From a practical perspective, that’s the kind of racist I like:
Sufficiently educated or intelligent not to do something stupid.
But not sufficiently so to rally others to his views.
Should there be any truth to this, white people everywhere should kick back and marvel at their own magnificence and not bother themselves with such petty things as ‘‘inferior races’’
We present thy with the White Cloack (with matching White Hat, size will vary but begin at L to accomodate our members’ bigger heads) so that you may go about the world spreading the Truth.
It will be glorious, GLORIOUS!!!
AlexH.
A question remains though, why can’t we let morons be morons.
These threads get a life of their own and I for one am all for a curative abortion.
Africa hasn’t accomplished much in the past century for one reason and one reason alone, shithead: what white people did to it. Period.
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This is completely untrue. Africa is “backwards” compared to European/Asian civilization because of geographic, agricultural and domesticated livestock reasons.
I suggest you read “Guns, Germs and Steel” by Jared Diamond.
While the European attempts to conquer/colonize Africa sure didn’t help, they did not put Africa in the position it is in. Tens of thousands of years of history did.
Skin color and genetics have nothing to do with any of it.[/quote]
While I am not impressed with Diamond’s general idea, whom I’ve read, your last sentence I couldn’t agree with more.
Some cultures are more successful than others, but skin color has nothing to do with it. This idea that ‘white’ cultures have outpaced ‘black’ cultures is foolish, in the sense that if you put people of any color in a culture that is ‘succeeding’, their color isn’t going to hold them back on a biological level.
It’s the institutions and the ideas that make the culture successful, not ethnicity.
[quote]doogie wrote:
So it wasn’t evil Europeans who brought the blight of slavery on Africa. Does the fact Africans had an internal slave trade indicate to you that they were more advanced than Europe? [/quote]
I think you misunderstand. The Europeans may not have created the concept (as slaves were present in the Bible with Jews being racially enslaved), however, Portugal, Spain, France and England were the ones who made this the overwhemingly powerful economic institution that it became by the 1700’s. Asking who was more advanced leaves me wondering what your point is. The Egyptians were far ahead of most other cultures in ancient times. Many of the concepts held in Greek culture were the direct result of borrowing technology from Africa and building upon it. These weren’t stupid people just sitting around waiting to be conquered by Europeans. Slavery EVOLVED into the outright degrading act that it became, whereas anciently, slavery had much more to do with being a servant or working off a debt than outright ownership of a human being.
Because they were manipulative and knew how to lie to get what they wanted. That is like asking how the Europeans committed germ warfare on the Native Americans through the use of smallpox on traded bedsheets. The main point here, however, is that it was much more complicated than simple “european dominance” in the beginning.
In relation, had the Native Americans understood from the beginning that the goal was to wipe them off the face of the globe and take over all of their land, do you think that Europeans would have made it past one night in America? They slowly worked their hand, often using Native Americans as guides and agricultural experts. The Europeans weren’t that damned advanced. Without the help of Native Americans, they would not have survived the New World. I expect the same concept is true in Africa.
I can’t believe my fucking eyes. I read this thread and I’m filled with disbelief. What kind of socially incompetent ass-clowns are we stuck with on this planet?
Humans, all of us, are capable of both great good and great harm. Dividing up credit or blame for things that have happened on our planet is a fools errand.
A downtrodden group, traditionally taken advantage of and treated like shit, demoralized for generations, needs to restore a sense of pride, to empower themselves, to allow things to equalize, to help personally understand and believe that they can and should be important in society.
To sit here and claim that you are part of some group that has achieved more, as if that has anything to do with your own value as a human being, is incredibly arrogant, racist and stupid.
It’s wonderful to see hicks, rednecks and racist slime pat themselves on the back for thinking they somehow accrue credit for the actions of intelligent or hard working people.
Stupid ass-clowns. Personally develop beyond ignorance and find a way to contributed to society, then you can be proud of yourself. Finding pride in the supposed superiority of your ancestors just makes you a complete and utter asshole.
Just about everyone here sees it, knows it, and simply realizes what a low life piece of shit you really are when you do that.
I am still amazed that any of this…even one word, needed to be explained. That alone shows there is a huge problem and we are far from the point at which we can pretend as if racism has died off to the point that there is no need for outward programs for development and education in the black community.
[quote]vroom wrote:
I can’t believe my fucking eyes. I read this thread and I’m filled with disbelief. What kind of socially incompetent ass-clowns are we stuck with on this planet?
Humans, all of us, are capable of both great good and great harm. Dividing up credit or blame for things that have happened on our planet is a fools errand.
A downtrodden group, traditionally taken advantage of and treated like shit, demoralized for generations, needs to restore a sense of pride, to empower themselves, to allow things to equalize, to help personally understand and believe that they can and should be important in society.
