I reckon you should do background search on this guy and get back to us
im a trained boxer and i have some training in a few other things, and im a young guy so in situations like that im usually pretty confident, even cocky. But if I were 145lbs or so like you say and that guy was over 200 then i think the right thing was done, as much as it might suck, thats just the way it has to be sometimes. But seriously talk to you sister and mom, you dont have to take that shit. if all else fails i would move out.
[quote]Therizza wrote:
no need to talk about guns, I don’t think you can own a gun in the UK unless its like a 100 year old shotgun or your a cop/soldier right?[/quote]
Gun? Hell, this is the UK. I don’t think he’s allowed to even use a pointed stick to protect himself.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
You did fine. It’s your house, and odds are if you went outside he would’ve fucked your day up.
Smart kings just raise the drawbridge on the castle… they don’t fight outside the walls. [/quote]
Best advice in thread.
P.S. gain some fucking weight.
so i hear what youre saying completely but on a much lower scale. my parents are divorced as well and i think a lot of people commenting here didnt grow up in a separated home because when youre the “man of the house” from the age of eight you dont just leave.
my sister is older than me but got in with the wrong crowd when i was about 13-15 and they would always come over when my mom was at work, you know supporting us, and things would always get bad. i would do my best to keep it calm but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. i never called the cops because im dumb.
ive gotten jumped by about 4 guys who were at least 8 years older than me. ive also beaten them up and one time they were rocking me and my dog got out and did work on one of them ha. these were not convicts or druggies just some scum trying to get on a younger girl. not to try and steal your thread im just saying i know where youre coming from and protecting your family is probably #1 on your list.
talk to you mom and sister let them know the deal. or maybe talk to your mom and have her talk to sis. if not call the cops but if that doesnt work you may have to send a message to these guys. good luck and i think uve done well so far.
[quote]fighting_fires wrote:
so i hear what youre saying completely but on a much lower scale. my parents are divorced as well and i think a lot of people commenting here didnt grow up in a separated home because when youre the “man of the house” from the age of eight you dont just leave.
my sister is older than me but got in with the wrong crowd when i was about 13-15 and they would always come over when my mom was at work, you know supporting us, and things would always get bad. i would do my best to keep it calm but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. i never called the cops because im dumb.
ive gotten jumped by about 4 guys who were at least 8 years older than me. ive also beaten them up and one time they were rocking me and my dog got out and did work on one of them ha. these were not convicts or druggies just some scum trying to get on a younger girl. not to try and steal your thread im just saying i know where youre coming from and protecting your family is probably #1 on your list.
talk to you mom and sister let them know the deal. or maybe talk to your mom and have her talk to sis. if not call the cops but if that doesnt work you may have to send a message to these guys. good luck and i think uve done well so far. [/quote]
Let’s clarify this: I think it’s perfectly natural that the OP has the impulse to protect his family. Anyone who’s not a complete sociopath would - I just don’t think it’s a wise option, or for that matter a real option at all. To assume that because you are the only male in the house you have the role of being its protector is imho opinion problematic. Especially when dealing with proper dangerous people.
These things can get out of hand quickly, and being the ‘man in the house’ might get you killed. Starting feuds with the local hoodies (our endearing British term for young miscreants) in my neighbourhood here is what leads in too many cases to being shot or stabbed to death at a later stage - both things that don’t depend on age, size or gender.
The head of the household is the OP’s mother (I bet she also pays the rent/mortgage), and it’s her responsibility to guarantee a safe environment. If force is to be applied, it’s the police’s job - but too many situations escalate and go beyond the involved’s abilities to handle them because they are not called early enough or at all; often enough for fear of ‘what the neighbours might think’.
For the OP to assume the role of the ‘man in the house’ in this situation basically puts him in a no-win scenario: he takes on a responsibility (in this case with some high and unforseeable risks) without any power to control the situation (lack of support from sister, mother, rental agreement). Where’s the logic in that?
This is what the police, social services, drug rehab programmes are for - and his option of removing himself of the situation if all efforts to control the environment fail. Is this a nice set of options - no; but it’s the only set that really may yield any options for the OP to take control and improve his and his family’s safety.
Makkun
[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:
tom63 wrote:
You don’t cock a revolver, that’s just stupid.
This isn’t a gun thread, but, what the fuck? [/quote]
Let me explain, most revolvers operate on a double action/single action method. There is aslo single action and double action only.
A revolver that operates double/single is never cocked in self defense situation. you have now made it app. a 2-4 lb trigger pull with a very short stroke. Under stress your stupid bluff is a dead asshole due to you touching that trigger a little to heavy. And now you’re guilty of murder.
