When to go Equipped?

Training Powerlifting
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[quote]FarmerBrett wrote:
Gearing up will only “artificially” inflate your numbers.[/quote]

Yes and no…If I go into “gear whore” mode = lets say, wear my Metal Pro briefs and my metal ace suit together then yes, I would do this at a com to get as much weight as possible for that day. To display my ‘strength’.

During training I wear nothing or maybe a single ply set of briefs or a squat suit straps down. The support they offer allows me to use just a bit more weight than raw but I don’t get as beat up. This added weight on the bar translates to higher overall strength gains and I’m able to recover faster allowing for more training opportunities.

To the OP…go get yourself some single ply gear. Don’t get it ganster tight but get it so it fits well. Train in it. You’ll be pleased with your results. In my opinion there is no indicators of when you “need the stuff”.

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The answer is never, raw for life.

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[quote]UrbanSavage wrote:
The answer is never, raw for life. [/quote]

Sigh. Let’s see if we can intelligently address his question rather than starting yet another raw/gear debate. It’s old.

To the OP. If lifting raw complements your job and you enjoy what you’re doing, keep doing it. It’s not like the sport is going any where.

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During training I wear nothing or maybe a single ply set of briefs or a squat suit straps down. The support they offer allows me to use just a bit more weight than raw

Strengthdawg thats like me saying I get my training partner to pull up on the bar when I bench press so I can handle a little more weight!! The point is “you” aren’t handling that extra bit of weight the suit is. It doesn’t make any difference to your body just your ego. I would rather have my suitless, beltless 440lb squat than a 600lb equipped squat because I know it’s all me.

I’m with urbansavage raw for life.

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[quote]FarmerBrett wrote:
During training I wear nothing or maybe a single ply set of briefs or a squat suit straps down. The support they offer allows me to use just a bit more weight than raw

Strengthdawg thats like me saying I get my training partner to pull up on the bar when I bench press so I can handle a little more weight!! The point is “you” aren’t handling that extra bit of weight the suit is. It doesn’t make any difference to your body just your ego. I would rather have my suitless, beltless 440lb squat than a 600lb equipped squat because I know it’s all me.

I’m with urbansavage raw for life.[/quote]

You’re a hero.

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To the OP: It depends on your goals, if you want to compete geared then train geared, prepare how you plan to preform. Just like with anything else your only gonna get better at lifting with gear by training with gear. Now I personally like RAW better, but thats a debate for like 600 other threads. It comes down to what your personal preference is, are you a strength purist? or a numbers chaser?

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[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:

[quote]FarmerBrett wrote:
During training I wear nothing or maybe a single ply set of briefs or a squat suit straps down. The support they offer allows me to use just a bit more weight than raw

Strengthdawg thats like me saying I get my training partner to pull up on the bar when I bench press so I can handle a little more weight!! The point is “you” aren’t handling that extra bit of weight the suit is. It doesn’t make any difference to your body just your ego. I would rather have my suitless, beltless 440lb squat than a 600lb equipped squat because I know it’s all me.

I’m with urbansavage raw for life.[/quote]

You’re a self righteous prick.[/quote]

Fixed.

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[quote]FarmerBrett wrote:
I would rather have my suitless, beltless 440lb squat than a 600lb equipped squat because I know it’s all me.

I’m with urbansavage raw for life.[/quote]

Then I guess you run barefoot because the shoes aren’t “all you”, I guess your bicycle has one gear because gears are for wimps… lol…just jokin around with you.

Yeah raw is cool as shit. I get the whole ‘assistance’ thing but when I do lift in gear it’s still me just a little different. It’s a sport, to each is own. As in all sports the equipment changes. What’s funny to me is there is no ‘purist’ arguements in football, baseball for example.

I mean I NEVER hear something like "o yeah, the onlt reason you ran 1000 yds this season is because you are wearing ‘XXX’ shoes- or you broke the home run record because your using ‘XXX’ bat. IDK

As far as the EGO thing. Lifting in gear doesn’t pad my ego I know what I can lift in and out of gear. Maybe folks need to not worry so much about what other people do and enjoy our chosen sports as we chose.

