[quote]vroom wrote:
Vroom, you are a reasonable guy, how does a label accomplish what you just described?
Also, think about the American Indians, or the PC term Native-Americans (another great label that has kept them in the shitter) and how well them having their own land has worked for them? The land that was to bring them freedom turned out to be a jail.
Now think about how those races that are integrated in the American society and culture are doing as a whole? Asians for example. They have one of the highest income levels in the US. Did they get that from a label? Do they use this label? Is it commonly used? The answer to these questions is no.
I must have been at the Staley Bootcamp during the period this was posted?
I was not discussing labels, I was discussing the concept of pride and how it can be applied in various situations.
However, I will say, it isn’t labels that have kept people “in the shitter”. The fact that some groups either want or have been given a label doesn’t mean that it has a direct consequence on their further growth or development.
You’ll need to delve into the concepts of culture and history and develop a sense of understanding and empathy if you really want to understand what is happening in the world.
In short, various groups have been given labels. Later, they decided they didn’t like that label, because it was used to express racism, hatred or stereotypes. New labels were then chosen which did not have those associations. Pick your racist label: chink, spic, mick, limey, cracker and on and on.
If you seriously are wanting to understand these issues, you need to dig deep enough to figure out how the concepts of “PC” and “reverse discrimination” and “it’s okay to discuss the truth” are being used by those who are in fact racist.
I don’t mean that all who use those concepts are racist, that is not what I am saying! However, these concepts are promoted by racist individuals and groups because they are quite compelling to those that “don’t want to hear about” history and believe that “we should just ignore the past and move forward”.
Whether or not we should ignore the past isn’t up to “us”… by “us” I mean white people. It is up to “them”… and by “them” I mean those that have suffered extreme degredation, cultural and social damage. Those that have been mistreated in this way are the ones that can decide they are willing to forgive and forget.
Given the huge size of the transgressions and that there continues to exist active racism and the ugly consequences thereof, I’d imagine that this forgive and forget concept is still out in the future somewhere.
Perhaps when black people are no longer suffering the effects of the past that was inflicted on them they might be more inclined to let bygones be bygones? I hope you can see the fairness of that concept…
I think everyone, well everyone who isn’t actively racist, wants things to move forward so that these issues can be resolved and removed from the list of issues that need to be dealt with.
One thing you can do, as a white person, is to accept that black people have the right to decide what they do or don’t want to do with respect to any “resolution” or “release” of this issue.
You can also research the issues as they were in the past in order to understand other viewpoints and avoid listening to happy sounding rhetoric which is shared by racist groups.
In short, try to not to be sharing and promoting the same talking points as racist groups. If you find yourself in that situation, you need to find a different way to express yourself… or you are actually helping to promote their viewpoint – which they work very hard to make sound appropriate and acceptable.
Think about it. An open discourse is good and we can all learn from it, no matter our race.[/quote]
There were way too many big words in here for Lorisco to understand, Vroom. It is a waste to engage in a battle of wits with those that appear unarmed.