Haha I really didnt think there was a good answer to this question. Turns out there is.
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And hard drugs are ingrained into Western society?
You could go to downtown Ottawa and see a lot of people who have made permanent asses out of themselves with drugs.
The thing that you don’t seem to understand is how addictive cocaine, meth, and opiods are. I never took any of that shit, but I have seen people smoke crack. They get high for about 2 minutes and next thing you know they want more, more, more. You cant even compare it to alcohol. You don’t have people staying up for days at a time drinking.
As for your argument that the price is the main issue, it’s true that the fact that these drugs are expensive contributes to the issues but there are places in the world where cocaine is very cheap and it’s still a huge problem. Look at Brazil, apparently they have the highest rate of crack addicts in the world. Those gangs that you hear about constantly killing each other and the police are mostly involved in drug trafficking. Al Capone was pretty peaceful compared to those guys.
Also another major issue is people overdosing on fentanyl and drugs laced with fentanyl. I don’t know what’s going on in Australia but over here that’s a big problem, every day people are overdosing. Even in this one suburb of Ottawa called Kanata last year there were a bunch of kids who OD’d, a few died. You can die from alcohol poisoning, but it requires a lot of alcohol. A tiny crumb of fentanyl can kill you.
Yes you do… you ever been to schoolies? But you’re right, perhaps I don’t understand the true extent of the addiction potential
I took opiates twice daily for about 4 months after I was put on prescription TRT, I quit cold turkey without any withdrawal symptoms. Holy shit edit: had a script for the opiates
I think we’re all perhaps overlooking the difference between acute and chronic additction.
You were probably on some low doses. The withdrawal is why a lot of people can’t quit, or they end up on methadone. I knew a guy who was real sick for a while and in the hospital they had him on oxycontin, when he got out he had a prescription but he couldn’t stand the way it made him feel so he decided to quit. He said he cried nonstop for like 2-3 days, puking, cold sweats, it felt like he was going to die.
Now somebody who has been taking way more than therapeutic doses for years would likely have an even worse time.
Low doses is debatable, I believe it was the equivalent of 20-30mg oxycodone per day… however that being said I wasn’t using to get high, I was using to control pain and live a normal life
There’s an interesting chart (not sure of the accuracy of such chart) that lists the dependence/harm potential of various drugs. The dependence potential tobacco is almost up there with cocaine… that i’d certainly believe, alcohol isn’t all that much lower
Regardless I’m still of the opinion alcohol is a highly addictive substance with great potential to induce harm. Perhaps not quite to the extent of cocaine (although in a one off scenario aside from the cardiovascular implications of cocaine… say one was to theoretically snort cocaine ONCE without compulsively redosing as is common with stims… this is a hypothetical… vs getting smashed, I’d say harm potential is about equal)
Regardless I wouldnt use coke anyway so I don’t know why I’m arguing about this lol. And yes, fentanyl is a big problem here too, I know two kids that took some fentanyl laced Xanax and had bad outcomes… didn’t die but not good outcomes regardless. I believe the LD for fentanyl is about five grains, though it’s dependent on genetics, metabolism weight and tolerance… but is a 5 vs 10 grain difference alll that much haha… carfentanyl is even worse, ONE grain induces fatal respiratory depression
Well, you start with the alcohol, then comes the coke and pretty soon you are shooting up the THC. Its a slippery slope.
I don’t know what the actual health effects of a single dose of coke would be, but the problem is that it doesn’t usually end up being a single dose. And crack is even worse, apparently because smoking it gets it into your bloodstream faster the effects are stronger but last only a couple minutes and it’s way more addictive.
I was given fentanyl at the hospital when I dislocated my shoulder. It put me to sleep, and when I woke up the way I felt was similar to if I had been smoking weed and drinking. Maybe some people like that, but risking your life for it just doesn’t make sense.
I just smoked a coffee bean.
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Yes you’re right, it’s never really a “single dose”
However with cocaine (actually alcohol too now that I think of it) there is the rare possibility of a single one off dose inducing lethal arrhythmia due to effect on sodium channels, calcium handling, catecholamine sensitivity etc. for a healthy man it’s very unlikely, though combine it with booze and it actually becomes a remote possibility (still unlikely, but it does happen), repeatedly use with frequency like many do and the chance becomes greater and greater
Hell look at Whitney Houston. She was addicted to crack/coke and died at age 49 from cardiac related ailment
Some are even more unlucky and drop in their 20s or 30s, there are a few reports of some extremely unlucky adolescents without medical history dropping from myocardial infarction due to alcohol intoxication… some like say ozzy ozbourne are genetic freaks and just get away with anything
I’ve also been given fentanyl, I could never understand why people would like this so much, aside from the neurological hardwiring for addiction/dependence, the feeling just isn’t that great
Yeah coke can cause seizures and all types of shit. Some people go crazy on that stuff too. Crystal meth is relatively new and I no longer live in a neighborhood full of junkies so I don’t know a whole lot about it really, but supposedly it’s even worse than crack. Except I hear the high last a lot longer, it’s just highly likely to make you go crazy.
Crystal meth (called shards here) is a huge problem within Australian society
The liberal government keeps trying to repeatedly clamp down on laws, penalties for those caught with it but honestly… it just appears to be making the issue worse
They need to do like the Phillipines and just kill a bunch of people. It really seems like that is the only way to stop it.
That’s not the way I view it at all, but each to their own. Drug addiction is still one of the top issues within the Philippines
Yeah I’m not really serious about that. But there isn’t really a simple solution.
Overdosing on nasal cocaine is actually quite difficult. The blood vessels contract because of alpha2 agonism and the body can’t absorb anymore of it. It’s self limiting
MDMA seems to be right up there with single dose intoxications, the “therapeutic” window is small and if an intoxication happens then all hell breaks loose. Ruptured blood vessels in the brain, malignant hyperthermia and all kinds of other shit that’s extremely hard to counteract medically.
Interesting… learn something new every day. Although can’t say I needed to learn that LOL
This is true, but most people can, and do, drink in moderation and don’t do this. You can have one or two drinks and be fine. There is no equivalent with drugs really. One or two lines is really not moderation. The possibility of addiction is astronomically higher than with alcohol as well. The only exception is that marijuana can be used moderately, but personally, I don’t like it either. I’ve been around too many people that use it and have no idea how it is still affecting them hours or even days later, but it’s obvious to everyone around them. Not always, but usually, at least with regard to frequent smokers. You can have one beer every night and no one would know the difference.
It’s been in Ontario for at least 20 years. I’m from near Hamilton, and I am very aware of how easy to get it is.