[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
In your opinion when is it child abuse? [/quote]
When is what child abuse?
The reason your question can’t be answered is the problem of kids being super fat goes far and wide beyond diet.
Feeding your kid white bread PB&J’s isn’t child abuse.
Having a 5 year old approaching 200lbs is a bad, bad thing. But it goes beyond WHAT they are eating.
It is just impossible to paint this problem with a wide brush.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
This is sort of a spinoff from the GAL forum.
at what point is what a parent feeds their kid (or not getting them active) child abuse?
Few would argue that feeding fast food to kids is child abuse, but I’ve never seen any frequency brought up by this idea.
Myself, while I find it “attention grabbing” to feel the above is abuse, topped with my strong disdain for the fast food industry, I wouldn’t label it as such, unless the frequency was a normal behavior, that’d be tough to pinpoint though.
However, would anyone here agree with me that feeding a kid food (lack of activity too) to where they develop a disease such as type 2 diabetes as child abuse? There’s a reason that it used to be called adult onset, but things are so out of hand now that it’s no longer called that. And it’s the food/activity that’s the problem, not genetics. [/quote]
Whats the difference between fast food and cafeteria school food?
How can we hold parents responsible but not the school systems that poison children?
If the way we eat is a cultural phenomenon how can we call it abuse?
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
In your opinion when is it child abuse? [/quote]
When is what child abuse?
The reason your question can’t be answered is the problem of kids being super fat goes far and wide beyond diet.
Feeding your kid white bread PB&J’s isn’t child abuse.
Having a 5 year old approaching 200lbs is a bad, bad thing. But it goes beyond WHAT they are eating.
It is just impossible to paint this problem with a wide brush. [/quote]
that’s all I was asking, damn man, might want to crush up some B/P meds in your oats or something
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
This is sort of a spinoff from the GAL forum.
at what point is what a parent feeds their kid (or not getting them active) child abuse?
Few would argue that feeding fast food to kids is child abuse, but I’ve never seen any frequency brought up by this idea.
Myself, while I find it “attention grabbing” to feel the above is abuse, topped with my strong disdain for the fast food industry, I wouldn’t label it as such, unless the frequency was a normal behavior, that’d be tough to pinpoint though.
However, would anyone here agree with me that feeding a kid food (lack of activity too) to where they develop a disease such as type 2 diabetes as child abuse? There’s a reason that it used to be called adult onset, but things are so out of hand now that it’s no longer called that. And it’s the food/activity that’s the problem, not genetics. [/quote]
Whats the difference between fast food and cafeteria school food?
How can we hold parents responsible but not the school systems that poison children?
If the way we eat is a cultural phenomenon how can we call it abuse?[/quote]
ahh, interesting point there
What constitutes child abuse I guess should first be defined.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
What constitutes child abuse I guess should first be defined.[/quote]
Knowingly harming one’s child either through direct action or by neglect.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]StevenF wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
You’re joking right?[/quote]
Do you have kids? If not, kindly piss off.
No, I’m not joking. [/quote]
Wow, how polite.
Yes I have kids. Two in fact. 14 and 6 months. And no, I don’t treat them like dogs.
EDIT: 14 years, and closer to 7 months now[/quote]
14?
And you are seriously claiming that a whistle and a leash do not sound like a good idea right now?
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]StevenF wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
You’re joking right?[/quote]
Do you have kids? If not, kindly piss off.
No, I’m not joking. [/quote]
Wow, how polite.
Yes I have kids. Two in fact. 14 and 6 months. And no, I don’t treat them like dogs.
EDIT: 14 years, and closer to 7 months now[/quote]
14?
And you are seriously claiming that a whistle and a leash do not sound like a good idea right now?[/quote]
haha. He is a great kid, I really can’t complain. But yeah, I’m scared, he could “turn teenager” any day now.
slap their shit and show them who’s boss
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]TigerTime wrote:
The food itself isn’t that great of quality, but the problem isn’t necessarily the food itself, it’s the over-eating.
A big-mac can’t give you diabetes if your BMI is 18.
[/quote]
Oh yes it can.
And those are the hardest to convince that they must change.
[/quote]
I don’t see how, unless the kid has a genetic predisposition to becoming diabetic.
[quote]TigerTime wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]TigerTime wrote:
The food itself isn’t that great of quality, but the problem isn’t necessarily the food itself, it’s the over-eating.
A big-mac can’t give you diabetes if your BMI is 18.
[/quote]
Oh yes it can.
And those are the hardest to convince that they must change.
[/quote]
I don’t see how, unless the kid has a genetic predisposition to becoming diabetic. [/quote]
20% of type 2 are not obese (IIRC)
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]TigerTime wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]TigerTime wrote:
The food itself isn’t that great of quality, but the problem isn’t necessarily the food itself, it’s the over-eating.
A big-mac can’t give you diabetes if your BMI is 18.
[/quote]
Oh yes it can.
And those are the hardest to convince that they must change.
[/quote]
I don’t see how, unless the kid has a genetic predisposition to becoming diabetic. [/quote]
20% of type 2 are not obese (IIRC)
[/quote]
Are these 20% also underweight? Remember I said BMI of 18.
Also, if someone who is not obese has high enough visceral fat levels to incite type 2 diabetes (especially while being under-weight) then they have a genetic predisposition to becoming diabetic.
Finally, these skinny-fat diabetics have pot-bellies. Therefore, a more accurate perspective on these people is that they are fat people who lack muscle mass and/or bone mass (most likely muscle mass) and normal body fat distribution, not normal people who happen to have diabetes.
to be fair, I’m not sure. I’m sure it’s very likely that they are indeed skinny fat, so in essence likely the same issues going on as someone that is fat to the eye.
Typically the truly lean don’t have insulin resistance issues.
[quote]StevenF wrote:
it makes me want to cry when I see obviously overweight kids. Their parents are setting them up for a very difficult life. Seems to be becoming a lot more common these days. I also agree with you in that kids should be fed the highest quality food possible. Just bribe them with the treats once in a while. [/quote]
Are you assuming that people can just as easily not be fat as they can be fat?