When Are Workouts Too Long?

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[quote]Akuma01 wrote:

[quote]pumped340 wrote:
Mind posting up the shoulders and back workout (exercises and sets)?[/quote]

lol not at all, wonder what kind of shit ill get for this tho hah:

Exercise- Reps/weight.
Military Press Barbell- 15/95, 8/135, 8/225, 8/275, 8/315
Front DB Kai raises(movement i took from Kai, hence name)- 8/25, 8/35, 8/45, 8/55
Incline bench lateral Kai raises- 8/20, 8/25, 8/30, 8/30
Cable Laterals behind back- 8/20, 8/30, 8/40, 8/50
Rear Dealt high Cable X’s- 10/25, 10/35, 10/45, 10/50
Bent over Rear DB raises(done with Hands pronated through entire movement)- 8/20, 8/30, 8/35, 8/35
Pullups- 12/Bodyweight, 8/+25lbs, 8/+45lbs, 8/+45lbs
BB rows- 8/135, 8/225, 8/315, 8/405
Isolateral HS machine rows(extreme focus on pinching and negative rep)- 8/180, 8/270, 8/360, 8/360
BB shrugs- 15/135, 15/225, 12/315, 12/405
1hand Smith shrug(done with bar at my side)- 10/65, 10/95, 10/135, 10/135

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Shoulders take me 30-45mins and back is about an hour and 10… So with a partner I can see this taking you a god damn lifetime to finish, yeah. lol

Why the additional single arm shrugs? (NTTAWWT)

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Not familiar with NTTAWWT. I threw in the additional shrugs very simply because, i need a bit more traps. lol.

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As mentioned above, I’m not a huge fan of supersetting and low rest periods anymore. Not that they can’t be useful (and antagonist supersets can definitely be good…I just haven’t trained antagonist muscles together in awhile otherwise I might do that) but as far as same muscle groups go I think getting the basic lifts up first should be the focus. Also, although I don’t agree that people need 5-10 minutes between sets the (large) majority of the time, I will say training is much more enjoyable now (with better results) keeping rest around 2-3 minutes rather than 60sec like I did when starting out.

[quote]Akuma01 wrote:

[quote]pumped340 wrote:
Mind posting up the shoulders and back workout (exercises and sets)?[/quote]

lol not at all, wonder what kind of shit ill get for this tho hah:

Exercise- Reps/weight.
Military Press Barbell- 15/95, 8/135, 8/225, 8/275, 8/315
Front DB Kai raises(movement i took from Kai, hence name)- 8/25, 8/35, 8/45, 8/55
Incline bench lateral Kai raises- 8/20, 8/25, 8/30, 8/30
Cable Laterals behind back- 8/20, 8/30, 8/40, 8/50
Rear Dealt high Cable X’s- 10/25, 10/35, 10/45, 10/50
Bent over Rear DB raises(done with Hands pronated through entire movement)- 8/20, 8/30, 8/35, 8/35
Pullups- 12/Bodyweight, 8/+25lbs, 8/+45lbs, 8/+45lbs
BB rows- 8/135, 8/225, 8/315, 8/405
Isolateral HS machine rows(extreme focus on pinching and negative rep)- 8/180, 8/270, 8/360, 8/360
BB shrugs- 15/135, 15/225, 12/315, 12/405
1hand Smith shrug(done with bar at my side)- 10/65, 10/95, 10/135, 10/135

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You’re a beast. Honestly though I don’t see that as excessive. 2 exercises per delt dead, 3 main back exercises and 2 trap exercises. I guess it’s just that they’re both on the same day that would kill me. You don’t think you’d get better results/focus by splitting that into 2 days?

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[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
Not familiar with NTTAWWT. I threw in the additional shrugs very simply because, i need a bit more traps. lol.[/quote]

I’m going to make a guess that NTTAWWT stands for Not That There’s Anything Wrong With That.

