When Would You Take Steroids?

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There was this documentary about kids here in Germany using gear…

Fuck me, those dudes looked like totally average people who had never even seen a gym in their life.

A few highlights:

-2 of the guys (looked to be 150-160, no muscle and a little fat… Average person kind of) sitting somewhere with 2 girls… One girl gets asked what she thinks of the guys training etc… “Well, I think they’re already too big, really,…”

-One actually had a container of no-explode sitting in a cupboard (not kidding here, I laughed my ass off when I saw that…)

-One passed out from insulin use.
It was the insulin’s fault of course, not his.
I mean, never mind that he kind of forgot the “needs lots of carbs/protein” to act on" part.

-Some fat kid tried all kinds of shit, got depressions and whatnot (hmm. Guess they were due to steroid use, and not due to him being fat and a complete loner? Then again, I suppose they really could have been caused by whatever insane mix he injected into himself)
… And made ZERO PROGRESS in the gym!
Whoa!
You can use lots of gear and… Make no progress at all… Imagine that!
Maybe there really is more to this game than chemical warfare…

-According to the producers, some insane (don’t remember how many exactly) number of kids in the gyms in Germany use gear (then again, they consider protein-powder to be a type of steroid…).

What the heck? Are steroids the new pot? The new heroin? Is youtube the cause for the mental degeneration going on here?

Questions, questions…

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
lloydk wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:

You could just take a look at your diet, training, rest etc and see if that ain’t the reason, could you? Won’t even be illegal… Just saying.

This point is irrelevant. I’m looking at it from a non-bodybuilder point of view. If someone has regular gym experience, but is an on/off trainer, and want to boost their progress for the summer season, then what’s the problem? The diet might be sound, the train and rest could be spot on, but so what? Maybe the gains aren’t fast enough and they want a boost?

In a perfect world, grown men and women should be able to do whatever the hell they want to do to their bodies as long as they accept responsibility for the outcome.

However, in a world filled with ideals and people who do train hard, any jackass who trains “off/on” should be slapped for even thinking the word “steroids”.

In the world we currently live in, people do not accept responsibility for their actions and every dumber than average kid who barely broke the 18 year old line drawn in the sand can damage everything all of the way down to legislation for hormone replacement therapy every single time they fuck up.

Dumb people are holding back medical science as far as these drugs are concerned. I would hope more dumb people wouldn’t be making excuses for them.[/quote]

I do agree with what you said. But really, saying “Don’t do it” is not going to stop these people is it mate? There is always someone who just has to do something. The only way to lessen the damage, in my opinion, is sound advice and proper education. When it comes to legislation and that stuff, that is down to a fucked up system rather than individuals fucking up.

As for on/off trainers, I can’t agree with that however. I can understand if someone does not want to train constantly. If everyone trained constantly, or did things like we do, in all honesty I’d feel less… special?

[quote]Question for you…would you do a cycle if the results lasted for the summer, and people easily recognized the results, but when you went off cycle you lost most or all the gains? Honest question, not trying to be an ass.
I don’t know shit about steroids BTW. [/quote]

I’d probably feel crap about losing any gains, but I’m pretty sure gains are lost, not taken away. You could keep some, and keep training, but if you wanted to be bigger for summer quicker, then it’s no big deal.

It’s the way the world works. People don’t get in shape for winter, and people get their first gym membership for summer. That is the rule, not the exception.

Don’t get me wrong though, I’m not encouraging a rushed and potentially unsafe cycle. Rather the opposite. If you choose not to give someone advice, they will still do the cycle. If you tell them not to do it, they will still do the cycle. If they do the cycle, with harmful results, this in turn will not benefit us. When we fuck these guys off, they fuck up, and then they’re in the paper causing a shit storm, and it’s us who will lose out. Supplement by supplement.

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[quote]lloydk wrote:

I do agree with what you said. But really, saying “Don’t do it” is not going to stop these people is it mate? [/quote]

Dumb people who want everything NOW usually don’t listen. They are also LEAST likely to ever be so developed to actually impress someone on a national stage. How many of these guys look impressive before they start asking about these hormones?

Would you like to place bets on them still being less than impressive years from now after a few “drug cycles”?

This isn’t about forcing people to stop being dumb or about making sure no one goes down that route. This is simply a discussion and you are the one who seems to be arguing for the use of steroids for weekend warriors who train off/on and aren’t very serious.

