I carry everyday and have for years, including church. Glock 19 with Gold Dot 124 gr. +P.
PA. has very good CCW regulations and it is a shall issue state. It is extremely rare to hear of a permitted concealed weapon holder using his weapon unlawfully. Frequently they are used to stop a crime in progress. By extremely rare I mean it is a fraction of a percentage.
As for advanced training I have taken a lot of it. I’m also an NRA certified instructor.
Keep in mind that a civilian is held to a much higher standard in a lethal force encounter. A justifiable shoot for a civilian has a higher bar to reach then one by a police officer. Police officers are civilians and the training they recieve is hit or miss. Really depends on the individual.
The government shouldn’t be in the business of restricting the Second Ammendment.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Reports of homeonwners defending successfully defending their property from intruders with the use of deadly force seem to be on the rise. Either that, or I am paying more attention to them.
I don’t see the failed attempts. You know, where the untrained, unfit old woman gets her shit blown away because she was too weak and ignorant to point the gun and pull the trigger?
Where are those stories?
We had a huge discussion about a year ago about police busting down the doors of an 80 year old woman’s house (who they thought was a drug dealer) who had a gun. The results were…unfavorable.
I am not against guns at all but let’s not pretend as if all of these instances result in “criminal killed and innocent person saved”.[/quote]
Wait, I thought that one of the thugs that knocked down her door was killed?
“I put him on the floor,” Smith said. “I said, ‘Lay down on the floor, turn your head that way, spread-eagle your arms and your legs.’ That’s what they told me to do, and I did it.”
[quote]orion wrote:
Professor X wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Reports of homeonwners defending successfully defending their property from intruders with the use of deadly force seem to be on the rise. Either that, or I am paying more attention to them.
I don’t see the failed attempts. You know, where the untrained, unfit old woman gets her shit blown away because she was too weak and ignorant to point the gun and pull the trigger?
Where are those stories?
We had a huge discussion about a year ago about police busting down the doors of an 80 year old woman’s house (who they thought was a drug dealer) who had a gun. The results were…unfavorable.
I am not against guns at all but let’s not pretend as if all of these instances result in “criminal killed and innocent person saved”.
Wait, I thought that one of the thugs that knocked down her door was killed?
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No. They were undercover police officers who literally broke down her door and shot her to death when she opened fire on them.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Reports of homeonwners defending successfully defending their property from intruders with the use of deadly force seem to be on the rise. Either that, or I am paying more attention to them.
I don’t see the failed attempts. You know, where the untrained, unfit old woman gets her shit blown away because she was too weak and ignorant to point the gun and pull the trigger?
Where are those stories?
We had a huge discussion about a year ago about police busting down the doors of an 80 year old woman’s house (who they thought was a drug dealer) who had a gun. The results were…unfavorable.
I am not against guns at all but let’s not pretend as if all of these instances result in “criminal killed and innocent person saved”.[/quote]
Well, she is a casualty of a misguided “drug war” and police jack-booted thuggery. We need to keep each issue in the category it belongs in.
My friend got shot to death by the police because he was using scissors to try to protect his wheelchair-bound dad from a criminal outside their apartment who he thought was trying to break in. What we need is a better-trained police force and an end to the drug war.
[quote]apbt55 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
How many people go to church with a gun in their pocket even if they own several guns?
Depends on where you live I think. I have been to some churches where people have them in a holster, but one of my friends is also a state trooper and is supposed to have his gun on him at all times, so he carries it to church.
And with the hate in this country for church goers recently I could see it becoming more common.[/quote]
Nobody went to this church in New Jersey armed, unfortunately.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
orion wrote:
Professor X wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Reports of homeonwners defending successfully defending their property from intruders with the use of deadly force seem to be on the rise. Either that, or I am paying more attention to them.
I don’t see the failed attempts. You know, where the untrained, unfit old woman gets her shit blown away because she was too weak and ignorant to point the gun and pull the trigger?
Where are those stories?
We had a huge discussion about a year ago about police busting down the doors of an 80 year old woman’s house (who they thought was a drug dealer) who had a gun. The results were…unfavorable.
I am not against guns at all but let’s not pretend as if all of these instances result in “criminal killed and innocent person saved”.
Wait, I thought that one of the thugs that knocked down her door was killed?
No. They were undercover police officers who literally broke down her door and shot her to death when she opened fire on them.