In all fairness, if I were to include insurance then about $30/month
[quote]yvanehtnioj wrote:
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Ha! Join the navy.
Thats pretty clever.
I never really cared where my meat came from but, since starting a high fat diet I try to make sure it is the best possible.
Matt Poteet:
Is All of This Organic (Expensive) Meat Necessary?
The short answer to the question is no, the quality ?organic? meat is not necessary to make this diet work. Your abs won?t pop any better, there will be not a single additional striation in your pecs. So why go to the trouble? Well, a couple of reasons. First and foremost, this is an article about my opinion on how to optimize the diet. Optimizing the diet includes not only physical results, but also your health. It does little good to spend your life trying to look ?awesome? if you spend the last 25% of it in a hospital or with some debilitating chronic disease. Am I being an alarmist? Perhaps. But perhaps I am not and I would be able to sleep very well at night if I didn?t give you my full opinion on food quality.
Meat is more than just a ?food group?. Even though it takes up only one section of the typical american plate at dinner, its impact is far greater than the vegetables, fruits, and starches that gather beside it. Meat is concentrated nutrition. In effect, it is the sum total of everything that animal had eaten and experienced in its environment during its lifetime. The animal?s body is much like ours in that it is very resilient; it is capable of dealing with many offenses and still surviving and appearing healthy. Some offenses, such as keeping the animal in cramped, unsanitary quarters do not filter down into the meat that it produces for us. Sure, there is an argument to be made for e.coli 157H7 stemming directly from these cramped and unsanitary living conditions and that is very true and a topic for another day. Speaking completely in a vacuum about internal food quality of the meat, the animal survives pretty well. Other offenses do make it into the meat. Artificial growth hormones, anabolic and estrogenic steroids, and environmental pesticides and herbicides all make it into the meat that you are eating. These lipophilic molecules are absorbed into the fatty portions of the meat and collect there over time, like a nasty Christmas present waiting for your body to open. In the case of the pesticides and herbicides, they collect over the entire lifetime of the animal, lying in wait in that juicy steak for you.
The proponents of conventional meat will say that these things have been thoroughly tested and have been found to be innocuous to humans. But the simple fact is, these substances collect in your tissues when you eat the contaminated meat as well and accumulate over years of consumption. Do you see where this is going? There simply are no long term studies on these chemicals in the amounts that we have the potential to store in our bodies over the course of many years of life. Being that many of these chemicals act upon the central nervous system of insects and other critters to produce their effects, and being that we have a nervous system as well that has a lot of chemical similarities to others in the animal kingdom, I think the wisest course of action is to greatly limit the amount of these toxins that the body is exposed to. It may turn out to be nothing, but then again it may turn out to be something big. Why take the chance with your 60 year old future self? This is even more critical on a diet like the Anabolic Diet, when meat is being consumed in large quantities. Eat natural foods whenever possible.
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
[quote]browndisaster wrote:
[quote]strangemeadow wrote:
[quote]browndisaster wrote:
good luck and I hope the wife gets a new job soon
$200/week is absurd, I agree with giving up the expensive pasture food. I say eat carbs! I don’t see people getting big without moderate carb intake. Potatoes and rice are super cheap and are great sources of carbs. Also to save money I would really cut back on the meat, I used to get much of my protein from a high quality whey/casein/egg blend that you can get for < $10 a pound easily. Homeade greek yogurt is great as well, $3 for a gallon can’t be beat.[/quote]
Please post how to and recipe for homemade Greek Yogurt![/quote]
it’s really easy, I just take a gallon of milk, get it to boil gently over medium low heat, then wait for it to cool a bit. When it’s cooled enough to the point where it doesn’t burn your finger when you dip it in, add ~2 cups of yogurt. I just use the previous batch or some storebought greek yogurt. From there I cover it and let it sit closed in the oven for about 10 hours. If it’s really cold or warm it’ll obviously effect the batch, but I’ve never had one come out badly. You can drain off the whey to reduce the carbs.
I use whole milk or 2% usually. The higher the fat the thicker it’ll come out. In mexico they make yogurt with heavy cream, amazing but too fatty for me to have daily.[/quote]
What temperature does the over have to be on? [/quote]
…just FST7 it
If it’s warm I don’t bother. In the winter I just turn the oven on for a couple of minutes before popping it in. A closed oven will actually retain the heat for a long time. This is good to do before bed as it needs 10-12ish hours to set.
Ridiculous that you are worried about bulking with your wife out of work. WTF kinda sense does that make? You sound very selfish in your posts. Maybe just this one time you think about someone besides yourself. YOU need to re-read your priorities. When is the last time you’ve had a swift kick in the ass?
