contains glucose, maltodextrin, whey-protein hydrolysate, and BCCAs.

Hmmm.[/quote]

You are really investing far too much energy and frustration on this. Just go lift some weights and then you can have a serving of Surge.

Take care,

D

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Hey, its my day off and Im tired of doing homework for my online class.

Im going to the gym at 6.

Oh shit, Im turning into this other guy, defending myself endlessly on message boards…

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[quote]Yo Momma wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
There are too many important issues to discuss such as why the site has gone down hill, why there are suddenly so many pretty girls around and whether Brad Pitt could beat up Bruce Lee.

Bruce Lee, hands down.

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Nah, even Bradboy could take a corpse.

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At some point the complaining about poor posts gets more tiresome and redundant than the ridiculous posts themselves.

My fault for reading them though. Usually I try not to.

By the way, if someone is really caught up with supplements then, I didn’t think the original question was out of line to begin with.

Personally I doubt you will see much difference if you go with one over the other.

Just eat right, train hard, and take what supplements you can afford.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
<<< (article) “glycogen restoration is all too easy to achieve and may not be as critical as once thought (and) protein synthesis needs to be the focus of our recovery intervention”

…So I guess Metabolic Drive Complete, since it has more protein and less carbs than Surge, is actually a better PWO shake?

(article)“the “post workout window” lasts at least 24 hours”

So… as long as I’ve worked out in the last 24 hours, a meal replacement IS post workout nutrition?

(article)
“consuming a protein shake immediately after training hinders optimal results”

(Surge)
Recommended Use: Consume immediately after training on an empty stomach.

Yep. If I was just… smaart… enough to “actually understand the article” I wouldnt have to ask stupid questions. It makes sense that the article says drinking Surge immediately after training hinders optimal results, but the reccomendation for Surge is to drink it immediately after training… right?

Basically what I’m getting from the article is Metabolic Drive Complete is a better product than Surge. Would you agree?

I agree that if you move some heavy weight until it hurts and put enough of just about anything in your stomach afterward you’ll grow long enough until this burning question becomes relevant to your life.[/quote]

That may need to be repeated. After training, I EAT SOMETHING. What that SOMETHING is varies. It is far more important how you eat ALL DAY LONG, than specifically what you ate directly after training even though making sure I eat SOMETHING has been one of the static habits since I started training.

I am still waiting to see the people who simply blew the fuck up simply because they started taking Surge and kept everything else the same. I can understand believing that supplements are damn near magic. I was one of the idiots buying Hott Stuff when it first came out. I’m not faulting anyone for being clueless about supplements as a beginner. I will, however, try to get that person asking to think deeper just like I wish someone had done with me.

I think so many truly believe that everything has to be textbook perfect for them to see progress. Biology isn’t that constant.

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[quote]new2training wrote:
At some point the complaining about poor posts gets more tiresome and redundant than the ridiculous posts themselves.

My fault for reading them though. Usually I try not to.

By the way, if someone is really caught up with supplements then, I didn’t think the original question was out of line to begin with.

Personally I doubt you will see much difference if you go with one over the other.

Just eat right, train hard, and take what supplements you can afford. [/quote]

Stop complaining.

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[quote]Kruiser wrote:
Yo Momma wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
There are too many important issues to discuss such as why the site has gone down hill, why there are suddenly so many pretty girls around and whether Brad Pitt could beat up Bruce Lee.

Bruce Lee, hands down.

Nah, even Bradboy could take a corpse.

[/quote]

Are you kidding? Bruce’s rotting carcass can still kick Brad’s ass any day of the week.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
new2training wrote:
At some point the complaining about poor posts gets more tiresome and redundant than the ridiculous posts themselves.

My fault for reading them though. Usually I try not to.

By the way, if someone is really caught up with supplements then, I didn’t think the original question was out of line to begin with.

Personally I doubt you will see much difference if you go with one over the other.

Just eat right, train hard, and take what supplements you can afford.

Stop complaining.[/quote]

I’m done :wink:

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[quote]new2training wrote:

I’m done :wink:
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As am I. There is a point where complaining about useless posts becomes kind of contradictory, and I think we have reached it now. My OP was mainly to vent frustrations.

Iv got my log and Ill chime in on the useful or funny stuff, but I guess all we can really do is ignore the idiots until they find another site to bring down.

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[quote]fightingtiger wrote:
new2training wrote:

I’m done :wink:

As am I. There is a point where complaining about useless posts becomes kind of contradictory, and I think we have reached it now. My OP was mainly to vent frustrations.

Iv got my log and Ill chime in on the useful or funny stuff, but I guess all we can really do is ignore the idiots until they find another site to bring down.[/quote]

Or you could actually try making quality posts instead of bitching that other people ask stupid questions.

Didn’t Ghandi say something about “being the change you wish to see in the world”?

As far as I’m concerned, if you’re not making contributions towards the quality of the site… you’re as much a part of the problem as anyone else (even someone like me who does the terrible thing of asking a dumb question once every 150 posts or so).

Its like the cool thing to do now is complain that this (free) site isn’t good enough for you. So start a thread about a better topic; post in one that already has your approval in order to keep a good thread from getting buried. Put in effort to make the place better or get over yourself.

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[quote]Mod Laurie wrote:
Aragorn wrote:
Mod Laurie wrote:
So, are you saying we should allow the newbies to post, get flamed, and let the strong survive? :slight_smile:

Yes, exactly. That is what happened to me when I was a newb. Here.

And look how well you turned out. :P[/quote]

Heh. I suppose I walked right into that one. But seriously, I wouldn’t have made near the progress I have now if I hadn’t gotten my butt beat in a thread or two. It just takes a person with enough maturity and very little ego to be able to take advice when that advice stings the eyes.