[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
Too many people worry about doing the ‘basics’ because that’s what they are told they have to do. Bottom line, if an exercise is not working for you, or you just don’t feel you get anything out of it, drop it. There are always alternatives, as you’ve already found.
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Exactly.
Problems only arise when people use a bastardization of this thinking as an excuse to not do “hard” exercises.
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
Too many people worry about doing the ‘basics’ because that’s what they are told they have to do. Bottom line, if an exercise is not working for you, or you just don’t feel you get anything out of it, drop it. There are always alternatives, as you’ve already found.
S
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Listen to Stu, he is the man!
I tried BB rows for a while, but I can never go above 136 without it feeling like a terrible balancing act. I stick with DB rows, or better known as “Kroc Rows” 
Row on a bench, squeeze at the top, and get a good stretch at the bottom
Having said what I already have, for ME, PERSONALLY, heavy BB rows are what I attribute the vast majority of my back development too.
Do 'em both…except swap out chest-supported rows for these:
You can’t go to heavy on 'em, but if you’ve been having trouble “feeling” your back work, this shoudl do the trick
[quote]on edge wrote:
Breathing is over-rated. Seriously, you only need one or two, maybe three breaths in a set. [/quote]
Really?! I’m breathing in on the concentric everytime.
[quote]plateau wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
Breathing is over-rated. Seriously, you only need one or two, maybe three breaths in a set. [/quote]
Really?! I’m breathing in on the concentric everytime.
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Yeah I dunno about that on edge…me, I’m big into breathing with each rep, be it squats, rows, bench, pullovers, deadlift, etc etc. I think I might pass out if I tried breathing ever 3-4 reps…
I feel like they are two different lifts and you can’t even compare them.
Bent over rows: Stand a bit more upright and pull into your bellybutton to trash your lower lats and mid back
Chest supported: forced to row towards your nipples so it hits all the good upper back meat.
That being said, I’m not a fan of Chest supported rows. At least with the setup we have at my gym.
I like chest supported rows but I definitely would do them 1 arm at a time. Much easier on the breathing.
I haven’t done BOR in a while due to minimzing lower back fatigue.
Might give 1-arm supported rows a whirl then, it will put new life into the weight of the dumbbells anyway!
[quote]trav123456 wrote:
If you do strict BB rows (no torso movement) then you’ll have virtually no lowerback fatigue. Most people like to use loose form with rows and such though which is fine, but it does hit the LB a bit in the process.[/quote]
x99, do them with the form that Dorian Yates suggests and it’s no problem. I deadlift the day before every back session and my lowback is fine. I think the problem people run in to is using something to heavy which allows the weight to pull their shoulders forward at the bottom of the movement, compromising your lowback tightness/arch.
[quote]ashylarryku wrote:
Listen to Stu, he is the man!
I tried BB rows for a while, but I can never go above 136 without it feeling like a terrible balancing act. I stick with DB rows, or better known as “Kroc Rows”
Row on a bench, squeeze at the top, and get a good stretch at the bottom[/quote]
Sounds like you are leaning over too far, your weight should be on your heels when you are BB rowing.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
[quote]ashylarryku wrote:
Listen to Stu, he is the man!
I tried BB rows for a while, but I can never go above 136 without it feeling like a terrible balancing act. I stick with DB rows, or better known as “Kroc Rows”
Row on a bench, squeeze at the top, and get a good stretch at the bottom[/quote]
Sounds like you are leaning over too far, your weight should be on your heels when you are BB rowing. [/quote]
Yeah I think I just gave up on them after a month lol. That was when I first started, and before I deadlifted or squatted somewhat properly so I never used my heels for anything. I might have to swap them back in for DBs after a while.
Has anyone used BB rows from pins? I saw them in one of the I,BB videos and it looked like a solid exercise
[quote]ashylarryku wrote:
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
[quote]ashylarryku wrote:
Listen to Stu, he is the man!
I tried BB rows for a while, but I can never go above 136 without it feeling like a terrible balancing act. I stick with DB rows, or better known as “Kroc Rows”
Row on a bench, squeeze at the top, and get a good stretch at the bottom[/quote]
Sounds like you are leaning over too far, your weight should be on your heels when you are BB rowing. [/quote]
Yeah I think I just gave up on them after a month lol. That was when I first started, and before I deadlifted or squatted somewhat properly so I never used my heels for anything. I might have to swap them back in for DBs after a while.