Especially because you wanted to teach some clown a lesson with a gun. you use a gun to stop a threat, not make one.
Now, single action guns are like cowboy guns, you must cock the hammer first, then pull thee trigger to release the hammer to fire the gun. Double action only means you pull the trigger and the gun will cock and fire. You cannot single cock the gun.
People shouldn’t say stupid stuff about guns unless, well, they’re stupid I guess’
makkun- did u grow up in the “perfect family” because thats sure what it sounds like. what if for instance youre the father and something goes wrong at your house, do tell your wife “woman get out there, i dont want to protect you people tonight.” in the OPs situation he is the father figure. yes it is moms responsibility to take action for his sister but what if moms not home, or the guys do use force, a mother usually isnt very strong and usually pretty defenseless. I agree that he doesnt have to be in this situation but depending on how you were raised theres certain things that are instinct.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
Uncle Gabby wrote:
tom63 wrote:
You don’t cock a revolver, that’s just stupid.
This isn’t a gun thread, but, what the fuck?
Let me explain, most revolvers operate on a double action/single action method. There is aslo single action and double action only.
A revolver that operates double/single is never cocked in self defense situation. you have now made it app. a 2-4 lb trigger pull with a very short stroke. Under stress your stupid bluff is a dead asshole due to you touching that trigger a little to heavy. And now you’re guilty of murder.
Especially because you wanted to teach some clown a lesson with a gun. you use a gun to stop a threat, not make one.
Now, single action guns are like cowboy guns, you must cock the hammer first, then pull thee trigger to release the hammer to fire the gun. Double action only means you pull the trigger and the gun will cock and fire. You cannot single cock the gun.
People shouldn’t say stupid stuff about guns unless, well, they’re stupid I guess’
[/quote]
Personally, I wouldn’t point a gun at anyone unless I was extremely close to using it, meaning the guy has one last chance to lay down on the floor and wait for the cops to get there. If the guy fucks around at all he’s dead. If I were using a double action revolver I would cock it, to reduce the trigger pull, in case the guy tries to lunge at me from a few feet away. On the other hand, I see your point about accidentally shooting some asshole who was being compliant, there by changing the situation from self-defense to murder. Anyway, good discussion.
End hijack.
[quote]fighting_fires wrote:
makkun- did u grow up in the “perfect family” because thats sure what it sounds like. what if for instance youre the father and something goes wrong at your house, do tell your wife “woman get out there, i dont want to protect you people tonight.” in the OPs situation he is the father figure. yes it is moms responsibility to take action for his sister but what if moms not home, or the guys do use force, a mother usually isnt very strong and usually pretty defenseless. I agree that he doesnt have to be in this situation but depending on how you were raised theres certain things that are instinct. [/quote]
No, I did not grow up in an ideal family. I also had to take on an adult role fairly early on. But my parents made sure I learnt to analyse critical situations dispassionately and act towards a most favourable long-term outcome.
Sure it’s an instinct to protect your own family. It’s just a question how effective and intelligently you are going on about it - acting instinctively in situations like this can get you killed and keeping to the antiquated notion clinging to the ‘man in the house’ concept can contribute to that spectacularly.
In the situation of an instant attack, besides calling the police, yes you may have to defend yourself and others physically. It’s unwise for the OP - and a recipe for disaster - to seek a physical confrontation with a high, enraged drug user, exconvict with a GBH record who has 50lb on the OP. That’s for the situation on the night.
For later - the OP needs to look at the continuing situation: Will the guy be vengeful and jump him at some other time? Will he be let back in by his sister or mum later on - and then follow up with the first option? What support does he get, that will put him in any form of control? If not - what measures can he take to protect himself, should his family not provide any? By his description - not many, and that basically brings him back into a no-win scenario: he can’t ‘protect’ his family if the family doesn’t co-operate with this protection. So, following his ‘instinct’ may endanger him, and set him up for a confrontation he won’t be able to control.
Hence, making aware the police, social services, and seeking help from people who have the experience and the power to help, seems to me like the best option.
Makkun
i think you should move out and inform the cops about this guy, try to get him in jail again. i dont feel right saying that you should move out but i also feel that you shouldn’t be burdened with this. u have your life to live. i wish u the best of luck dude, i really mean it.
also you have to talk to your sister and your mom. Where the fuck is your dad by the way?
i wish some of us could be there with you to murder this fuck… personally im not a fan of weapons, im thinking breaking necks
[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
P.S. gain some fucking weight.[/quote]
This.
