[quote]Professor X wrote:
How many people go to church with a gun in their pocket even if they own several guns?[/quote]
Hell I certainly would if I had a concelled weapons permit. Chance favors the prepared mind.
If you want to carry, then carry. A friend in my office use to work there and carried in spite of the law. Self defense is a human right. Me, I prefer to stay out of those areas. The thing about LA, though, is that the haves live right next to the have-nots.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
Another point, cops are not soldiers. They are private citizens just like the rest of use. I like the way Ronnie Barrett looks at it. If you don’t allow a private citizen to own a certain gun, he won’t sell it all in your state.
No police sales. They’re our peers, not above or better than us.[/quote]
Off-topic, but speaking of Mr. Barrett, have you put any rounds through that 50 of yours? I’d like to hear a range report over on the Rifle Lovers thread.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
I want to make clear the distinction between trained to use a gun and fitness. Those who lack even a minimal level of fitness whether through age, frailty or even sedentary habits, can still be very capable with a gun.
I was referring to both. Ask a lot of gun owners how many tactical pistol/shotgun/rifle classes they’ve taken. crickets
Also, while we can debate how “in shape” someone has to be, in the scenario that started this thread, some obese average looking guy with a .38 who gets winded getting out of bed is not going to be as much of a hero as he probably thinks he will be.
I think some of you underestimate just how weakly prepared for much of anything most people are.
Everyone sees themselves as an action hero before the shit goes down. I have the opinion that very few are truly ready for action when it pops off even if they did attend a gun range back in 1997 and talk about guns at every given opportunity.[/quote]
How about 35 years between buying the gun, putting six rounds in the chamber, putting it on the bed table and then using it to kill an intruder. The 68 year old gun owner wasn’t exactly fit and didn’t go to the range. How’d he do it? According to the article:
“I don’t know what else to call it, just instinct,” he said. “I’ve had the gun sitting on my night stand for years, loaded. I didn’t want to shoot anybody. I was hoping I’d never have to use it.”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2102254/posts?page=64
[quote]Loose Tool wrote:
Professor X wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
I want to make clear the distinction between trained to use a gun and fitness. Those who lack even a minimal level of fitness whether through age, frailty or even sedentary habits, can still be very capable with a gun.
I was referring to both. Ask a lot of gun owners how many tactical pistol/shotgun/rifle classes they’ve taken. crickets
Also, while we can debate how “in shape” someone has to be, in the scenario that started this thread, some obese average looking guy with a .38 who gets winded getting out of bed is not going to be as much of a hero as he probably thinks he will be.
I think some of you underestimate just how weakly prepared for much of anything most people are.
Everyone sees themselves as an action hero before the shit goes down. I have the opinion that very few are truly ready for action when it pops off even if they did attend a gun range back in 1997 and talk about guns at every given opportunity.
How about 35 years between buying the gun, putting six rounds in the chamber, putting it on the bed table and then using it to kill an intruder. The 68 year old gun owner wasn’t exactly fit and didn’t go to the range. How’d he do it? According to the article:
“I don’t know what else to call it, just instinct,” he said. “I’ve had the gun sitting on my night stand for years, loaded. I didn’t want to shoot anybody. I was hoping I’d never have to use it.”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2102254/posts?page=64
[/quote]
Adrenaline is a hell of a drug. Beyond that, what is your point?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Loose Tool wrote:
Professor X wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
I want to make clear the distinction between trained to use a gun and fitness. Those who lack even a minimal level of fitness whether through age, frailty or even sedentary habits, can still be very capable with a gun.
I was referring to both. Ask a lot of gun owners how many tactical pistol/shotgun/rifle classes they’ve taken. crickets
Also, while we can debate how “in shape” someone has to be, in the scenario that started this thread, some obese average looking guy with a .38 who gets winded getting out of bed is not going to be as much of a hero as he probably thinks he will be.
I think some of you underestimate just how weakly prepared for much of anything most people are.
Everyone sees themselves as an action hero before the shit goes down. I have the opinion that very few are truly ready for action when it pops off even if they did attend a gun range back in 1997 and talk about guns at every given opportunity.
How about 35 years between buying the gun, putting six rounds in the chamber, putting it on the bed table and then using it to kill an intruder. The 68 year old gun owner wasn’t exactly fit and didn’t go to the range. How’d he do it? According to the article:
“I don’t know what else to call it, just instinct,” he said. “I’ve had the gun sitting on my night stand for years, loaded. I didn’t want to shoot anybody. I was hoping I’d never have to use it.”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2102254/posts?page=64
Adrenaline is a hell of a drug. Beyond that, what is your point?[/quote]
Mental preparation.
