You hate people who can press more than they clean, or hate people who say they have no business in doing so? (just wanting to be clear, because I’m pretty sure I press more than I clean)
The latter. Sorry, it sounds like the first one. Ha I know a lot of people like that and it irks me. Most the people I know who say this have the worst looking clean form I’ve ever seen, but won’t let their ego go and learn it. Talking out of my ass I suppose
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Oh my god… He hates me… Am in tears now
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I respect your opinion though. Everybody has his own reasons. My reason is that if you can’t get it to the starting position of a press why would you you press it?
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Injuries, mobility issues, poor form, a lot of factors really. I love cleans, but not at the expense of not training for a month because someone did them.wrong or something of the like. I agree, cleaning to the press is a great thing to do, but not the only way.
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Again I’m referring to the physics side of things that we can’t control. Being gifted doesn’t necessarily mean you look like a bodybuilder. Some kids in high school bench 3 plates at age 16 with very little training. Compare that to a kid with the same physique and training history who only benches 200 lbs. There’s no rhyme or reason to it from the outside; I think it has to do with the leverages and physics that we can’t see… also the nervous system.
And being athletic and lifting weights doesn’t have to be related. Bodybuilding actually trains the slow twitch muscle fibers more so than the fast twitch. Most of your good athletes are more fast twitch dominant and that helps them be fast and explosive (mostly thinking of the major American sports–football, basketball, etc).
It’s very possible to be muscular and strong without having any athletic ability.
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You didn’t say anything about age in your post though. You said anyone who hits those are considered special or gifted. I interpret that as meaning over their entire career. Again, I know people who train their ass off and hit what people who are genetically gifted hit later in life. Doesn’t mean they didn’t do it. Now if age is a factor in this, then yes, genetics and such play a factor. But if I were train in running for years, put in a ton of sweat equity and hard work, eventually, I’d probably be pretty good even having no prior running experience.
Again, we were not talking about this. The forum post is about strength. Not athletics.
You’re right bro. Good point about injuries and mobility issues that I didn’t really think of before.
I didn’t mean to come off rash, so I apologize for the hate comment. I forget that my humor is rude often times. Ha
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Hahahaha never mind
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I know ur a sarcastic one bro
This is why I no longer clean… after two shoulder surgeries along with loss of mobility I cant properly rack a clean on my shoulders.
For the 2/3/4/5 benchmark what bodyweight would you say that these numbers apply? I’m at 165lbs and I’d like to reach these numbers at that bodyweight, do you think I might be biting off more than I can chew?
where you at now?
My 1 rep maxes are:
85Kgs (187lbs) on the OHP
115Kgs (253lbs) on bench
I haven’t done a regular squat in a long time but my front squat is at 125Kgs (275lbs)
205Kgs (451lbs) on the deadlift
I’ve been training for strength around 5-6 years but lost a lot of weight over the past 3 years and dropped quite a bit of strength. I’m now as strong as I was before the weight loss.
yeah its in reason…
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The athletic side of my comment stemmed from this part of your post. I wasn’t trying to redirect the topic.
I think one can train for decades and probably reach the 2/4/5/6 strength feats. But a 300 lb strict overhead press is huge. A 405lb bench is probably the most commonly achieved feat by gym goers (out of these four), but still a pretty big accomplishment.
This is all a matter of perspective anyway. Perhaps you don’t have to be gifted to reach some of these lifts; maybe just average. Maybe my genetics are less than average (for lifting purposes) so I view these things as being bigger than you and others here.
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Thanks @bulldog9899.
I’ve been seriously thinking about starting a training log to keep me accountable and hopefully get some tips from the experienced guys on here so that I can achieve that benchmark. It would also be great to get some support. No one I know trains and I train in a commercial gym (think zumba classes and personal trainers who get their clients on bosu balls) there is a dedicated lifting area but I haven’t come across any really strong dudes there who I can ask for guidance. I’m usually the guy who gets asked questions. I try to help as best I can but I don’t feel that I have enough knowledge to teach others as I’ve only ever taught myself.
I think 1.5 x BW bench, 2 x BW squat, 1 x BW overhead press, and 2.5 x BW deadlift. These certainly are not outrageous standards but anyone who can do them is far from weak and will look good too.
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