don’t get mad at me cuz you lack mental fortitude.
[quote]Hyena wrote:
don’t get mad at me cuz you lack mental fortitude.[/quote]
did his response really deserve a jack ass comment like this? If I trained for 3 hours at a time I’d be right in the same boat with him on the losing focus part.
I doubt you have done anything with 400 lbs on your back or with 130 pound DB’s in your hands so if anything your post just comes off as melodramatic “bullshit”.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
[quote]Hyena wrote:
don’t get mad at me cuz you lack mental fortitude.[/quote]
did his response really deserve a jack ass comment like this? If I trained for 3 hours at a time I’d be right in the same boat with him on the losing focus part.[/quote]
WELL if that aint the stove calling the kettle black! YOU RACIST STOVE!
[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
[quote]Hyena wrote:
don’t get mad at me cuz you lack mental fortitude.[/quote]
did his response really deserve a jack ass comment like this? If I trained for 3 hours at a time I’d be right in the same boat with him on the losing focus part.[/quote]
WELL if that aint the stove calling the kettle black! YOU RACIST STOVE![/quote]
Meh, I always see Hyena post crap like this. He seems to think he’s some big ass dude and feels like he can talk down to people.
Even though I’ve had my issues with you at least you have a good sense of humor about all of this lol, which is why I luv you so much now!
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
[quote]Hyena wrote:
don’t get mad at me cuz you lack mental fortitude.[/quote]
did his response really deserve a jack ass comment like this? If I trained for 3 hours at a time I’d be right in the same boat with him on the losing focus part.
I doubt you have done anything with 400 lbs on your back or with 130 pound DB’s in your hands so if anything your post just comes off as melodramatic “bullshit”.[/quote]
Agreed. And to say the least if I were to train for 3 hours, I wouldn’t be able to last going with max effort set after set after set…Personally, unless I am training my full body I can’t even think of what I’d do for 3 hours, and the weights would be like 50% of my 1rm come a little over an hour if I trained with the intensity I am using now, and I find that pointless…Whatever works best for the individual I guess, but that style of training ain’t for me…
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
[quote]Hyena wrote:
don’t get mad at me cuz you lack mental fortitude.[/quote]
did his response really deserve a jack ass comment like this? If I trained for 3 hours at a time I’d be right in the same boat with him on the losing focus part.[/quote]
WELL if that aint the stove calling the kettle black! YOU RACIST STOVE![/quote]
OMG akuma, you are the shit. I totally want to have your babies[/quote]
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[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
[quote]Hyena wrote:
don’t get mad at me cuz you lack mental fortitude.[/quote]
did his response really deserve a jack ass comment like this? If I trained for 3 hours at a time I’d be right in the same boat with him on the losing focus part.[/quote]
WELL if that aint the stove calling the kettle black! YOU RACIST STOVE![/quote]
OMG akuma, you are the shit. I totally want to have your babies[/quote]
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Thank you for that. I was beating around the bush, this is what I really meant!
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
[quote]Hyena wrote:
don’t get mad at me cuz you lack mental fortitude.[/quote]
did his response really deserve a jack ass comment like this? If I trained for 3 hours at a time I’d be right in the same boat with him on the losing focus part.[/quote]
WELL if that aint the stove calling the kettle black! YOU RACIST STOVE![/quote]
OMG akuma, you are the shit. I totally want to have your babies[/quote]
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Thank you for that. I was beating around the bush, this is what I really meant![/quote]
I know, i read your dairy.
[edit] AND your Diary!!!
[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
[quote]Hyena wrote:
don’t get mad at me cuz you lack mental fortitude.[/quote]
did his response really deserve a jack ass comment like this? If I trained for 3 hours at a time I’d be right in the same boat with him on the losing focus part.[/quote]
WELL if that aint the stove calling the kettle black! YOU RACIST STOVE![/quote]
OMG akuma, you are the shit. I totally want to have your babies[/quote]
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Thank you for that. I was beating around the bush, this is what I really meant![/quote]
I know, i read your dairy.
[edit] AND your Diary!!![/quote]
LOL! facepalm
I trained from 30-40 minutes to 3.5 hours. But, for me at least, the most effective is the 90-120 minute window. Actually a good amount of easily digestible carbs and electrolytes (I mean 100 grs of maltodextrin, >destrose gets my gut bloated, and I don’t have money for waxy, vitargo, or any other “expensive carbs”. I also use table salt, and magnesium in my workout shake) gives me enough energy to keep intensity for even 3 hours.
Anyway, it depends on lot of things, how I’ve eaten-slept the day before, etc. But I usually spend about 1.5 hours to 2 hours in the gym.
