"Knowledge of human physiology and drug metabolism is what beats drug testing. Steroids are training drugs, not competition drugs like modafinil or other stimulants. By adjusting an athlete’s training when on drugs and coming off, the body can continue performing at supraphysiologic levels.
The effects that androgens and peptide hormones have on skeletal muscle and on the central nervous system last long after the drugs are discontinued. An athlete can dope and still attain a world-class performance in competition and not test positive simply by implementing a well-designed training program and knowledge of drug clearance."
This was in today’s article, an excerpt from a previous article. I’ve always wondered when, not exactly, but approximately, certain chemicals stop exerting their effect upon those who use them. A few posters here have used the word “natural” when referring to times when they are not on, and yet I’ve always seen people disagree with this.
Does anyone have a take on this? I know that chemicals have half-lives in the body, but this quote is referring to even after the chemicals have stopped circulating in the blood (or so I think).
My take is that unless it has been a long time since you last injected (or taken a pill), relative to previous usage, such as 1 year off compared to 5 months “on”, then you can’t really claim to be natural during a time period. It’s almost ridiculous to me that someone would claim to be natural while clearly under the influence of steroids. It’s disillusioning to those who aren’t using and see these guys saying they’re natural.
Any takers? Sorry for the long post, avoiding some Comm. Theory work…
I’ll reply to part of this post. In certain posts I have distinguished differences in my diet and training for when I am on a cycle and when I am training naturally. I have never claimed that I am ‘natural’ during my off periods. My ‘off’ time heavily outweighs my ‘on’ time but I still would never claim natural status in bodybuilding competition terms. I think you are confusing when people claim they are lifetime natural or natural for a very long time (like someone who did a cycle at 20 years old but is now 32 having never used any other PEDs) and those who are trying show differences in some aspect of training when using PEDs or not.
The distinction needs to be made because very often people make significant changes to their routines and nutrition. I have had people ask me what my routine looked like last week. I knew the person was not using AAS. I didnt think it was right to give an example of my routine when using AAS without making it clear that AAS were part of the reason the workout looked the way it did. So I also told the person how I train when not using AAS. I labeled it as “this is my routine when I am training naturally”.
As far as effects goes. It’s different in every single person. It also differs in one person at different points in time. Someone who does a cycle to get from 6’ 175lbs to 6’ 200lbs will find that he may have a hard time holding on to all that weight because of the amount of food it takes to hold that weight when hormone levels are normal. Now say that same guy gets back to 200lbs at close to the same leanness after some time period and decides to do another cycle. It would be reasonable to expect 15lbs of weight gain with minimal fat gain, with a typical cycle of moderate dosage. I’d expect a greater percentage of that weight to be kept because the person has probably figured out how to eat if he was able to get back to 200lbs ‘naturally’.
There are limitless variables involved.
Retaining strength gains is another conversation with it’s own set of variables. It could literally be an endless discussion.
[quote]WyldFlower wrote:
Also, i believe the above is more relevant to athletic performance than body recomposition “sports”.[/quote]
Are you implying that bigger muscles dont allow for better sports performance? And I’m obviously not talking about extreme levels of muscle that only a small portion of the population can accquire.
no i just meant the way AAS are used in natural/un-natural bodybuilding there’s a far greater dividng line and umm i don’t know what i was thinking and i think what i was thinking was wrong, so ignore wot i said.