To sit here and claim that you are part of some group that has achieved more, as if that has anything to do with your own value as a human being, is incredibly arrogant, racist and stupid.
It’s wonderful to see hicks, rednecks and racist slime pat themselves on the back for thinking they somehow accrue credit for the actions of intelligent or hard working people.
Stupid ass-clowns. Personally develop beyond ignorance and find a way to contributed to society, then you can be proud of yourself. Finding pride in the supposed superiority of your ancestors just makes you a complete and utter asshole.
Just about everyone here sees it, knows it, and simply realizes what a low life piece of shit you really are when you do that.
That’s all.[/quote]
Vroom just as I see fit to be proud of my family’s accomplishments I also see it fit to be proud of my culture’s accomplishments. You say that I am an ass-clown for doing so but if i had a black guy next to me making similar statements for being proud of his culture you probably wouldn’t be offended. I think that it is ok to be proud but generally not ok to feel superior which i have to reason to beleive. You should ask prof X to give us some more black history stuff so you won’t be so easily offended and may learn something
[quote]lumbernac wrote:
Sometimes i wish that this whole slavery thing never happened just to save the arguements. Anybody else beleive the same thing? For differnt reasons?[/quote]
SOMETIMES? Just to save arguments?
How about wishing it never happened to prevent the suffering of millions of men, women and children?
[quote]elars21 wrote:
lumbernac wrote:
Sometimes i wish that this whole slavery thing never happened just to save the arguements. Anybody else beleive the same thing? For differnt reasons?
SOMETIMES? Just to save arguments?
How about wishing it never happened to prevent the suffering of millions of men, women and children?[/quote]
What happened in the past with slavery was wrong. But would all the black people now in America rather be in Africa. Locusts, starvation, aids and civil war are all very common things in africa, not so much in the states. And white people accomplished many good things. Anyone who disagrees is a fool.
[quote]vroom wrote:
I can’t believe my fucking eyes. I read this thread and I’m filled with disbelief. What kind of socially incompetent ass-clowns are we stuck with on this planet?
Humans, all of us, are capable of both great good and great harm. Dividing up credit or blame for things that have happened on our planet is a fools errand.
A downtrodden group, traditionally taken advantage of and treated like shit, demoralized for generations, needs to restore a sense of pride, to empower themselves, to allow things to equalize, to help personally understand and believe that they can and should be important in society.
To sit here and claim that you are part of some group that has achieved more, as if that has anything to do with your own value as a human being, is incredibly arrogant, racist and stupid.
It’s wonderful to see hicks, rednecks and racist slime pat themselves on the back for thinking they somehow accrue credit for the actions of intelligent or hard working people.
Stupid ass-clowns. Personally develop beyond ignorance and find a way to contributed to society, then you can be proud of yourself. Finding pride in the supposed superiority of your ancestors just makes you a complete and utter asshole.
Just about everyone here sees it, knows it, and simply realizes what a low life piece of shit you really are when you do that.
That’s all.[/quote]
. You can be proud of your ancestry without being rascist. Your a smart guy but your political correctness has gone haywire.
If you are white. Sorry vroom i disagree w/ that although i do agree w/ your feelings of wanting to help disadvantaged groups get what they deserve. [/quote]
Hey, dumbernac…
Have you ever heard the saying, “If one person says something, it’s his opinion. If ten people say something, it’s the truth”?
Do you think everyone is wrong? Do you think this is some sort of poitical correct cabal conspiring to keep you down? Or, is it possible, that you might be ignorant?
Now, you keep babbling about how proud you of your race. What exactly is your race? Where are your people from? (It should be easy for you to tell us, since as a white man, your ancestors came here of their own free will, instead of being captured or chased.)
Where are you? And (again, since you didn’t answer me the first time), what do you do with your all the free time you save by not reading? How old are you, etc.
Until you tell us juuuuuuust a little about yourself, I think everybody should just ignore you. I’m gonna.
[quote]harris447 wrote:
lumbernac wrote:
Well you cana’t be both :
Proud of your ancestry
&
Not-racist
If you are white. Sorry vroom i disagree w/ that although i do agree w/ your feelings of wanting to help disadvantaged groups get what they deserve.
Hey, dumbernac…
Have you ever heard the saying, “If one person says something, it’s his opinion. If ten people say something, it’s the truth”?
Im not going to use popularity of opinion as a standard for any kind of truth. The logic of these truths will win or lose and is enough for me.
Do you think everyone is wrong?
[/quote]
I dont think that everybody is wrong. I think that they are arguing from more emotional reasons than me. Because it was wrong what white people did to slaves , indians and several other groups so now we are not allowed to feel proud of ourselves. Every time i have mentioned that i am proud, the very notion is ridiculed. I have yet to see somebody ridicule prof x for feeling proud of his culture. As vroom mentioned this is b/c disadvantaged groups should by principle feel proud of themselves b/c they need equal standing w/ other groups. This i agree with however i dont agree w/ the liberals that say i shouldnt be proud of my group.
