Y’know, if I was racist, and I wanted to promote racism, what I would do is pretend I was clueless and promote bland sounding reasons it is okay to be proud of being white.
This would be a doorway activity to help identify people who are ready to make judgments and comparisons on a racial basis.
Seriously, if I was of that mindset and had that agenda, it would be how I’d go and identify other people of like or susceptible mind.
Obviously, there is no way I can tell the difference between pure cluelessness or actual racism and actively looking for others of similar mind, but I won’t idly sit by and let it pass without comment.
Look vroom, im not just proud of white people’s accomplishments , which doesnt really make us better but it something to stop and look at. I also like the diversity of white people. Now black people are more genitically diverse , their chromosomes show more variation b/c we probably descended from blacks everybody in fact. B
But , racially speaking, caucasiods are composed of europeans, hispanics, arabs, moors the mixed race muslim people, as well as the lighter skinned people from India and some Eurasians. So we are a very diverse race, we have red-haired vikings and irish people, we have blond , brown or black hair if you are hispanic. We have the most diverse language set, since you count not just chinese characters but a written language that africans havent really developed on their own if you dont count hyroglyphics.
I dont need to be clueless or racist to be proud of being white. I know that its not PC to say that i am proud of being white b/c we are supposed to feel guilty somehow of our mistreatment of Indians and Blacks. I however refuse to feel guilty over things that i have no control over. See how this is a double standard? that i am proud of the good things but dont really care about the bad? Well that may make me a hypocrite but that kind of reasoning happens all the time when people are talking about their culturess or other cultures in relation to them. See how i say " our " just then? I consider myself white, if you look at our accomplishments i can be proud of my race therefore but it doesnt necesssarilly make us better.
Like i posted previously, i beleive philosophically that you can be proud of what you havent had any part and i dont look at Irish, Scots, Germans or hispanicsas different people really. If you asked me about any of these i could tell you some things that I like about all of their individual cultures.
I am not trying to detract from the discrimination black people have faced,but all groups discriminate one way or another.Since I have been old enough to work,I have missed out on jobs because of my race,religion,the part of town you live in,not being gay,not a suck ass,not a drinkin buddy,had a few illness that i was told companies dont like to hire people like me cause you would make their group insurance rate go up,made to much at previous job etc.
So i can be proud of being white , and im part irish so i can be proud of that but i cant be proud of smaller groups that i dont belong to. Caucasoids - as anthropologists call us - are a big, broad and very diverse group. So i am thinking that an Irish guy, Scandinavian Viking dude, or a Hispanic ( even though they probably identify w/ being hispanic more than a caucasoid ) could all feel proud of being white too i guess. makes sense to me.
[quote]lumbernac wrote:
So i can be proud of being white , and im part irish so i can be proud of that but i cant be proud of smaller groups that i dont belong to. Caucasoids - as anthropologists call us - are a big, broad and very diverse group. So i am thinking that an Irish guy, Scandinavian Viking dude, or a Hispanic ( even though they probably identify w/ being hispanic more than a caucasoid ) could all feel proud of being white too i guess. makes sense to me.[/quote]
If you seriously don’t get it, let it go! Maybe this will help…To quote a wise man:
Greed!
Causing innocent blood to flow
Entire culture, lost in the overthrow
They came to seize and take whatever they please
Then all they gave back was death and disease
My people were left with no choice but to decide
To conform to a system, responsible for genocide
Responsible for genocide
Responsible for genocide…
‘AIDS is killing the entire African nation
And a vaccine is still supposedly under preparation
But these governments they don’t mind the procrastination
They say "We’ll kill them off, take their land and go there for vaction.’
My people’s culture was strong, it was pure
And if not for that white greed
It would’ve endured
My people were left with no choice but to decide
To conform to a system
Their minds enslaved
Their souls encaged
I feel the rage
It’s brutality can never be undone
But the sun is not yet set
The bass and drums and microphones a threat
That’s when ya investigate the crimes from the inside
And see that they’re responsible for genocide
Responsible for genocide
Responsible for genocide…
Ya cram ya culture down my throat
Say I’m inferior when I find that I choke
Ya fill my mind with a false sense of history
And then you wonder why I have no identity?
Well I’ll strike a match and it’ll catch and
Spread the insight we need
A tiny fire, burning bright
Shedding light on the darkness of greed
A yes yes y’all
And ya don’t stop
Shedding light on the darkness of greed
A yes yes y’all
And ya don’t stop
Shedding light on the darkness of greed.
I haven’t suggested that you should feel guilty about anything. However, being aware of realities in the world would probably be a good idea.
I know that I don’t feel any guilt over the issues you have raised. However, I do intend to make sure that I’m not part of promoting ongoing incredible mistreatment of others. That would be something for me to feel appropriately guilty about.
Whether or not you personally feel guilt, there are others that are still feeling the negative effects of past issues. While those issues are not my fault or yours it doesn’t mean they should be completely ignored. Take a less self-centered approach perhaps.
Life isn’t entirely about ignoring any problem or issue that you didn’t personally cause.
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Doogie, as for your post, it is hogwash. I’m suggesting that race is something that we need to work towards being unimportant between poeple. The fact that discrimination is still prevalent makes that improbable.