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[quote]StrengthDawg wrote:

[quote]FarmerBrett wrote:
I would rather have my suitless, beltless 440lb squat than a 600lb equipped squat because I know it’s all me.

I’m with urbansavage raw for life.[/quote]

Then I guess you run barefoot because the shoes aren’t “all you”, I guess your bicycle has one gear because gears are for wimps… lol…just jokin around with you.

Yeah raw is cool as shit. I get the whole ‘assistance’ thing but when I do lift in gear it’s still me just a little different. It’s a sport, to each is own. As in all sports the equipment changes. What’s funny to me is there is no ‘purist’ arguements in football, baseball for example.

I mean I NEVER hear something like "o yeah, the onlt reason you ran 1000 yds this season is because you are wearing ‘XXX’ shoes- or you broke the home run record because your using ‘XXX’ bat. IDK

As far as the EGO thing. Lifting in gear doesn’t pad my ego I know what I can lift in and out of gear. Maybe folks need to not worry so much about what other people do and enjoy our chosen sports as we chose.
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I’m not sure why this sort of thing inevitably devolves into a dick measuring gear vs. raw thing. I lift single ply geared but am not so insecure about it that I demand everyone else lifts the same. Presumably, we are competing on a (more or less) even playing field within our federation.

Each ‘discipline’ (raw or geared) has its’ own challenges and advantages and deserves respect. The constant sniping from any camp, comes across as originating from a bunch of insecure, cry baby bitches. Pick what you want to do, how to do it and do it to the best of your abilities.

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[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:

[quote]StrengthDawg wrote:

[quote]FarmerBrett wrote:
I would rather have my suitless, beltless 440lb squat than a 600lb equipped squat because I know it’s all me.

I’m with urbansavage raw for life.[/quote]

Then I guess you run barefoot because the shoes aren’t “all you”, I guess your bicycle has one gear because gears are for wimps… lol…just jokin around with you.

Yeah raw is cool as shit. I get the whole ‘assistance’ thing but when I do lift in gear it’s still me just a little different. It’s a sport, to each is own. As in all sports the equipment changes. What’s funny to me is there is no ‘purist’ arguements in football, baseball for example.

I mean I NEVER hear something like "o yeah, the onlt reason you ran 1000 yds this season is because you are wearing ‘XXX’ shoes- or you broke the home run record because your using ‘XXX’ bat. IDK

As far as the EGO thing. Lifting in gear doesn’t pad my ego I know what I can lift in and out of gear. Maybe folks need to not worry so much about what other people do and enjoy our chosen sports as we chose.
[/quote]

I’m not sure why this sort of thing inevitably devolves into a dick measuring gear vs. raw thing. I lift single ply geared but am not so insecure about it that I demand everyone else lifts the same. Presumably, we are competing on a (more or less) even playing field within our federation.

Each ‘discipline’ (raw or geared) has its’ own challenges and advantages and deserves respect. The constant sniping from any camp, comes across as originating from a bunch of insecure, cry baby bitches. Pick what you want to do, how to do it and do it to the best of your abilities.[/quote]

QFT

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You’re planning on competing in equipment one day, so get the equipment and start learning how to use it.

Don’t go nuts, don’t massively disrupt your training. Just throw on your suit and shirt once a week, get a feel for it and try to break down what you need to do to use it properly. Don’t BS yourself, and if you just don’t know what is “good”, at least tape it and show it to people who do.

And don’t just start piling on weight on the bar. If you need more weight than your max to use it, just add 10-20lbs each week and keep everything controlled.

Most people aren’t great with equipment. If you start early and actually do things in cool and controlled fashion and actually think about it instead of going HULK SMASH!, then you can avoid this. It will save you time and grief in the long run. It may slow your raw progress, but it’s not going to make it stall so long as you’re smart about how and why you’re using equipment.