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[quote]Matsa wrote:

[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
Not familiar with NTTAWWT. I threw in the additional shrugs very simply because, i need a bit more traps. lol.[/quote]

I’m going to make a guess that NTTAWWT stands for Not That There’s Anything Wrong With That.[/quote]

that makes too much sense. Probably something more like…Nothing Tastes Too Awkward With Walloping Tang

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[quote]Matsa wrote:

[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
Not familiar with NTTAWWT. I threw in the additional shrugs very simply because, i need a bit more traps. lol.[/quote]

I’m going to make a guess that NTTAWWT stands for Not That There’s Anything Wrong With That.[/quote]

Yeah, it does.

I figured that was why, and it’s the obvious answer, but I hate assuming shit.

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And pumped, i dunno lol. Im pretty used to my routine, plus with the help of the of the during workout nutrition made possible by this site, i have no trouble getting through my longest workouts, while keeping them intense. The weight doesnt drop weekly simply because of the fact that i wont allow that.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Matsa wrote:

[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
Not familiar with NTTAWWT. I threw in the additional shrugs very simply because, i need a bit more traps. lol.[/quote]

I’m going to make a guess that NTTAWWT stands for Not That There’s Anything Wrong With That.[/quote]

Yeah, it does.

I figured that was why, and it’s the obvious answer, but I hate assuming shit.[/quote]

And we All know what happens when we ASSUME…makes and ASS out of U and ME !!! Huck huck…

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[quote]Akuma01 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Matsa wrote:

[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
Not familiar with NTTAWWT. I threw in the additional shrugs very simply because, i need a bit more traps. lol.[/quote]

I’m going to make a guess that NTTAWWT stands for Not That There’s Anything Wrong With That.[/quote]

Yeah, it does.

I figured that was why, and it’s the obvious answer, but I hate assuming shit.[/quote]

And we All know what happens when we ASSUME…makes and ASS out of U and ME !!! Huck huck…[/quote]

Is their a reason you have shoulders and back on the same day? for the sake of frequency? im curious to see what your split looks like because whatever you are doing is obviously working.

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[quote]Elite0423 wrote:

[quote]Akuma01 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Matsa wrote:

[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
Not familiar with NTTAWWT. I threw in the additional shrugs very simply because, i need a bit more traps. lol.[/quote]

I’m going to make a guess that NTTAWWT stands for Not That There’s Anything Wrong With That.[/quote]

Yeah, it does.

I figured that was why, and it’s the obvious answer, but I hate assuming shit.[/quote]

And we All know what happens when we ASSUME…makes and ASS out of U and ME !!! Huck huck…[/quote]

Is their a reason you have shoulders and back on the same day? for the sake of frequency? im curious to see what your split looks like because whatever you are doing is obviously working. [/quote]

Shoulders and back are together because im not a fan of push/pull and i just like how my routine feels. My split is nothing special- Chest #1, Shoulders/back #2, Arms #3, Legs #4. I throw in an off day or two as needed, and the cycle begins again.

Im kinda curious as to why this thread is becoming about me lol

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One thing that I would like to point out is that the short workouts have been popularised mostly by the personal training industry (in my opinion).

There target market are wealthy people with not much time on there hands so it makes sense that they would promote shorter workouts. Not many people would pay a PT for two hour workouts five times per week.

You see a lot of PT centres advertising 2 x 30 minute per wk programs and promising results.

For the general population shorter workouts are good but not so much for bb unless you are able to train twice a day. I havent hear of any pros doing these realy short workouts.

I beleive it is true that you can get results from short workouts even as short as 30 mins and its certainly more efficient but I don’t beleive that it is optimal. I like being in the gym and training anyway.

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Three hours seems insane to me. But there is a guy at my gym who works out for like 2-3 hrs, 7 days a week with decent intensity and makes progress (dude never de-loads either!). For me, I am usually toast in about an hour. Usually 1.5 on back day.

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My work outs are are 30 mins now because of my short breaks 10-20 secs…also, probably because I do on group a day and superset too.

Shit, how long does 4 lifts take?

My old style of lifting had me in the gym as long as 3 hours and I cant understand why or how I did that.

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I feel more effiecient now too

I notice I have a lot less friends in the gym now that my lifting is shorrter…thats prolly where a lot of my time went.