[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:
tom63 wrote:
Uncle Gabby wrote:
tom63 wrote:
You don’t cock a revolver, that’s just stupid.
This isn’t a gun thread, but, what the fuck?
Let me explain, most revolvers operate on a double action/single action method. There is aslo single action and double action only.
A revolver that operates double/single is never cocked in self defense situation. you have now made it app. a 2-4 lb trigger pull with a very short stroke. Under stress your stupid bluff is a dead asshole due to you touching that trigger a little to heavy. And now you’re guilty of murder.
Especially because you wanted to teach some clown a lesson with a gun. you use a gun to stop a threat, not make one.
Now, single action guns are like cowboy guns, you must cock the hammer first, then pull thee trigger to release the hammer to fire the gun. Double action only means you pull the trigger and the gun will cock and fire. You cannot single cock the gun.
People shouldn’t say stupid stuff about guns unless, well, they’re stupid I guess’
Personally, I wouldn’t point a gun at anyone unless I was extremely close to using it, meaning the guy has one last chance to lay down on the floor and wait for the cops to get there. If the guy fucks around at all he’s dead. If I were using a double action revolver I would cock it, to reduce the trigger pull, in case the guy tries to lunge at me from a few feet away. On the other hand, I see your point about accidentally shooting some asshole who was being compliant, there by changing the situation from self-defense to murder. Anyway, good discussion.
End hijack.
[/quote]
You never cock a double action revolver in a self defense situation. No one teaches this. It’s a horrible idea because if you decide not to shoot and under stress you pull a greatly reduced trigger by accident, you are guilty in civil court at the least, maybe manslaughter. You either shoot or don’t shoot.
You already have a gun off safe that is easy to pull trigger wise. The time spent cocking the trigger is wasted time that you can use to shoot the bad guy.
You really need to learn about the laws and your responsibilities if you do have a weapon for self defense. The " I didn’t mean to shoot him, it was an accident" will screw you in civil and criminal court.
Now if you mean to shoot him, you just shoot him, double action. No self defense instructor will ever tell you to fire a double /single action revolver single action in a self defense situation. Hunters and target shooters might, but that is a whole different world.
[quote]makkun wrote:
No, I did not grow up in an ideal family. I also had to take on an adult role fairly early on. But my parents made sure I learnt to analyse critical situations dispassionately and act towards a most favourable long-term outcome.
Sure it’s an instinct to protect your own family. It’s just a question how effective and intelligently you are going on about it - acting instinctively in situations like this can get you killed and keeping to the antiquated notion clinging to the ‘man in the house’ concept can contribute to that spectacularly.
In the situation of an instant attack, besides calling the police, yes you may have to defend yourself and others physically. It’s unwise for the OP - and a recipe for disaster - to seek a physical confrontation with a high, enraged drug user, exconvict with a GBH record who has 50lb on the OP. That’s for the situation on the night.
For later - the OP needs to look at the continuing situation: Will the guy be vengeful and jump him at some other time? Will he be let back in by his sister or mum later on - and then follow up with the first option? What support does he get, that will put him in any form of control? If not - what measures can he take to protect himself, should his family not provide any? By his description - not many, and that basically brings him back into a no-win scenario: he can’t ‘protect’ his family if the family doesn’t co-operate with this protection. So, following his ‘instinct’ may endanger him, and set him up for a confrontation he won’t be able to control.
Hence, making aware the police, social services, and seeking help from people who have the experience and the power to help, seems to me like the best option.
Makkun[/quote]
i see where you are coming from and do agree that physicality is not the best answer. im just stating that sometimes with the natural instinct of protection sometimes it may happen. but you do make some valid points and all the best luck to the OP
[quote]fighting_fires wrote:
[…]i see where you are coming from and do agree that physicality is not the best answer. im just stating that sometimes with the natural instinct of protection sometimes it may happen. but you do make some valid points and all the best luck to the OP [/quote]
Yeah, let’s hope we overshot in the debate and things will just fine for him.
Makkun
[quote]Otep wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
P.S. gain some fucking weight.
This.[/quote]
Aha believe me man after this I’ve started eating and training like crazy I’m not gonna get much bigger than 160-170 naturally but hey I wanna be all I can be.
I changed my program to this for my equipment it’s not so bad. May add in hack squats too.