I train alone for powerlifting and usually am in the gym for about 1-1:15 hours. I’m doing 5-3-1 so its 4 days a week. My main movements usually take me about 25-30 minutes to finish up–this is for quick warmup sets and between 3-5 minutes rest in between working sets. I usually get in 2 more accessory exercises (usually 5x10-15) then finish off with some lightish hypertrophy/weak point work if I feel like I need it.
Peri-workout nutrition has made a big difference in the intensity of my workouts. I started out using CT’s modified peri-workout protocol (with FINiBAR, Surge WOF & Recovery) and have recently switched to Anaconda 2. Not sure which I like better yet, but the Anaconda 2 is less volume and easier to get down & stay down.
3 hours in the gym…you guys are talking about Pat Mendes training not more than 60 min! LOL. First of all…that kid doesn’t do anything but train. John Broz his coach is supporting him, he trains 2x a day 14x a week total.
His sessions include only 6 exercises total…he works up to a max effort everyday and depending on what the coach says they usually do 30-50 reps total in doubles or triples (mostly doubles if I’m not mistaken). If the weight begins to feel light they will work up to another max effort. This is done for squatting everyday. They will do powerclean and snatch before that.
So for that total volume to be done for squatting…again you can rest as much as you’d like…it’d take over an hour to finish the squats up without a doubt. Again…his coach says…if Pat wants to go to the batting cages later it means he’s gotta run him into the ground some more…but he’s an olympic hopeful so I mean why wouldn’t he do what he’s gotta do!
Aside from that for me personally 3 hours is way too much for weights (not that I could even train that much cause it would interfere with my sport) but regardless if I train legs I’ll be done in an hour or so…I’ll squat for 30-40min. and the rest of the time is taken up doing whatever else.
3 hours I just wouldn’t be focused anymore…I’d just dick aroud too much…if I’m training at a fast hard pace…I can keep it up for an hour for sure but after that the energy will start to die down. It all depends how much you rest. I’ve done a muay thai workout for 4 and a half hours before and after I felt like a zombie lol. My one friend even said he doesn’t care enough anymore to train so he stopped hahah. It was definately excessive.
Regardless if Akuma can do 3 hours good for him, I know I’d lose focus…I’ll be lifting for hour and a half and I’m good…anymore than that and I’m just wasting time.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
[quote]Hyena wrote:
don’t get mad at me cuz you lack mental fortitude.[/quote]
did his response really deserve a jack ass comment like this? If I trained for 3 hours at a time I’d be right in the same boat with him on the losing focus part.[/quote]
WELL if that aint the stove calling the kettle black! YOU RACIST STOVE![/quote]
OMG akuma, you are the shit. I totally want to have your babies[/quote]
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Thank you for that. I was beating around the bush, this is what I really meant![/quote]
I know, i read your dairy.
[edit] AND your Diary!!![/quote]
LOL! facepalm
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DUDE… when the fuck are you gonna do a show!!!
[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
[quote]3djedi wrote:
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
Depends on the kind of workout - training with partners or not, kind of exercises, type of exercise.
I don’t know where the 45 to 60 minute rule came from. If you get what you have to get done in that time frame, then good! If it takes two hours to do what needs to be done, then good! And so on and so on.
Elite athletes train up to 30 hours per week or 4 to 6 hours per day. Michael Phelps trains 36 hours per week.[/quote]
I guess it depends on what you want out of the gym. If you want endurance then by all means train all day! BTW Michael Phelps is a twigg so I think that is a bad example of training long hours in the gym…
“…after 60 minutes of training the levels of the catabolic hormone cortisol increases and testosterone decreases, a hormonal situation that will prevent you from making any gains. My philosophy when it comes to time spent at the gym is get in, do your job well, and get out. These days even most of the top pro bodybuilders refrain from spending much more than 1 hour at the gym.”
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yea, cuz im not 260lbs and train 2-3hrs daily.[/quote]
Good post.
Perhaps I didn’t make my point clear in the first place.
However, I don’t think it’s wise to rebuke my comments because some athletes are slender. Sprinters, some of whom have bodies that people on T-mag would probably envy despite them not being as jacked as bodybuilders, are usually not slender.
Maurice Greene, Ben Johnson, Walter Dix, Tyson Gay, and Linford Christie (especially this guy!) are not skinny and their regimens have/had them training 4 to 6 hours per day. Same goes for football.
Brian Siders is an enormous powerlifter and trains for THREE to FOUR hours PER SESSION.
Sample Brian Siders workouts. Thank god this guy didn’t follow the bullshit 45 to 60 minute rule. These workouts would have ordinary people like me headed for the hospital.
