People should look at a documentary when steroids in the Olympics were first made extremely obvious and first became part of the public consciousness:
The East German WOMEN swimmers…
There was utter shock and disbelief at there appearance, voices, etc…as they proceeded to just crush every opponent in their path.
We have similar jobs and I agree with you about exercise physiology research. I did my master’s at a major research university while also starting out as an intern in their s&c program. There was almost no connection between the departments all. My thesis was one of many that was well funded by NIH but was focused on disease prevention, ageing and a number of other things that are applicable to the general population. Although research like this isn’t what you’d consider directly applicable to our field, it does teach one to look at data and statistics critically which I’ve found to be helpful.
Maybe in the future more applied sports science programs will begin to take shape.
Well, implicit in my post was the idea of phony research in a hard scientific field, not some crazy gender studies sociology field.
The article you posted shows exactly why he went through with the hoax–to show his field doesn’t have the same rigor as others.
Sokal’s hoax was amazing, and hopefully justice is served and he’s acquitted.
Yep
True, but I’ve never been a huge fan of Sheiko. Verkhoshansky on the other hand was amazing.
A fact that never ceases to amaze me.
Absolutely, and your story is a very common one. I don’t Think there’s anything bad about it, it is simply just frustrating to coaches is all. Which is, of course, understandable.
I think that with major research universities (not to mention a good mentor) the ability to look at statistics is absolutely key. This is something I had to refine on my own later, as my advanced degree was in structural biochemistry and biophysics, which is more directly measurable.
I have the same hope as you, but I am not sure how fast that will move. I feel that many areas in Europe are farther along this course than we are, because of the immense popularity of soccer and several universities having high-level programs for sports science. That doesn’t count the team scientists per se, just the research at university level. I do think we have excellent team scientists here.
If this is the case then what use is there in delaying the spread of the virus? Remember the original logic with “flattening the curve” was to prevent the medical system from being overwhelmed, this same lady was saying she expects 60-70% of the population to eventually be infected.
A lot of recent developments really do give the impression that there are some ulterior motives behind this.
He was the OG, the Isaac Newton of strength training. Zatsiorsky as well. I can’t comment on Sheiko’s programs because I’ve only flirted with powerlifting.
But thirty years after the dissolution of the CCCP former athletes such as Dmitry Klokov are still re-packaging and selling Soviet knowledge about strenght training to a worldwide audience…
@chris_ottawa The Swedish approach will ultimately be proven to be the correct course, IMO. Yes, they made a big mistake wrt the old people (like everybody else, including the asshole NY governor), but they ADMITTED IT -wow, imagine that.
Sheiko’s work is not really anything incredible, he took Russian weightlifting training methods and applied them to PL. His style of training obviously works, but it doesn’t appear to be significantly better than others and typically requires a lot more time in the gym. The fact that few of the top Russian lifters train in a similar method kind of says something.
It seems to me that Sheiko’s previous background as a WL coach is what led to him becoming so well known. He ran a government-funded PL training camp in Kazakhstan at one point and was also the head coach of the Russian team at IPF worlds. Basically he had the right sort of politics and background to get him a bunch of elite or potentially elite lifters to work with. I’m not dissing him or his methods, I just don’t think that is the best or most efficient way to train.
If there is no end in sight otherwise then there is no other course that doesn’t involve repeated lockdowns and drastic limits to freedom. One of the biggest problems is going to be the impact on kids, they won’t learn to socialize and interact with others because if they even go to school they will be wearing masks and following socialist distancing measures, there is going to be a lot of fucked up kids.
EDIT: They took the words right out of my mouth, the next headline I saw:
Not sure if pun intended, but yes.
I totally agree on the schooling aspect. The “reward” is real, but less than 0.6%; the “risk” is apparently vague, but very much a greater danger longer term IMO.
… just saw your new link, YEP.
Social media already took care of that.
True, but this will make it even worse.
It’s going to vary depending the situation. On one hand, there are some parents who are scared to death and won’t send their kids to school or anything. On the other hand, you have some places like the housing co-op around the corner from me where nobody seems to give a fuck and plenty of kids were playing in the park, on the play structures and swings, back when that could get you a $880 fine. Of course with no parents in sight. It might sound a bit dysfunctional, but I think it has a better chance of positive outcomes in the future.
It’s actually pretty crazy, some of the published data pertaining to the doping regiments (and results elicited) are up for public view. They gave women mestanolone (methyldihydrotestosterone)… alongside a cocktail of other drugs. I can’t think of a better way to irreversibly masculinise a woman.
Incredibly fucked up they were giving these drugs to oblivious children just to gain a leg up within the realm of competitive athletics, let alone to girls. Imagine if someone slipped supra-physiologic doses of estrogen into your morning cereal…
You nailed it. Verk and Zatsiorsky are still super relevant today (not to mention Zatsiorsky is still doing research).
… because it still works lol.
Considering the doping issues all of Oly lifting has, I don’t particularly dislike any of the Russians for getting caught, which is usually the black mark against them. Soooo many countries are in on it right now.
But really, the Russian system is absolutely amazing if one simply takes into account load capacity and recovery for the lifter instead of bad nutrition, grit-your-teeth through the months of pain, old school meat grinder training.
Still goes on today–witness Thailand being shut out od the Olympics for weightlifting due to their child doping scandal.
And whole Chinese squads having to drop out of competitions.
Sure they have a huge inventory of people and system for plugging children into suitable sports from early age. But designer drugs also.
We would too if lifting paid as well as baseball or football (see: BALCO - Conte, Victor)
I agree for the most part with hard science. But given how much air the inherently Marxist humanities have sucked the air out of the room with the ability to tell the truth. And not just tell the truth, but omitting even well done science that may be in the sphere of something else controversial.
I am thinking about Charles Murray’s work on IQ.
As controversial as the topic was, the referential science, in the narrow scope it was conducted, but as far as I can tell, solid. Not withstanding whether or not I agree with the methodology, it was consistent in what it was measuring and resulting performance on associated tasks.
However, it’s completely toxic, untouchable, to the point it would not be wise not to use it as a reference at any point.
My worry, therefore, is that if intersectionality has not yet influenced hard science, it will and necessary and productive science may be tossed on a heap it does not belong.
A lot of fucked up kids is my worry. At this point, I see science and health expertise playing no part in the actions of the government. It’s purely political. It’s designed to cause as much pain as possible.
The Constitution guaranteed our rights without exception even for a pandemic. The relentless, never ending trouncing of our rights by government and (more frighteningly) our willingness to give them up, scares me a lot.
Covid is bad, I think we all agree for the most part. But barring a literal death rate of up to 1 or more percent of the population, we shouldn’t be so willing to give up our civil rights. Event then, I think liberty is still too important to toss aside for un-guaranteed safety.
Then you have the stunning, unbelievable hypocrisy of some allowed to be able to practice their civil rights and beyond, for the fad ideology of the day, while requiring the rest of the population to comply or be arrested is Orwellian. “Everyone is equal, but some are more equal than others”.
I think a little civil disobedience to unconstitutional laws is more than warranted at this point.