“I often wondered if I could pick it up and pull the trigger,” the shaken and emotional man said Thursday morning, hours after he gunned down an intruder in his basement apartment.
Imagining the engagement and how you will react greatly enhances one’s performance during the engagement. His statement implies he has spent a lot of time thinking about this, and it helps.
[quote]pwilliams wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Loose Tool wrote:
Professor X wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
I want to make clear the distinction between trained to use a gun and fitness. Those who lack even a minimal level of fitness whether through age, frailty or even sedentary habits, can still be very capable with a gun.
I was referring to both. Ask a lot of gun owners how many tactical pistol/shotgun/rifle classes they’ve taken. crickets
Also, while we can debate how “in shape” someone has to be, in the scenario that started this thread, some obese average looking guy with a .38 who gets winded getting out of bed is not going to be as much of a hero as he probably thinks he will be.
I think some of you underestimate just how weakly prepared for much of anything most people are.
Everyone sees themselves as an action hero before the shit goes down. I have the opinion that very few are truly ready for action when it pops off even if they did attend a gun range back in 1997 and talk about guns at every given opportunity.
How about 35 years between buying the gun, putting six rounds in the chamber, putting it on the bed table and then using it to kill an intruder. The 68 year old gun owner wasn’t exactly fit and didn’t go to the range. How’d he do it? According to the article:
“I don’t know what else to call it, just instinct,” he said. “I’ve had the gun sitting on my night stand for years, loaded. I didn’t want to shoot anybody. I was hoping I’d never have to use it.”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2102254/posts?page=64
Adrenaline is a hell of a drug. Beyond that, what is your point?
Mental preparation.
“I often wondered if I could pick it up and pull the trigger,” the shaken and emotional man said Thursday morning, hours after he gunned down an intruder in his basement apartment.
Imagining the engagement and how you will react greatly enhances one’s performance during the engagement. His statement implies he has spent a lot of time thinking about this, and it helps.[/quote]
That probably means that I would be an excellent ax murderer.
[quote]orion wrote:
pwilliams wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Loose Tool wrote:
Professor X wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
I want to make clear the distinction between trained to use a gun and fitness. Those who lack even a minimal level of fitness whether through age, frailty or even sedentary habits, can still be very capable with a gun.
I was referring to both. Ask a lot of gun owners how many tactical pistol/shotgun/rifle classes they’ve taken. crickets
Also, while we can debate how “in shape” someone has to be, in the scenario that started this thread, some obese average looking guy with a .38 who gets winded getting out of bed is not going to be as much of a hero as he probably thinks he will be.
I think some of you underestimate just how weakly prepared for much of anything most people are.
Everyone sees themselves as an action hero before the shit goes down. I have the opinion that very few are truly ready for action when it pops off even if they did attend a gun range back in 1997 and talk about guns at every given opportunity.
How about 35 years between buying the gun, putting six rounds in the chamber, putting it on the bed table and then using it to kill an intruder. The 68 year old gun owner wasn’t exactly fit and didn’t go to the range. How’d he do it? According to the article:
“I don’t know what else to call it, just instinct,” he said. “I’ve had the gun sitting on my night stand for years, loaded. I didn’t want to shoot anybody. I was hoping I’d never have to use it.”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2102254/posts?page=64
Adrenaline is a hell of a drug. Beyond that, what is your point?
Mental preparation.
“I often wondered if I could pick it up and pull the trigger,” the shaken and emotional man said Thursday morning, hours after he gunned down an intruder in his basement apartment.
Imagining the engagement and how you will react greatly enhances one’s performance during the engagement. His statement implies he has spent a lot of time thinking about this, and it helps.
That probably means that I would be an excellent ax murderer.
[/quote]
That’s nice.
[quote]pwilliams wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Loose Tool wrote:
Professor X wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
I want to make clear the distinction between trained to use a gun and fitness. Those who lack even a minimal level of fitness whether through age, frailty or even sedentary habits, can still be very capable with a gun.
I was referring to both. Ask a lot of gun owners how many tactical pistol/shotgun/rifle classes they’ve taken. crickets
Also, while we can debate how “in shape” someone has to be, in the scenario that started this thread, some obese average looking guy with a .38 who gets winded getting out of bed is not going to be as much of a hero as he probably thinks he will be.
I think some of you underestimate just how weakly prepared for much of anything most people are.
Everyone sees themselves as an action hero before the shit goes down. I have the opinion that very few are truly ready for action when it pops off even if they did attend a gun range back in 1997 and talk about guns at every given opportunity.