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[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
I notice I have a lot less friends in the gym now that my lifting is shorrter…thats prolly where a lot of my time went.[/quote]

^This. I have been know to where my headphones and not even have the music on just to avoid the socializing.

I am lifting 6 days a week and during the week I do so on my lunch hour. 45-60 minutes max. High Intensity, low-mid volume, and 60-120 sec rest between sets. With 6 days I can hit parts twice with ease or do some specialization and still keep the sessions around the same time. Tend to take my time on Sat. though, 90 min maybe.

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I’d say your work out is too long when you can describe more than two people in the weight room in detail.

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[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
I’d say your work out is too long when you can describe more than two people in the weight room in detail.[/quote]

LOL, I know what your saying, but when I see the same handful of faces 4-6 times a week, every week for like 2 years now, you tend to recognize them and what they do.

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[quote]Akuma01 wrote:

[quote]guel0013 wrote:
What is longest amount of time a person can workout and continue making gains in one session. 45 minutes? 1 hr? 2 hr? I started at about 45 minutes and now I am around 1 hour 15 minutes. Some of the biggest guys at my gym (competetive bodybuilders) are working out when I get there and are still working out when I get done.

I always thought there was diminishing returns after about 45 minutes. From what I can see, people doing longer weight training sessions are making more progress. Thoughts?[/quote]

You’re going to get different answers. I personally believe its a case of preference and preparedness. Seeing as how i have a training partner, and like to be thorough in my work, i can spend a length of 3 hrs in the gym when dealing with a vast amount of muscles like on a Shoulders and back day. Having a during workout drink is what allows me to stay in the gym longer. Its the main reason i continuously use Anaconda/Surge. [/quote]

Wow, 3 hrs? Do you find yourself losing focus at all nearing the end of your workout? I know I can’t maintain that kind of focus and intensity for more than an hour 30.

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[quote]TD54 wrote:

[quote]Akuma01 wrote:

[quote]guel0013 wrote:
What is longest amount of time a person can workout and continue making gains in one session. 45 minutes? 1 hr? 2 hr? I started at about 45 minutes and now I am around 1 hour 15 minutes. Some of the biggest guys at my gym (competetive bodybuilders) are working out when I get there and are still working out when I get done.

I always thought there was diminishing returns after about 45 minutes. From what I can see, people doing longer weight training sessions are making more progress. Thoughts?[/quote]

You’re going to get different answers. I personally believe its a case of preference and preparedness. Seeing as how i have a training partner, and like to be thorough in my work, i can spend a length of 3 hrs in the gym when dealing with a vast amount of muscles like on a Shoulders and back day. Having a during workout drink is what allows me to stay in the gym longer. Its the main reason i continuously use Anaconda/Surge. [/quote]

Wow, 3 hrs? Do you find yourself losing focus at all nearing the end of your workout? I know I can’t maintain that kind of focus and intensity for more than an hour 30.
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No, i want this too bad to let something as little as some hard work deter me.

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[quote]Akuma01 wrote:

[quote]TD54 wrote:

[quote]Akuma01 wrote:

[quote]guel0013 wrote:
What is longest amount of time a person can workout and continue making gains in one session. 45 minutes? 1 hr? 2 hr? I started at about 45 minutes and now I am around 1 hour 15 minutes. Some of the biggest guys at my gym (competetive bodybuilders) are working out when I get there and are still working out when I get done.

I always thought there was diminishing returns after about 45 minutes. From what I can see, people doing longer weight training sessions are making more progress. Thoughts?[/quote]

You’re going to get different answers. I personally believe its a case of preference and preparedness. Seeing as how i have a training partner, and like to be thorough in my work, i can spend a length of 3 hrs in the gym when dealing with a vast amount of muscles like on a Shoulders and back day. Having a during workout drink is what allows me to stay in the gym longer. Its the main reason i continuously use Anaconda/Surge. [/quote]

Wow, 3 hrs? Do you find yourself losing focus at all nearing the end of your workout? I know I can’t maintain that kind of focus and intensity for more than an hour 30.
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No, i want this too bad to let something as little as some hard work deter me.[/quote]

For me it’s not a matter of hard work as much as it is just losing focus on each set and rep. I’ve always had trouble focusing though…