What is neglected if you don’t go below parallel.
What muscles specifically?
Manhood.
^damn beat me to it lol
[quote]ScreenWatcha wrote:
What is neglected if you don’t go below parallel.
What muscles specifically?
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Your total.
Despite a lot of claims on the internet that “all squats MUST be below parallel” and that doing otherwise will kill your gains, your total, your knees, your family, etc, the reality is that heavy partials have been used for decades to build big squats. One of the easiest go to examples is Paul Anderson, who was famous for squatting with wagon wheels and oil drums with a partial squat. He would stand in a hole in his yard while doing this, and would gradually increase the ROM by filling the hole with dirt.
What you neglect is the portion of the range of motion below wherever you stopped squatting. If that portion is necessary for you to progress, you should include it. If not, you shouldn’t.
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
Despite a lot of claims on the internet that “all squats MUST be below parallel” and that doing otherwise will kill your gains, your total, your knees, your family, etc, the reality is that heavy partials have been used for decades to build big squats. One of the easiest go to examples is Paul Anderson, who was famous for squatting with wagon wheels and oil drums with a partial squat. He would stand in a hole in his yard while doing this, and would gradually increase the ROM by filling the hole with dirt.
What you neglect is the portion of the range of motion below wherever you stopped squatting. If that portion is necessary for you to progress, you should include it. If not, you shouldn’t.[/quote]
Tell me more about this partial ROM approach. Does it also work for deadlifts?
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[quote]infinite_shore wrote:
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
Despite a lot of claims on the internet that “all squats MUST be below parallel” and that doing otherwise will kill your gains, your total, your knees, your family, etc, the reality is that heavy partials have been used for decades to build big squats. One of the easiest go to examples is Paul Anderson, who was famous for squatting with wagon wheels and oil drums with a partial squat. He would stand in a hole in his yard while doing this, and would gradually increase the ROM by filling the hole with dirt.
What you neglect is the portion of the range of motion below wherever you stopped squatting. If that portion is necessary for you to progress, you should include it. If not, you shouldn’t.[/quote]
Tell me more about this partial ROM approach. Does it also work for deadlifts?[/quote]
Exactly my point. I have to keep addressing the same subjects because there is so much dogma that gets repeated over and over again with no actual consideration for the subject matter.
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
Despite a lot of claims on the internet that “all squats MUST be below parallel” and that doing otherwise will kill your gains, your total, your knees, your family, etc, the reality is that heavy partials have been used for decades to build big squats. One of the easiest go to examples is Paul Anderson, who was famous for squatting with wagon wheels and oil drums with a partial squat. He would stand in a hole in his yard while doing this, and would gradually increase the ROM by filling the hole with dirt.
What you neglect is the portion of the range of motion below wherever you stopped squatting. If that portion is necessary for you to progress, you should include it. If not, you shouldn’t.[/quote]
I may have misinterpreted the OP, but I don’t think he was asking a legitimate question about the effectiveness of partial ROM as part of an effective training program. It sounded to me more like he was seeking justification for squatting high on a consistent basis.
[quote]Dr J wrote:
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
Despite a lot of claims on the internet that “all squats MUST be below parallel” and that doing otherwise will kill your gains, your total, your knees, your family, etc, the reality is that heavy partials have been used for decades to build big squats. One of the easiest go to examples is Paul Anderson, who was famous for squatting with wagon wheels and oil drums with a partial squat. He would stand in a hole in his yard while doing this, and would gradually increase the ROM by filling the hole with dirt.
What you neglect is the portion of the range of motion below wherever you stopped squatting. If that portion is necessary for you to progress, you should include it. If not, you shouldn’t.[/quote]
I may have misinterpreted the OP, but I don’t think he was asking a legitimate question about the effectiveness of partial ROM as part of an effective training program. It sounded to me more like he was seeking justification for squatting high on a consistent basis. [/quote]
It’s definitely possible.
[quote]infinite_shore wrote:
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
Despite a lot of claims on the internet that “all squats MUST be below parallel” and that doing otherwise will kill your gains, your total, your knees, your family, etc, the reality is that heavy partials have been used for decades to build big squats. One of the easiest go to examples is Paul Anderson, who was famous for squatting with wagon wheels and oil drums with a partial squat. He would stand in a hole in his yard while doing this, and would gradually increase the ROM by filling the hole with dirt.