Has anyone used BB rows from pins? I saw them in one of the I,BB videos and it looked like a solid exercise[/quote]
I know Hungry4More was doing these as well as a power-shrug movement from the pins that seems to be working for him. I actually like the row from pins movement compared to straight BOR as it allows me to make sure my back is tight and I don’t roll my shoulders like Way mentioned.
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
[quote]plateau wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
Breathing is over-rated. Seriously, you only need one or two, maybe three breaths in a set. [/quote]
Really?! I’m breathing in on the concentric everytime.
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Yeah I dunno about that on edge…me, I’m big into breathing with each rep, be it squats, rows, bench, pullovers, deadlift, etc etc. I think I might pass out if I tried breathing ever 3-4 reps…[/quote]
I’ll be doing them on Friday. I’ll make it a point to pay attention to my breathing and experiment with it. I agree on movements like Squats & Deadlift, I don’t know about STB Rows though, seems like you shouldn’t need too.
You know, elite level sprinters only take a few breaths in a 100m dash. Someone like Belligerent would know the range, but I think it’s only in the range of something like 6-8.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
[quote]trav123456 wrote:
If you do strict BB rows (no torso movement) then you’ll have virtually no lowerback fatigue. Most people like to use loose form with rows and such though which is fine, but it does hit the LB a bit in the process.[/quote]
x99, do them with the form that Dorian Yates suggests and it’s no problem. I deadlift the day before every back session and my lowback is fine. I think the problem people run in to is using something to heavy which allows the weight to pull their shoulders forward at the bottom of the movement, compromising your lowback tightness/arch.[/quote]
Here’s me doing 225x7 3 weeks ago just so people have an idea. What kind of weight are you using with this Way? Is your form kind of like my vid here?
I used to have issues with BB rowing. Turns out I was trying to use too much weight and my form sucked. I love them now and they are pretty much a staple exercise for me.
I say no on chest supported Tbars. A. Cant fucking breath with the bench there. B. The way the chest supported are built, you bring the weight up higher than youd want to. When you bring it up that high, your taking some of the stress from the lats and distributing through the traps and rhomboids. Barbell rows all the way. Just be sure to bring the weight to your waist. Thats where the back is in a safer position, and your lats in an anatomically strong position. Head up, eyes up, ass out, back arch, and barbell to your waist.
[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
I say no on chest supported Tbars. A. Cant fucking breath with the bench there. B. The way the chest supported are built, you bring the weight up higher than youd want to. When you bring it up that high, your taking some of the stress from the lats and distributing through the traps and rhomboids. Barbell rows all the way. Just be sure to bring the weight to your waist. Thats where the back is in a safer position, and your lats in an anatomically strong position. Head up, eyes up, ass out, back arch, and barbell to your waist.[/quote]
I thought most people rowed for upper back, lol. Although I know you can do rows to hit lats but personally, I prefer pull up’s/pulldowns for lats. Oh and lol @ that vid of “head supported rows”
[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
I say no on chest supported Tbars. A. Cant fucking breath with the bench there. B. The way the chest supported are built, you bring the weight up higher than youd want to. When you bring it up that high, your taking some of the stress from the lats and distributing through the traps and rhomboids. Barbell rows all the way. Just be sure to bring the weight to your waist. Thats where the back is in a safer position, and your lats in an anatomically strong position. Head up, eyes up, ass out, back arch, and barbell to your waist.[/quote]
I do chest-supported rows because I want to be able to hit more of my upper back than my lats, without having to worry about straining my lower back by leaning forward.
I think that if you’re already T-bar/cable rowing, and barbell rowing into the stomach (especially with a shoulder-width grip), then you should include some rowing to the chest in your routine for complete back development.
I don’t see bent rows and chest supported rows as an “either/or”, because they each serve a different purpose in the routine.
[quote]trav123456 wrote:
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
[quote]trav123456 wrote:
If you do strict BB rows (no torso movement) then you’ll have virtually no lowerback fatigue. Most people like to use loose form with rows and such though which is fine, but it does hit the LB a bit in the process.[/quote]
x99, do them with the form that Dorian Yates suggests and it’s no problem. I deadlift the day before every back session and my lowback is fine. I think the problem people run in to is using something to heavy which allows the weight to pull their shoulders forward at the bottom of the movement, compromising your lowback tightness/arch.[/quote]
Here’s me doing 225x7 3 weeks ago just so people have an idea. What kind of weight are you using with this Way? Is your form kind of like my vid here?
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My legs are more bent where as yours kinda straighten out, but yah that’s essentially the same rowing form I use.
340x6 last time