[quote]Ronan wrote:
Ridiculous that you are worried about bulking with your wife out of work. WTF kinda sense does that make? You sound very selfish in your posts. Maybe just this one time you think about someone besides yourself. YOU need to re-read your priorities. When is the last time you’ve had a swift kick in the ass?[/quote]
x 1,000,000,000
[quote]Ronan wrote:
Ridiculous that you are worried about bulking with your wife out of work. WTF kinda sense does that make? You sound very selfish in your posts. Maybe just this one time you think about someone besides yourself. YOU need to re-read your priorities. When is the last time you’ve had a swift kick in the ass?[/quote]
Don’t you guys know you’re judged heavily on these boards by how much muscle you carry. If I don’t bulk up, apparently I shouldn’t be giving advice…
You could also use the current circumstances as an opportunity to dick around with your diet setup. Once I switched my outlook on meals and their frequency and timing, I started to spend less on food without even trying. All the while getting the same kcals or more. While I can appreciate the desire (not need) for organic foods there are still plenty of options to keep the intake up. I have kinda bastardized an IF setup and never eat before training at noon (lifting or conditioning). I eat 2 large meals, sometimes 3 and it is easy.
All I’m saying is step out from the dogma and mess with the setup. None of this fixed the organic desire but eating less meals while getting the same kcals is cheaper. It sounds absurd I know, but it has saved me $$.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]Ronan wrote:
Ridiculous that you are worried about bulking with your wife out of work. WTF kinda sense does that make? You sound very selfish in your posts. Maybe just this one time you think about someone besides yourself. YOU need to re-read your priorities. When is the last time you’ve had a swift kick in the ass?[/quote]
Don’t you guys know you’re judged heavily on these boards by how much muscle you carry. If I don’t bulk up, apparently I shouldn’t be giving advice…[/quote]
Okay valid point so how many of the big guys were eating grass fed high dollar products?
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]Ronan wrote:
Ridiculous that you are worried about bulking with your wife out of work. WTF kinda sense does that make? You sound very selfish in your posts. Maybe just this one time you think about someone besides yourself. YOU need to re-read your priorities. When is the last time you’ve had a swift kick in the ass?[/quote]
Don’t you guys know you’re judged heavily on these boards by how much muscle you carry. If I don’t bulk up, apparently I shouldn’t be giving advice…[/quote]
The way I’m reading it, you shouldn’t be giving anything, & that includes seminal fluids.
sell your toy car
put your loans on forebearence
tally up your expenses figure out how many new clients or new kinds of income you need
stop buying protein powder
or any extraneous shite that you spend on .
20lbs of rice and several hole chickens cost very little
hainanese chicken google it
man and grow a pair get a second job and stop asking people over the internet that
asks if I am as stupid
as my writing makes me out to be.
[quote]strangemeadow wrote:
[quote]browndisaster wrote:
good luck and I hope the wife gets a new job soon
$200/week is absurd, I agree with giving up the expensive pasture food. I say eat carbs! I don’t see people getting big without moderate carb intake. Potatoes and rice are super cheap and are great sources of carbs. Also to save money I would really cut back on the meat, I used to get much of my protein from a high quality whey/casein/egg blend that you can get for < $10 a pound easily. Homeade greek yogurt is great as well, $3 for a gallon can’t be beat.[/quote]
Please post how to and recipe for homemade Greek Yogurt![/quote]
Strangemeadow -
Here’s my DIY greek yogurt thread if you are interested.
JFitness - Normally, I don’t think we can live our lives according to what might happen, but in this case that’s exactly what you need to do. Assume that your wife might be out of work for a year. Make financial decisions accordingly. I’ve seen this in several friends and family members. They wait too long to start cutting back their expenses or finding a second job or whatever it takes to keep afloat.
On the relationship side, you want to send a message to your wife that “We’re a team and we’re in this together.” My brother experienced a slowdown in his work last year. It was worse for them, because his job accounts for 80-90% of family income. His wife STILL hasn’t slowed down her spending a bit. She either doesn’t know how, or is just unwilling to adjust things down. Seriously, the UPS truck arrives at their house nearly everyday. You’d think she’d be interested in reducing his stress. It’s a bad situation.
Life must be pretty damn good if your diet is what you’re most concerned about, right now.
OP,
If your expenses are greater than your income AND you don’t have appreciable savings, you need to cut some expenses. Organize them from large to small, prioritize level of importance and start cutting.
And I hope you’re including your wife if she’s half or more of your income. I would guess your 50-55% estimate probably includes a strong curve to save face.
When she does get back on her feet, keep your cuts in place until you accumulate at least six months savings for your previous budget before reverting back to it.
You may enjoy expensive things but you literally can’t buy shit with out money, much less health and this won’t be your only bump unless you foresee a huge jump in income and appropriate it wisely.
[quote]Mateus wrote:
You could also use the current circumstances as an opportunity to dick around with your diet setup. Once I switched my outlook on meals and their frequency and timing, I started to spend less on food without even trying. All the while getting the same kcals or more. While I can appreciate the desire (not need) for organic foods there are still plenty of options to keep the intake up. I have kinda bastardized an IF setup and never eat before training at noon (lifting or conditioning). I eat 2 large meals, sometimes 3 and it is easy.
All I’m saying is step out from the dogma and mess with the setup. None of this fixed the organic desire but eating less meals while getting the same kcals is cheaper. It sounds absurd I know, but it has saved me $$. [/quote]
Good advice, I’ve definitely used this past week to re-examine somethings and think about tinkering.