Day 1: Arms -
Close grip tricep bar bench press : 8-12 reps x 3 sets.
tricep bar hammer curls : *
Disc curls : 2x10kg plates as many sets as it takes to hit 25 reps
Db concentration curls: 8-12 reps x 2sets
Cable pushdown 8-12 reps x 2 sets.
Day 2: chest and shoulders -
BB bench press : 60kg as many sets as it takes to 25 reps add 2kg each week. (1RM = 75kg)
DB Flyes : 8-12 reps for 2-3 sets.
DB Arnold Press : *
Clean and press : 12x2 (learning the form on this so I thought I’d go for a lower weight with higher reps)
Push ups : immediately after workout 1 set to failure.
Day 3: back, traps, lats etc.
Deadlift: 70kg as many sets as it takes to achieve 25 reps.
DB bent-over rows: 8-12 reps for 2-3 sets.
Front lat pulldown: * *
DB Shrugs: For as many sets as it takes to hit 25. (Hold at top exhale completely - slow form works nicely)
If this wont work I would like to know guys. My eating isn’t 100% but man I’m getting the calories I need for sure.
[quote]TakeDamage wrote:
i think you should move out and inform the cops about this guy, try to get him in jail again. i dont feel right saying that you should move out but i also feel that you shouldn’t be burdened with this. u have your life to live. i wish u the best of luck dude, i really mean it.
also you have to talk to your sister and your mom. Where the fuck is your dad by the way?
i wish some of us could be there with you to murder this fuck… personally im not a fan of weapons, im thinking breaking necks
[/quote]
Thanks man. My real Dad left when I was 3 years old. Then had an abusive step-father from age 7-16… Did things to my sister when we found out he tried to murder her and the way it tends to go is they kill the whole family then themselves so we was real lucky. He went to jail, only 7 years - he’s the sort of guy who will be back and I did partially start training for this - I started off 5’2 160lbs when I was 16. This is also why I’m fairly protective of my sister now.
Luckily he didn’t have a taste for young boys though so apart from the fact he ruined my self esteem through bullying me and the fights we had I came out okay. He was 6’4 280lbs mainly fat but still was a hell of a strong guy I saw him pick a man up by his face and squeeze his eye sockets till they bled. Not shitting you.
So yeah man I’ve a few reasons to wanna get big. I don’t want any sympathy off of anyone if thats what anyone is now thinking. Everyone has their problems and I’m pretty thankful I’ve at least got some place to live and things was getting better until the people my sister is hanging with.
Idk what I would have done, but i know Chuck Norris would have roundhouse kicked those fuckers in the face.
But you probably handled it pretty well. Good luck with your training man, and take the advice of the smarter people on this board and think about your own future.
[quote]BruceLeeFan wrote:
Otep wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
P.S. gain some fucking weight.
This.
Aha believe me man after this I’ve started eating and training like crazy I’m not gonna get much bigger than 160-170 naturally but hey I wanna be all I can be.
I changed my program to this for my equipment it’s not so bad. May add in hack squats too.
Day 1: Arms -
Close grip tricep bar bench press : 8-12 reps x 3 sets.
tricep bar hammer curls : *
Disc curls : 2x10kg plates as many sets as it takes to hit 25 reps
Db concentration curls: 8-12 reps x 2sets
Cable pushdown 8-12 reps x 2 sets.
Day 2: chest and shoulders -
BB bench press : 60kg as many sets as it takes to 25 reps add 2kg each week. (1RM = 75kg)
DB Flyes : 8-12 reps for 2-3 sets.
DB Arnold Press : *
Clean and press : 12x2 (learning the form on this so I thought I’d go for a lower weight with higher reps)
Push ups : immediately after workout 1 set to failure.
Day 3: back, traps, lats etc.
Deadlift: 70kg as many sets as it takes to achieve 25 reps.
DB bent-over rows: 8-12 reps for 2-3 sets.
Front lat pulldown: * *
DB Shrugs: For as many sets as it takes to hit 25. (Hold at top exhale completely - slow form works nicely)
If this wont work I would like to know guys. My eating isn’t 100% but man I’m getting the calories I need for sure.[/quote]
the back+shoulder-legs-chest+arms has gotten popular here for a reason. And you can get much bigger then 170. I was taller then you and <120 when I started. Now I’m at or over 200. Natural. And it’s only getting bigger. As MAN of this house. You NEED to let the police, and anyone else you can know about the situation. Call them now and ask them about what you should do, and AGAIN when these people come over. Gaining weight will make this dude MAYBE take you more seriously. But that would just be another reason for him to just remove you from the picture. Call the police. The only time you need to use force is for immediate danger.