Long story short: If you haven’t already, get some wraps for your knees and wrists and a good belt. Get a snug fitting F6 and Centurian. The F6 won’t last forever, but the Centurian should last a few years. Use the shirt and suit sparingly, and don’t be a dumbass with them.

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[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:

[quote]StrengthDawg wrote:

[quote]FarmerBrett wrote:
I would rather have my suitless, beltless 440lb squat than a 600lb equipped squat because I know it’s all me.

I’m with urbansavage raw for life.[/quote]

Then I guess you run barefoot because the shoes aren’t “all you”, I guess your bicycle has one gear because gears are for wimps… lol…just jokin around with you.

Yeah raw is cool as shit. I get the whole ‘assistance’ thing but when I do lift in gear it’s still me just a little different. It’s a sport, to each is own. As in all sports the equipment changes. What’s funny to me is there is no ‘purist’ arguements in football, baseball for example.

I mean I NEVER hear something like "o yeah, the onlt reason you ran 1000 yds this season is because you are wearing ‘XXX’ shoes- or you broke the home run record because your using ‘XXX’ bat. IDK

As far as the EGO thing. Lifting in gear doesn’t pad my ego I know what I can lift in and out of gear. Maybe folks need to not worry so much about what other people do and enjoy our chosen sports as we chose.
[/quote]

I’m not sure why this sort of thing inevitably devolves into a dick measuring gear vs. raw thing. I lift single ply geared but am not so insecure about it that I demand everyone else lifts the same. Presumably, we are competing on a (more or less) even playing field within our federation.

Each ‘discipline’ (raw or geared) has its’ own challenges and advantages and deserves respect. The constant sniping from any camp, comes across as originating from a bunch of insecure, cry baby bitches. Pick what you want to do, how to do it and do it to the best of your abilities.[/quote]

So what’s your beef with me? My comment was for farmerjack- no dick waving…not arguing geared vs raw just adding a different perspective on things. WTF dude.

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[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:

[quote]StrengthDawg wrote:

[quote]FarmerBrett wrote:
I would rather have my suitless, beltless 440lb squat than a 600lb equipped squat because I know it’s all me.

I’m with urbansavage raw for life.[/quote]

Then I guess you run barefoot because the shoes aren’t “all you”, I guess your bicycle has one gear because gears are for wimps… lol…just jokin around with you.

Yeah raw is cool as shit. I get the whole ‘assistance’ thing but when I do lift in gear it’s still me just a little different. It’s a sport, to each is own. As in all sports the equipment changes. What’s funny to me is there is no ‘purist’ arguements in football, baseball for example.

I mean I NEVER hear something like "o yeah, the onlt reason you ran 1000 yds this season is because you are wearing ‘XXX’ shoes- or you broke the home run record because your using ‘XXX’ bat. IDK

As far as the EGO thing. Lifting in gear doesn’t pad my ego I know what I can lift in and out of gear. Maybe folks need to not worry so much about what other people do and enjoy our chosen sports as we chose.
[/quote]

I’m not sure why this sort of thing inevitably devolves into a dick measuring gear vs. raw thing. I lift single ply geared but am not so insecure about it that I demand everyone else lifts the same. Presumably, we are competing on a (more or less) even playing field within our federation.

Each ‘discipline’ (raw or geared) has its’ own challenges and advantages and deserves respect. The constant sniping from any camp, comes across as originating from a bunch of insecure, cry baby bitches. Pick what you want to do, how to do it and do it to the best of your abilities.[/quote]

These threads always turn into dick waving contests because self-important raw twats come in and throw their two cents in. OP asked when to get into gear, not if he should get into gear, and there were still two fucks on here to run their mouths off about how gear does the lifting for you, but not them, because they’re RAAWWWWW, and thus, more awesome than everyone who lifts in gear.

For fucks sake. It’s never someone in gear bitching about people who lift raw.

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[quote]StrengthDawg wrote:

[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:

[quote]StrengthDawg wrote:

[quote]FarmerBrett wrote:
I would rather have my suitless, beltless 440lb squat than a 600lb equipped squat because I know it’s all me.