I would suggest, again, that the group most wronged is not the one that should be expected to release issues first. This is where a sense of justice would help people move forward, such that the group that has traditionally benefitted from the injustices demonstrates a desire to move ahead.
Anyway, consider, men and women are different, but equal. It is okay that people be different, have different histories and different social issues, but still be equal.
Really though, given the day and age we are in and the incredible ignorance and shallow thinking displayed, I think the earth is doomed. Honestly. Humans are too stupid not to destroy the planet eventually. Billions of us at war will surely do the job if pollution and global warming don’t turn out to be such a big issue.
[quote]lumbernac wrote:
So i can be proud of being white , and im part irish so i can be proud of that but i cant be proud of smaller groups that i dont belong to. Caucasoids - as anthropologists call us - are a big, broad and very diverse group. So i am thinking that an Irish guy, Scandinavian Viking dude, or a Hispanic ( even though they probably identify w/ being hispanic more than a caucasoid ) could all feel proud of being white too i guess. makes sense to me.[/quote]
How come every time you open your mouth, you sound like an ignorant, racist, redneck, frat-wad, college student?
Ok harris something else i take pride in… im kind of like that skinny white guy in " office space" that is jammin to the rap and then the black guy comes and turn it off haha. Im proud of having " some black in me " and appreciating some aspects of black culture even though my friend’s think its kind of dumb im sure and overall im closer to white culture whatever that is, i’ve had black friends and had a black nanny when i was a kid so im at least 1/5 black. I think thats kind of cool im just closer to the caucasoid group.
Life isnt like accounting, by that i mean to add to something ( be proud of being white ) its not going to take away from anything or body else ( like blacks for instance). harris all you have done so far is talk smack you dont even know me.
Tell me about yourself. What makes you so cool that you can talk smack about other people i would love to hear it brother.
btw , whoever said earlier that the african state’s current problems are a result of white europeans screwing them over is full of it.
Would it be totally offensive for me to say" I am proud of being white except for horrible events like slavery and destruction of the indians " ? b/c thats my deal. just asking.
Doogie, as for your post, it is hogwash. I’m suggesting that race is something that we need to work towards being unimportant between poeple. The fact that discrimination is still prevalent makes that improbable.
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If we are working to make race unimportant, how does only allowing some races to take pride in their heritage accomplish that? Doesn’t treating people differently based purely on their race, give race importance?
I don’t take any pride in my heritage. I can’t trace it back beyond my father on his side and my grandmother on her side. I don’t have guilt about the things my ancestors might have done, and I don’t take pride in what they may have done. Deep down, though, I’m glad they came out on top again and again. I think the world is a better place for it.
It does surprise me though that vroom said that there is no need to feel guilty over past mis-deeds done by my kind, in a good way. Mabey i;ll try to be more open-minded about things but for now…w/ the major exceptions of how we have treated blacks and indians …im still proud of our occomplishments
Ok dumbass, im sure that i can look up some african history books. I doubt they will tell me directly or not that whites cause africa’s current problems. They may have taken money from them when they were colonies but the fact remains that the africans aremaking their own problems much much worse. are you only capable of being a dumbass? At least im trying to be intelligent im sorry i dont pass for your definition of intelligence- i hope the graduate business school im talking to tomorow will think differently.
I have two multi-racial daughters. they are a beautiful blend of black, spanish(cuban) and caucasian genes. i think it is important that i teach them to be proud of ALL there ancestory, not just what is politically correct at the time.
their beautiful black mother can teach them about their african american heritige, and i can hopfully inform them of the rest.
though i agree that western european civilization has been in the drivers seat for much of recent history, say the last 1000 or so years, and that can be a point of pride, i think it is important to note that history goes back a lot farther than that, and the world has had periods of different cultures and “races” dare i say, taking a leading role in the world. the mesopotamian’s day came and went, the egypt, the chinese, romans, mongolians, moors, blah blah blah. America’s time will come and go too, at least as far as us being a economical and military superpower.
and i think that THAT is the underlying cause of all the political division in our country today. some are willing to cocede that we shoud go into a socialist type elegant decline like western europe, and the other side wants us to continue to be aggresive in trying to secure our spot at the top, for now anyway.
Actually i have blacks in my family as well, they have done pretty well for themselves and have a helluva lot of volunteering under their belts making the world a better place and live in LA right now and im actually proud of them as well. I have been thinking that i should learn more about that side , mabey i will have enough pride for 10 men when it is all around. Sorry for this disjointed post, im tired and happily drunk and have edited this post 4 or 5 times.
My daughter (and wife) are both hispanic. My daughter (step-daughter, if you’re confused) is pretty dark skinned, black hair, black eyes. My wife is very light skinned, brown hair and eyes. I’m transparent.
My son is half-hispanic, half-honkey. He has blonde hair, blue eyes.
I want to know who in my family is allowed to be proud of their heritage. I’m assuming that under Vroom’s rules, my wife and daughter can always be proud of their heritage, but my son can only be proud every other week. I’m not allowed to take any pride in my heritage (which is actually fine with me, even if it is silly).
regardless of him being hispanic…he is still a caucasoid. Ok its way too late wanna help me out w/ this bottle? George dickel makes a damn fine whiskey.