[quote]
Do you think this is some sort of poitical correct cabal conspiring to keep you down? Or, is it possible, that you might be ignorant?[/quote]
Im not ignorant since i am responding w/ facts but i am admittedly not PC and i am not caring about social norms of a caucasian being not particularly proud of his group.
That is true i do feel sorry for other groups that have been disadvantaged. But as far as your question goes my ancestors are primarily from England. They came w/ the original pilgrims.
I am 22 living in Texas. I am a college student majoring in Finance. I work at a gas station right now its not a glamorous job but it pays the bills. Next Year i hope to start on a Masters of Science in Accounting and take some additional coursework in corporate finance - im going to be a student for the rest of my life but im a capitalist.
I have been a member of Habitat for Humanity in the past as well as a fraternity that started at my college. I have also participated in Big Brothers Big Sisters while it was around here- not anymore. I like reading, in the 7th
grade i got the 2nd highest score in my class for accelerated reader…This German dude got first go figure.
[quote]lumbernac wrote:
Every time i have mentioned that i am proud, the very notion is ridiculed. I have yet to see somebody ridicule prof x for feeling proud of his culture.
[/quote]
Why do you keep bringing my name up? You have done this in over half of your posts. Not one person has said anything about you not being able to feel proud of your culture. Tell us, what did your family do in England? What kinds of songs did they listen to? What did they wear? I love history and learning about other cultures…so tell us, with the advantage of having a linear ancestry that you can track, give us details about your culture…from England. You have talked it up so much that I am waiting for amazing details.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
lumbernac wrote:
Every time i have mentioned that i am proud, the very notion is ridiculed. I have yet to see somebody ridicule prof x for feeling proud of his culture.
Why do you keep bringing my name up? You have done this in over half of your posts. Not one person has said anything about you not being able to feel proud of your culture. Tell us, what did your family do in England? What kinds of songs did they listen to? What did they wear? I love history and learning about other cultures…so tell us, with the advantage of having a linear ancestry that you can track, give us details about your culture…from England. You have talked it up so much that I am waiting for amazing details. [/quote]
Prof X i am using you as an example of how it is ok for everybody to feel proud of their culture. When i do so for myself i am ridiculed for the very notion. Im not trying to make this into a Prof X personal type of thread. No one is ever going to tell a black guy that he shouldnt be proud of who he is. B/c blacks have historically been shit on, and people feel they need a greater sense of pride to overcome and dominate this. However, I can and will feel a sense of pride for who i am including white people in general. To awnser your question my family came over w/ the pilgrims as far as i know so they listened to home spun kinds of music . Actually my family is kind of bland until you look at the career and charity accomplishments side of things - my family feels a duty to give of itself so its almost a requirement to give time to something to help out others. I have an uncle that has done habitat for humanity for years… another has a disabled family living w/ him that need help getting on their feet. My dad does leukemia society stuff. Another uncle does…nothing. Stuff like that impresses me. Im sorry that you aren’t
Well Vayapada. said ?Why? It’s not as though we had much to do with it
Harris said that I cant be proud , but has ridiculed the reasoning for doing so ? Yeah, Europeans did do a lot. Of course, they had slaves from Africa doing all the heavy lifting.?
Snipeout has noticed this as well ? Why is white pride such a shame while black pride is something so proud. People are so worried about offending other races that they supress their feelings about their own. ?
In a later post Harris brought up a number of things as counter-examples to me being proud. Like his Sat?s SUV?s post and all that.
In a later post still : ? Y’know what else white people invented? Grammar and punctuation. It kind of undercuts your “we’re much much better than you” argument when the white guy writes like a retard and the black guy (who’s a medical doctor, I seem to recall) gets Strunk and White’s approval.
So, really: knock off the white power bullshit, please. ?
Fightin Irish came and quickly left and gave this as reason not to feel proud of being white ? Y’know what else white people invented? Grammar and punctuation. It kind of undercuts your “we’re much much better than you” argument when the white guy writes like a retard and the black guy (who’s a medical doctor, I seem to recall) gets Strunk and White’s approval.
So, really: knock off the white power bullshit, please. ?
X : here?s the point; Its apparently pretty offensive to feel proud of yourself if you fall into a majority group. I don?t really care about this social norm ? the whole forum can get over it.
Dude you are a fucktard. When Prof X wakes up he’s gonna tear you a new one w/ his arguements. Racism is on a downward trend man, and going out of style quick.
Why derive your sense of self-worth or self-respect from your lineage or the actions of others? If it helps you get through the day - that’s great.
I would rather live for today, giving some thought for tomorrow. Learning lessons from the past is important, but I think there are more useful things to take pride in than identity or another’s conduct.