I’m with urbansavage raw for life.[/quote]

Then I guess you run barefoot because the shoes aren’t “all you”, I guess your bicycle has one gear because gears are for wimps… lol…just jokin around with you.

Yeah raw is cool as shit. I get the whole ‘assistance’ thing but when I do lift in gear it’s still me just a little different. It’s a sport, to each is own. As in all sports the equipment changes. What’s funny to me is there is no ‘purist’ arguements in football, baseball for example.

I mean I NEVER hear something like "o yeah, the onlt reason you ran 1000 yds this season is because you are wearing ‘XXX’ shoes- or you broke the home run record because your using ‘XXX’ bat. IDK

As far as the EGO thing. Lifting in gear doesn’t pad my ego I know what I can lift in and out of gear. Maybe folks need to not worry so much about what other people do and enjoy our chosen sports as we chose.
[/quote]

I’m not sure why this sort of thing inevitably devolves into a dick measuring gear vs. raw thing. I lift single ply geared but am not so insecure about it that I demand everyone else lifts the same. Presumably, we are competing on a (more or less) even playing field within our federation.

Each ‘discipline’ (raw or geared) has its’ own challenges and advantages and deserves respect. The constant sniping from any camp, comes across as originating from a bunch of insecure, cry baby bitches. Pick what you want to do, how to do it and do it to the best of your abilities.[/quote]

So what’s your beef with me? My comment was for farmerjack- no dick waving…not arguing geared vs raw just adding a different perspective on things. So you write “raw for life” yet you now admit you lift in gear and give me shit for it? WTF dude.
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Sorry, my beef isn’t with you. I quoted you because I like what you wrote. I never wrote raw for life. Too much nesting of quotes I guess :slight_smile: My beef is with anyone that that gets all over wrought about another way of lifting. For whatever reason, in this thread, it’s coming across as the raw guys who are of no help to the OP looking for guidance on gear.

btw, I’m a woman.

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[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:

[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:

[quote]StrengthDawg wrote:

[quote]FarmerBrett wrote:
I would rather have my suitless, beltless 440lb squat than a 600lb equipped squat because I know it’s all me.

I’m with urbansavage raw for life.[/quote]

Then I guess you run barefoot because the shoes aren’t “all you”, I guess your bicycle has one gear because gears are for wimps… lol…just jokin around with you.

Yeah raw is cool as shit. I get the whole ‘assistance’ thing but when I do lift in gear it’s still me just a little different. It’s a sport, to each is own. As in all sports the equipment changes. What’s funny to me is there is no ‘purist’ arguements in football, baseball for example.

I mean I NEVER hear something like "o yeah, the onlt reason you ran 1000 yds this season is because you are wearing ‘XXX’ shoes- or you broke the home run record because your using ‘XXX’ bat. IDK

As far as the EGO thing. Lifting in gear doesn’t pad my ego I know what I can lift in and out of gear. Maybe folks need to not worry so much about what other people do and enjoy our chosen sports as we chose.
[/quote]

I’m not sure why this sort of thing inevitably devolves into a dick measuring gear vs. raw thing. I lift single ply geared but am not so insecure about it that I demand everyone else lifts the same. Presumably, we are competing on a (more or less) even playing field within our federation.

Each ‘discipline’ (raw or geared) has its’ own challenges and advantages and deserves respect. The constant sniping from any camp, comes across as originating from a bunch of insecure, cry baby bitches. Pick what you want to do, how to do it and do it to the best of your abilities.[/quote]

These threads always turn into dick waving contests because self-important raw twats come in and throw their two cents in. OP asked when to get into gear, not if he should get into gear, and there were still two fucks on here to run their mouths off about how gear does the lifting for you, but not them, because they’re RAAWWWWW, and thus, more awesome than everyone who lifts in gear.

For fucks sake. It’s never someone in gear bitching about people who lift raw.

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In this thread sure. My beef was it turning into that discussion at all. Again. It’s endless.