How about 35 years between buying the gun, putting six rounds in the chamber, putting it on the bed table and then using it to kill an intruder. The 68 year old gun owner wasn’t exactly fit and didn’t go to the range. How’d he do it? According to the article:
“I don’t know what else to call it, just instinct,” he said. “I’ve had the gun sitting on my night stand for years, loaded. I didn’t want to shoot anybody. I was hoping I’d never have to use it.”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2102254/posts?page=64
Adrenaline is a hell of a drug. Beyond that, what is your point?
Mental preparation.
“I often wondered if I could pick it up and pull the trigger,” the shaken and emotional man said Thursday morning, hours after he gunned down an intruder in his basement apartment.
Imagining the engagement and how you will react greatly enhances one’s performance during the engagement. His statement implies he has spent a lot of time thinking about this, and it helps.[/quote]
Though not recommended, defense with a gun can be accomplished with no fitness or training, just mindset.
[quote]pwilliams wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Loose Tool wrote:
Professor X wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
I want to make clear the distinction between trained to use a gun and fitness. Those who lack even a minimal level of fitness whether through age, frailty or even sedentary habits, can still be very capable with a gun.
I was referring to both. Ask a lot of gun owners how many tactical pistol/shotgun/rifle classes they’ve taken. crickets
Also, while we can debate how “in shape” someone has to be, in the scenario that started this thread, some obese average looking guy with a .38 who gets winded getting out of bed is not going to be as much of a hero as he probably thinks he will be.
I think some of you underestimate just how weakly prepared for much of anything most people are.
Everyone sees themselves as an action hero before the shit goes down. I have the opinion that very few are truly ready for action when it pops off even if they did attend a gun range back in 1997 and talk about guns at every given opportunity.
How about 35 years between buying the gun, putting six rounds in the chamber, putting it on the bed table and then using it to kill an intruder. The 68 year old gun owner wasn’t exactly fit and didn’t go to the range. How’d he do it? According to the article:
“I don’t know what else to call it, just instinct,” he said. “I’ve had the gun sitting on my night stand for years, loaded. I didn’t want to shoot anybody. I was hoping I’d never have to use it.”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2102254/posts?page=64
Adrenaline is a hell of a drug. Beyond that, what is your point?
Mental preparation.
“I often wondered if I could pick it up and pull the trigger,” the shaken and emotional man said Thursday morning, hours after he gunned down an intruder in his basement apartment.
Imagining the engagement and how you will react greatly enhances one’s performance during the engagement. His statement implies he has spent a lot of time thinking about this, and it helps.[/quote]
Gee, he also GOT LUCKY. Would you be posting this if he accidentally shot himself in the foot? Great story. Unless you are claiming MOST PEOPLE can go without even semi-regular training and make perfect shots whenever truly necessary, please find something else to support the idea that people don’t need to be current with any gun training.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Gee, he also GOT LUCKY. Would you be posting this if he accidentally shot himself in the foot? Great story. Unless you are claiming MOST PEOPLE can go without even semi-regular training and make perfect shots whenever truly necessary, please find something else to support the idea that people don’t need to be current with any gun training.[/quote]
Luck had nothing to do with it. Some jackass comes through his window, he pulls a simple double action revolver out of a nightstand, points it at the guy at close range, pulls the trigger 4 times and makes multiple hits. The situation was a simple as it could be. Close range with a handily placed point and click gun and no innocent bystanders to worry about. No brainer.
It is a great story. And no one is advocating not training with their chosen weapon. The ones who really need training are the gang bangers who spray a crowded city street or a house and end up killing little kids instead of other gang bangers.
Perhaps you should open a range there in Houston?
[quote]pwilliams wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Gee, he also GOT LUCKY. Would you be posting this if he accidentally shot himself in the foot? Great story. Unless you are claiming MOST PEOPLE can go without even semi-regular training and make perfect shots whenever truly necessary, please find something else to support the idea that people don’t need to be current with any gun training.
Luck had nothing to do with it. Some jackass comes through his window, he pulls a simple double action revolver out of a nightstand, points it at the guy at close range, pulls the trigger 4 times and makes multiple hits.
The situation was a simple as it could be. Close range with a handily placed point and click gun and no innocent bystanders to worry about. No brainer.
It is a great story. And no one is advocating not training with their chosen weapon. The ones who really need training are the gang bangers who spray a crowded city street or a house and end up killing little kids instead of other gang bangers.