What you neglect is the portion of the range of motion below wherever you stopped squatting. If that portion is necessary for you to progress, you should include it. If not, you shouldn’t.[/quote]
Tell me more about this partial ROM approach. Does it also work for deadlifts?[/quote]
lol
[quote]infinite_shore wrote:
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
Despite a lot of claims on the internet that “all squats MUST be below parallel” and that doing otherwise will kill your gains, your total, your knees, your family, etc, the reality is that heavy partials have been used for decades to build big squats. One of the easiest go to examples is Paul Anderson, who was famous for squatting with wagon wheels and oil drums with a partial squat. He would stand in a hole in his yard while doing this, and would gradually increase the ROM by filling the hole with dirt.
What you neglect is the portion of the range of motion below wherever you stopped squatting. If that portion is necessary for you to progress, you should include it. If not, you shouldn’t.[/quote]
Tell me more about this partial ROM approach. Does it also work for deadlifts?[/quote]
I didn’t even catch the sarcasm of that statement at first lol
Gotta throw one of these in there http://makeameme.org/media/created/tell-me-more-f0iu0q.jpg
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
[quote]Dr J wrote:
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
Despite a lot of claims on the internet that “all squats MUST be below parallel” and that doing otherwise will kill your gains, your total, your knees, your family, etc, the reality is that heavy partials have been used for decades to build big squats. One of the easiest go to examples is Paul Anderson, who was famous for squatting with wagon wheels and oil drums with a partial squat. He would stand in a hole in his yard while doing this, and would gradually increase the ROM by filling the hole with dirt.
What you neglect is the portion of the range of motion below wherever you stopped squatting. If that portion is necessary for you to progress, you should include it. If not, you shouldn’t.[/quote]
I may have misinterpreted the OP, but I don’t think he was asking a legitimate question about the effectiveness of partial ROM as part of an effective training program. It sounded to me more like he was seeking justification for squatting high on a consistent basis. [/quote]
It’s definitely possible.[/quote]
Ive had two squat workouts. I recently returned to training, Lifting like once a week. It was just a question for knowledge.
[quote]ScreenWatcha wrote:
Ive had two squat workouts.
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Forget about the partial ROM stuff then. File it away as useful knowledge for the future, should you become a more advanced squatter in need of such techniques.
Just learn the movement for now. And that means hitting parallel. As far as musculature goes, it will work everything better at your stage, and you can keep your man card. I do not think there is any advantage with a beginner using partial ROM squats.
Also, for future consideration, I would suggest posting questions like this in the beginner section. I think you may have given people the idea that you are a powerlifter by posting here, which explains why you got the responses that you did.
Go forth, and squat deep!
[quote]ScreenWatcha wrote:
What is neglected if you don’t go below parallel?
[/quote]
White lights.
First off you’ll get red lighted at a meet
I didn’t read through all the posts so I apologize if I repeat.
First, what these guys say is 100% true. Manhood and white lights are two things you lose and the former is the most important. Let me add to that though.
- Parallel is the standard and easy to measure. It keeps the squat from getting progressively “more” partial.
- Physiologically speaking, the further you go down the more the glutes and hams load and thus fire on the way up. In fact, at parallel & below the quads are used very little - they resume their dominance as you come up.
- The reason #2 is important is because your post. chain holds serious power - way more than you quads. Why on earth deprive yourself of that.
- This is something the youngsters I often lift with overlook - When you go to parallel and the glutes/hams take over, they relieve your knees of the burden and for the most part for the rest of the lift, especially if you maximize your explosion/speed out of the hole. Partials keep your knees loaded through the whole rep. Not good. Want knee problems? Use partials exclusively.
Partials are good for weak points and overloading but never substitute for the real thing.
Medial collateral ligament.
Medial meniscus.
Anterior crucuate ligament.
Lateral collateral ligament.
Quadriceps tendon.
Patellar tendon.
And all those can only take so much abuse before they start to break down.
Apparently I am doomed.
Heavy partials can definitely help, but really if you don’t go below parallel it is the same as always training your bench to boards. You look cool loading up a shit ton of weight, but the second you come to competition you will fail because you never train the bottom half of the lift. Partials can be used as accessories (I don’t personally) but squat below parallel because if you ever want to go anywhere with lifting, you need to squat below parallel. Plain and simple