That has to be the dumbest move yet for any weight lifter…half assing their training and blindly injecting drugs? What a winner.

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[quote]lloydk wrote:
Don’t get me wrong though, I’m not encouraging a rushed and potentially unsafe cycle. Rather the opposite. If you choose not to give someone advice, they will still do the cycle. If you tell them not to do it, they will still do the cycle. If they do the cycle, with harmful results, this in turn will not benefit us. When we fuck these guys off, they fuck up, and then they’re in the paper causing a shit storm, and it’s us who will lose out. Supplement by supplement.
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That’s why we’re saying “TRAINING AND DIET”… Could you honestly suggest a cycle to some teenager who hardly even trains… And sleep at night?

It’s enough of an issue if they are caught using… Of course them fucking up royally (like the insulin-guy I mentioned above) is sort of even worse… But a “99.248% of sub-18 year olds are on steroids! Yes, even your little 2-year old probably does test without telling you! Mothers beware…”- Headline in the newspapers usually causes enough outrage that the politicians are forced to “act”.

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I’m not suggesting this. I’m talking about someone who has obviously trained and knows about diet. I’m not talking about some 17 year old kid who thinks he can juice up on the weekend and magic up some muscles.

I’m going to have to stand by what I’ve said. If someone is an adult (21), knows about training and eating, and knows enough to run a safe and effective cycle, then power to them. We have been derailed a little, but this was the point of my initial post.

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[quote]Invictica wrote:
Just gonna play devil’s advocate here.

What if you are knowledgeble about diet, training, recovery, and PCT. However, you were physically under developed (have not reached your genetic potential)

Would you still warrant the use of anabolics?

I mean, why spend 5 years attaining a goal naturally, when you can do the exact same thing in 3 with anabolics?(this is a gross over simplification but its an example). If your goal is just to look good and you are not competing in any tested federations, what’s the harm? (this is assuming you are knowledgable about the above mentioned).

Discuss[/quote]

lets put it this way,

once you start AAS its much like you are throwing your body into another round of puberty.

your body has to get used to different hormones and different levels of these hormones.
this is a very physically and emotionally taxing time on a person.
lets all think back to when we were early teens say ages 13-20
if your old enough and mature enough to accurately reflect on this time I think we can all agree this time frame was a shitstorm.

now here you are,no more than a couple years past that time, you have not recovered from it and you have not grown from that
but you are going to put yourself through this all over again.
different hormones and different amounts and your body will be like WTF are we doing here.
and when the body gets confused it shuts down until things return to normal.
problem is you have not given your body enough time to know whats normal and whats not. so it shuts down and says eff it im done.

now besides all that.
I know at 21 you like to think you know your body, fact is YOU DO NOT.
you have had less than a few years to get used to the body your in.
a few years to the human body is much like knowing someone for a couple of days and asking them to move in with you.

if you have a nasty reaction to a certain compound how will you know its a bad reaction or if its a normal one.
how do you know when you stop these drugs if your body is recovering or not.

truth of it is the effects of AAS are very dramatic and very powerful but they are very subtle at the same time.
you can very easy screw yourself up and not even know it.
this is why you have to know yourself before messing with things.

and on a side note I find it funny and actually quite stupid for someone to be so far against AAS for whatever reason. yet they spend literally 10s of thousands of dollars in supplements in only a few years trying to get that little extra edge.

this is a perfect example of how weak minded and idiotic that person is because they not only fell for marketing scams ( yes I said scams) but they also fell for the media hype of these powerful drugs.
these people are examples of mindless,dribbling sheep.
they have no knowledge but they think they do.
all they do is parrot information.
quite sad actually when people can not think for themselves

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what happened to Germany

you guys used to be so badass, barbarians even.

you guys waged war after war from before the middle ages to the 1940s

now look at you.

tsk.

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NEVER! because they are evil, evil drugs that kill young people. They will make your penis fall off, give you AIDS, bulgarian Mogwai flu, Russian liver cancer, and last but not least the dreaded Mexican “El Chupacabras” heart disease which causes your heart to explode at the sound of the roach coach’s a.k.a taco truck’s horn that plays the Mexican hat dance. Very bad. People that use steroids are bad. They make baby Jesus cry.

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[quote]G87 wrote:

You’re, like, the human equivalent of a loud, nasty fart. [/quote]

And you’re like diarhea, boring and shitty. Only the diarhea stops at some point, and you don’t.