Perhaps you should open a range there in Houston?[/quote]
May 14-15
Zero to Five Feet - Pistol Gun Fighting - Houston
I’m there.
http://www.suarezinternationalstore.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=567
[quote]pwilliams wrote:
Perhaps you should open a range there in Houston?[/quote]
It’s called “my uncle’s country house”. I think their closest neighbor is 3 miles away or more.
Shhhhhhhh.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
pwilliams wrote:
Perhaps you should open a range there in Houston?
It’s called “my uncle’s country house”. I think their closest neighbor is 3 miles away or more.
Shhhhhhhh.[/quote]
That’s the best type of gun range: the one where you can shoot whatever you want. Out here, we have something similar, though it involves a plane and a dry lake bed.
[quote]pwilliams wrote:
orion wrote:
pwilliams wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Loose Tool wrote:
Professor X wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
I want to make clear the distinction between trained to use a gun and fitness. Those who lack even a minimal level of fitness whether through age, frailty or even sedentary habits, can still be very capable with a gun.
I was referring to both. Ask a lot of gun owners how many tactical pistol/shotgun/rifle classes they’ve taken. crickets
Also, while we can debate how “in shape” someone has to be, in the scenario that started this thread, some obese average looking guy with a .38 who gets winded getting out of bed is not going to be as much of a hero as he probably thinks he will be.
I think some of you underestimate just how weakly prepared for much of anything most people are.
Everyone sees themselves as an action hero before the shit goes down. I have the opinion that very few are truly ready for action when it pops off even if they did attend a gun range back in 1997 and talk about guns at every given opportunity.
How about 35 years between buying the gun, putting six rounds in the chamber, putting it on the bed table and then using it to kill an intruder. The 68 year old gun owner wasn’t exactly fit and didn’t go to the range. How’d he do it? According to the article:
“I don’t know what else to call it, just instinct,” he said. “I’ve had the gun sitting on my night stand for years, loaded. I didn’t want to shoot anybody. I was hoping I’d never have to use it.”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2102254/posts?page=64
Adrenaline is a hell of a drug. Beyond that, what is your point?
Mental preparation.
“I often wondered if I could pick it up and pull the trigger,” the shaken and emotional man said Thursday morning, hours after he gunned down an intruder in his basement apartment.
Imagining the engagement and how you will react greatly enhances one’s performance during the engagement. His statement implies he has spent a lot of time thinking about this, and it helps.
That probably means that I would be an excellent ax murderer.
That’s nice.[/quote]
Hey, I am also, like, totally, prepared for the Zombiecalypse…
[quote]orion wrote:
Hey, I am also, like, totally, prepared for the Zombiecalypse…
[/quote]
Excellent, since the Zombiecalypse is foretold to begin in Austria.
Reports of homeonwners defending successfully defending their property from intruders with the use of deadly force seem to be on the rise. Either that, or I am paying more attention to them.
I don’t see the failed attempts. You know, where the untrained, unfit old woman gets her shit blown away because she was too weak and ignorant to point the gun and pull the trigger?
Where are those stories?
[quote]pwilliams wrote:
orion wrote:
Hey, I am also, like, totally, prepared for the Zombiecalypse…
Excellent, since the Zombiecalypse is foretold to begin in Austria.[/quote]
When I look out of the window it might already have started.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Reports of homeonwners defending successfully defending their property from intruders with the use of deadly force seem to be on the rise. Either that, or I am paying more attention to them.
I don’t see the failed attempts. You know, where the untrained, unfit old woman gets her shit blown away because she was too weak and ignorant to point the gun and pull the trigger?
Where are those stories?
[/quote]
We had a huge discussion about a year ago about police busting down the doors of an 80 year old woman’s house (who they thought was a drug dealer) who had a gun. The results were…unfavorable.
I am not against guns at all but let’s not pretend as if all of these instances result in “criminal killed and innocent person saved”.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Reports of homeonwners defending successfully defending their property from intruders with the use of deadly force seem to be on the rise. Either that, or I am paying more attention to them.
I don’t see the failed attempts. You know, where the untrained, unfit old woman gets her shit blown away because she was too weak and ignorant to point the gun and pull the trigger?
Where are those stories?
We had a huge discussion about a year ago about police busting down the doors of an 80 year old woman’s house (who they thought was a drug dealer) who had a gun. The results were…unfavorable.
I am not against guns at all but let’s not pretend as if all of these instances result in “criminal killed and innocent person saved”.[/quote]
Well, I can tell you for a fact that if they tighten up gun laws any further, there won’t be ANY instances of “criminal killed and innocent person saved”.
Gun control, or a total lack thereof, could serve as a wonderful tool in the de-murking of our gene pool.