Sunday, July 31 2005
Warm up exercises-
1/ Standing obliques- 190x20x3
2/ mini band rear delts- 3x20
3/ doubled mini triceps ext- 3 sets of 15
4/ mini band rotator cuff- 3x15
5/ standing rope pulls to chest- 190x10x3
Core exercises-
1/ bp (comp grip)- 315x5x2, 365x5, 405x5, 455x5, 495x5, 530x5x5
2/ 3 board bp- 565x6x4
3/ doubled mini bp (med grip)- 315x6, 365x6x3
4/ standing shoulder press (strict, no leg movement)- 225x6, 315x6x2
5/ Cambered bar bp (4 inch increase ROM) with green bands choked- 315x6, 355x6x4
Assistance exercises-
1/ barbell triceps ext-225x10x3
2/ chain suspended push ups- 4 sets of 10
3/ light band triceps ext- 4 sets of 25
4/ mini band side raises- 3 sets of 20
5/ 3 way shoulder raises- 25s with 20 reps to front, 20 to side, and 20 to rear (60 reps total)
6/ green band standing abs- 1 set of 100
Monday Aug 1, 2005
Warm up exercises
1/ standing abs- 190x20x3
2/ db rotator cuff work- 3 sets of 15
3/ light band triceps ext- 3 sets of 15
4/ mini band rear delts- 3x25
5/ 45 degree hyper ext- 3 sets of 10
Core exercises-no belt or equipment
1/ box squats (wider than normal stance) with strong bands choked- 425x5x8
2/ box squats with strong bands (normal stance)- 425x10
3/ Good mornings- 355x6x6 with 60 sec in between sets
4/ conv dl standing on 2 inch blocks- 405x5x2, 495x3, 585x2, 675x1, 735x1 (PR), 770 missed at lockout
5/ sumo dl with doubled minis standing on 2 inch platform- 455x6x4
Assistance exercises
1/ seated close grip face pulls- 245x6x3
2/ seated wide grip face pulls- …
3/ lat pulls- …
4/ lat pulls with upside down lat bar- …
5/ wide grip palms facing lat pulls- …
6/ fat bar lat pulls- …
7/ chain suspended bodyweight rows- 3 sets of 6
8/ ivanko gripper- 3 sets of 25
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
Walter Dix, Tyson Gay, and Linford Christie (especially this guy!) are not skinny and their regimens have/had them training 4 to 6 hours per day. Same goes for football.
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Had to post it 
[quote]rasturai wrote:
3 hours in the gym…you guys are talking about Pat Mendes training not more than 60 min! LOL. First of all…that kid doesn’t do anything but train. John Broz his coach is supporting him, he trains 2x a day 14x a week total.
His sessions include only 6 exercises total…he works up to a max effort everyday and depending on what the coach says they usually do 30-50 reps total in doubles or triples (mostly doubles if I’m not mistaken). If the weight begins to feel light they will work up to another max effort. This is done for squatting everyday. They will do powerclean and snatch before that.
So for that total volume to be done for squatting…again you can rest as much as you’d like…it’d take over an hour to finish the squats up without a doubt. Again…his coach says…if Pat wants to go to the batting cages later it means he’s gotta run him into the ground some more…but he’s an olympic hopeful so I mean why wouldn’t he do what he’s gotta do!
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I think it’s “only” 13 times a week. I remember John writing something about only one workout on sundays, but maybe that was just regarding himself. Anyway, the things you wrote are, of course, reasons why his workouts take a long time. That’s the thing, you can’t just make up a timelimit and state that any training that goes on for longer than this is pointless. You have to look at what’s being done in the workout.
Personally I think 3 hours is excessive for most people, especially for bodybuilding purposes even if I know some who train for that long with good results. I also know some people who train for just over 30 minutes and get good results, so it goes both ways. But really, however long it takes to get everything done without wasting time, that’s how long the workout should be. For me this is usually somewhere between one and two hours, closer to two now that I’ve started squatting several times per week. If it takes longer than that it’s usually because something is off (I find that the damn heat has made my workouts drag on lately…).
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
[quote]Hyena wrote:
don’t get mad at me cuz you lack mental fortitude.[/quote]
did his response really deserve a jack ass comment like this? If I trained for 3 hours at a time I’d be right in the same boat with him on the losing focus part.[/quote]
WELL if that aint the stove calling the kettle black! YOU RACIST STOVE![/quote]
OMG akuma, you are the shit. I totally want to have your babies[/quote]
Fixed
[/quote]
Thank you for that. I was beating around the bush, this is what I really meant![/quote]
I know, i read your dairy.
[edit] AND your Diary!!![/quote]
LOL! facepalm
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DUDE… when the fuck are you gonna do a show!!![/quote]
hahaha, I’m looking at doing one next august.
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
Walter Dix, Tyson Gay, and Linford Christie (especially this guy!) are not skinny and their regimens have/had them training 4 to 6 hours per day. Same goes for football.
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Had to post it :)[/quote]
I read that article. The title was VERY crafty.