[quote]imhungry wrote:
Life must be pretty damn good if your diet is what you’re most concerned about, right now.[/quote]
LOL, good point.
It’s not what I’m most concerned about, though it is a concern 
it’s just the part I’m willing to share/discuss on here.
[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
[quote]strangemeadow wrote:
[quote]browndisaster wrote:
good luck and I hope the wife gets a new job soon
$200/week is absurd, I agree with giving up the expensive pasture food. I say eat carbs! I don’t see people getting big without moderate carb intake. Potatoes and rice are super cheap and are great sources of carbs. Also to save money I would really cut back on the meat, I used to get much of my protein from a high quality whey/casein/egg blend that you can get for < $10 a pound easily. Homeade greek yogurt is great as well, $3 for a gallon can’t be beat.[/quote]
Please post how to and recipe for homemade Greek Yogurt![/quote]
Strangemeadow -
Here’s my DIY greek yogurt thread if you are interested.
JFitness - Normally, I don’t think we can live our lives according to what might happen, but in this case that’s exactly what you need to do. Assume that your wife might be out of work for a year. Make financial decisions accordingly. I’ve seen this in several friends and family members. They wait too long to start cutting back their expenses or finding a second job or whatever it takes to keep afloat.
On the relationship side, you want to send a message to your wife that “We’re a team and we’re in this together.” My brother experienced a slowdown in his work last year. It was worse for them, because his job accounts for 80-90% of family income. His wife STILL hasn’t slowed down her spending a bit. She either doesn’t know how, or is just unwilling to adjust things down. Seriously, the UPS truck arrives at their house nearly everyday. You’d think she’d be interested in reducing his stress. It’s a bad situation. [/quote]
PowerPuff- Thank you!
[quote]IchibodCrane wrote:
OP,
If your expenses are greater than your income AND you don’t have appreciable savings, you need to cut some expenses. Organize them from large to small, prioritize level of importance and start cutting.
And I hope you’re including your wife if she’s half or more of your income. I would guess your 50-55% estimate probably includes a strong curve to save face.
When she does get back on her feet, keep your cuts in place until you accumulate at least six months savings for your previous budget before reverting back to it.
You may enjoy expensive things but you literally can’t buy shit with out money, much less health and this won’t be your only bump unless you foresee a huge jump in income and appropriate it wisely.[/quote]
About to leave will touch on other stuff soon, as for saving face, I don’t blame you thinking that. The reason I listed that range is because part of my income fluctuates (independent contractor part-time).
I have no problem with a woman earning more than me, in fact I encourage and hope for it
[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
[quote]strangemeadow wrote:
[quote]browndisaster wrote:
good luck and I hope the wife gets a new job soon
$200/week is absurd, I agree with giving up the expensive pasture food. I say eat carbs! I don’t see people getting big without moderate carb intake. Potatoes and rice are super cheap and are great sources of carbs. Also to save money I would really cut back on the meat, I used to get much of my protein from a high quality whey/casein/egg blend that you can get for < $10 a pound easily. Homeade greek yogurt is great as well, $3 for a gallon can’t be beat.[/quote]
Please post how to and recipe for homemade Greek Yogurt![/quote]
Strangemeadow -
Here’s my DIY greek yogurt thread if you are interested.
JFitness - Normally, I don’t think we can live our lives according to what might happen, but in this case that’s exactly what you need to do. Assume that your wife might be out of work for a year. Make financial decisions accordingly. I’ve seen this in several friends and family members. They wait too long to start cutting back their expenses or finding a second job or whatever it takes to keep afloat.
On the relationship side, you want to send a message to your wife that “We’re a team and we’re in this together.” My brother experienced a slowdown in his work last year. It was worse for them, because his job accounts for 80-90% of family income. His wife STILL hasn’t slowed down her spending a bit. She either doesn’t know how, or is just unwilling to adjust things down. Seriously, the UPS truck arrives at their house nearly everyday. You’d think she’d be interested in reducing his stress. It’s a bad situation. [/quote]
Thanks. Yeah, we have been on a budget prior so we already made some adjustments for this month and reduced budgeted spending by $1,000. Next month we can trim a little more if need be (TV will be the next to go).
Other than that, the only other area we could cut back on would be puttng student loans on deferment or forebearance.
We don’t spend a lot of money on “stupid” stuff, most of the extra goes to paying off the vet bills and extra food/supplements
Also, she’s kind of down about the whole thing but I’m trying to be as supportive as I can, and she’s never been a spender anyways so I don’t have to worry about her going out and buying stupid crap.
I am of the mind that if yo’re going to try and eat over 4000 calories ( just for example) a day there’s little chance you’re going to do it if you want to go low carb and only eat veggies and meat…I mean unless you’re eating a whole block of cheese I don’t know how you’re going to do it.
I mean I’m of the mind that a Big Mac (which is only about 600 cals) will not hurt you, and you could ditch the fries and just have another Big Mac.
I would like to see pics of the guys who have trouble eating a lot…or at least guys who have trouble eating 3000+ calories. To me it’s like guys saying they have trouble falling down, like they do it too slow.