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[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:

Sorry, my beef isn’t with you. I quoted you because I like what you wrote. I never wrote raw for life. Too much nesting of quotes I guess :slight_smile:
btw, I’m a woman.[/quote]

Ok I got ya…yeah I gopt you confused with someone else…i edited my post but too late.

powerlifter ladies are awesome!! keep it up

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[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:

[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:

[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:

[quote]StrengthDawg wrote:

[quote]FarmerBrett wrote:
I would rather have my suitless, beltless 440lb squat than a 600lb equipped squat because I know it’s all me.

I’m with urbansavage raw for life.[/quote]

Then I guess you run barefoot because the shoes aren’t “all you”, I guess your bicycle has one gear because gears are for wimps… lol…just jokin around with you.

Yeah raw is cool as shit. I get the whole ‘assistance’ thing but when I do lift in gear it’s still me just a little different. It’s a sport, to each is own. As in all sports the equipment changes. What’s funny to me is there is no ‘purist’ arguements in football, baseball for example.

I mean I NEVER hear something like "o yeah, the onlt reason you ran 1000 yds this season is because you are wearing ‘XXX’ shoes- or you broke the home run record because your using ‘XXX’ bat. IDK

As far as the EGO thing. Lifting in gear doesn’t pad my ego I know what I can lift in and out of gear. Maybe folks need to not worry so much about what other people do and enjoy our chosen sports as we chose.
[/quote]

I’m not sure why this sort of thing inevitably devolves into a dick measuring gear vs. raw thing. I lift single ply geared but am not so insecure about it that I demand everyone else lifts the same. Presumably, we are competing on a (more or less) even playing field within our federation.

Each ‘discipline’ (raw or geared) has its’ own challenges and advantages and deserves respect. The constant sniping from any camp, comes across as originating from a bunch of insecure, cry baby bitches. Pick what you want to do, how to do it and do it to the best of your abilities.[/quote]

These threads always turn into dick waving contests because self-important raw twats come in and throw their two cents in. OP asked when to get into gear, not if he should get into gear, and there were still two fucks on here to run their mouths off about how gear does the lifting for you, but not them, because they’re RAAWWWWW, and thus, more awesome than everyone who lifts in gear.

For fucks sake. It’s never someone in gear bitching about people who lift raw.

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In this thread sure. My beef was it turning into that discussion at all. Again. It’s endless.[/quote]

We’re on the same page. I think that’s EVERYONE’s beef (well, everyone who lifts in gear) is when there’s a thread about geared lifting and the raw guys come in and talk about how it’s cheating. It’s the same shit that’s been said a billion and a half fuckin’ times.

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Speaking of “cheating”… is it you rrjc who trains at the gym of Team Super training? if so have you tried one of those slingshots? And if so what do you think about it?

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I answered the OP straight up as to when in his lifting career he should start lifting in gear, never.

Honestly, put it off as long as you can. Unless your raw numbers have gotten to where you feel that gear could bring you to elite level, then keep lifting raw. Otherwise, there’s NO point whatsoever. All that has happened with the OP is that he has gotten stronger, thus progress begins to come slower and slower than before and for some reason he thinks he’s approaching a point where he will no longer make progress lifting raw. This isn’t true. Getting into lifting in gear too soon will seriously stall your progress and there’s just no reason for it.

The way I see it is that all the raw training, competing, etc. that you do will be nothing but benefical for any geared lifting you end up doing, but once you jump into lifting in gear then your raw numbers will inevitably take a hit or their progress will halt, at the very least. It’s just pointless to get into lifting equipped unless you’re approaching elite level. It’ll compromise the amount of progress you make lifting raw, which really is the worst thing you can do if you’re thinking long term about your numbers in gear.

OP, unless your total is elite, no one cares about it but you. Lifting in gear can hurt your raw progress, so do you honestly see a point in lifting in gear right now? At least get to a point where your raw numbers turn some heads before you drop a bunch of cash and spend a ton of time learning how to effectively lift in gear when that time could be better spent increasing straight up strength.