Another read: Inventing the Aids Virus
by Peter H. Duesberg.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
One thing we’re all assuming here is that AIDS actually exists. An excellent book by Robert Hogan explains how scientists who question this view are shouted down and denied funding, etc. The AIDS ‘virus’ behaves like no virus ever encountered by man, and the only evidence for same is an anti-body. It may not even exist; just another drain for the taxpayer.
Look, I lived through the Reagan era and listened to his speeches. First, he was a MAN, not some metrosexual who tries to please everyone. Secondly, he recognized that the environmental movement was just a scam that former socialists and communists could use to bash and/or hurt out country. Do you guys realize what Kyoto would do to us?
President Reagan was easily one of our best presidents ever, probably because he was a leader who spoke and acted like one. He knew evil and squashed it – case closed.[/quote]
I think einherjar is right on this one,he did what his backers that got him were he was, wanted him to do.I watched his speeches and he would often get lost he was an ass in press conferences when a reporter would ask the hard hitting questions and in fact i saw him screw up and call hisself a democrat,maybe oldtimers set in much earlier than they let on.I stood on a street coner with some real men that actually fought for this country,when reagon came thru town giving his phony wave out of limo sun roof,they gave him the big one finger salute ,and man did he turn his head the other way fast.He was a dem. when it suited his needs and became repub. later when it helped further his career.Gorbie is the one who really caused the things that took place with communism not ronnie.Hell his own kids didnt like him according to news reports.I think tricky dicky was a better pres. he just got caught.ronnie and bush 1 didnt…Tricky at least kept everthing flowing nationally and abroad
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Do you guys realize what Kyoto would do to us?
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Do you know what global warming can do to you? Well, ask the people in New Orleans. I guess they shouldn’t have named it Katrina after all. “Kyoto rules” would have been more appropriate.
Meanwhile, us Europeans are sticking to Kyoto. Perhaps because we realise what the alternative is.
[quote]vroom wrote:
Just because somebody writes a book that doesn’t mean it’s true.
Your dogma is as rigid as that which you rail against.[/quote]
You mean the guys that write books about the moon landing being fake might not be right? Oh Jesus Vroom, you just through my life into hell. Thanks alot.
[quote]Wreckless wrote:
Do you know what global warming can do to you? Well, ask the people in New Orleans. I guess they shouldn’t have named it Katrina after all. “Kyoto rules” would have been more appropriate.
Meanwhile, us Europeans are sticking to Kyoto. Perhaps because we realise what the alternative is.
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Hmmm…11.6% unemployment in Germany (for example) and all based on an unproven theory. Sure sounds like a winning formula to me!
Question: why are the measurements about global warming taken near volcanoes, like the station in Hawaii? Seems like an unusual place to try to measure anything relevant to us.
Actually, I think the global warming crowd is very arrogant. We are apparently omnipotent beings who can melt glaciers, raise oceans, cause hurricanes. Wow, what power we have!!
[quote]ron33 wrote:
I think einherjar is right on this one,he did what his backers that got him were he was, wanted him to do.I watched his speeches and he would often get lost he was an ass in press conferences when a reporter would ask the hard hitting questions and in fact i saw him screw up and call hisself a democrat,maybe oldtimers set in much earlier than they let on.I stood on a street coner with some real men that actually fought for this country,when reagon came thru town giving his phony wave out of limo sun roof,they gave him the big one finger salute ,and man did he turn his head the other way fast.He was a dem. when it suited his needs and became repub. later when it helped further his career.Gorbie is the one who really caused the things that took place with communism not ronnie.Hell his own kids didnt like him according to news reports.I think tricky dicky was a better pres. he just got caught.ronnie and bush 1 didnt…Tricky at least kept everthing flowing nationally and abroad[/quote]
They were his steps kids that didn’t care for his polotics.
Please enlighten me on what Gorbie did to end himself being in charge of Russia? I am drooling with anticipation.
It is not spelled “oldtimers”
Riding a picket line at a job at this point or in the 80’s is not something I would call fighting for a country. In the earlier part of the 20th century it was, but the last half was certainly the decline of the working man into the lazy slob that is around today.
SO what if he was given the finger? People get that all the time and they are not president.
Being president usually means half the country doesn’t like you.
No connection between any alleged global warming and Katrina:
[quote]haney wrote:
ron33 wrote:
I think einherjar is right on this one,he did what his backers that got him were he was, wanted him to do.I watched his speeches and he would often get lost he was an ass in press conferences when a reporter would ask the hard hitting questions and in fact i saw him screw up and call hisself a democrat,maybe oldtimers set in much earlier than they let on.I stood on a street coner with some real men that actually fought for this country,when reagon came thru town giving his phony wave out of limo sun roof,they gave him the big one finger salute ,and man did he turn his head the other way fast.He was a dem. when it suited his needs and became repub. later when it helped further his career.Gorbie is the one who really caused the things that took place with communism not ronnie.Hell his own kids didnt like him according to news reports.I think tricky dicky was a better pres. he just got caught.ronnie and bush 1 didnt…Tricky at least kept everthing flowing nationally and abroad
They were his steps kids that didn’t care for his polotics.
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Someone correct me if I am wrong here, but it was his flesh and blood kids that were at odds with him and his adopted evangelical son who idolized him. Oh, I forgot about the one stepchild daughter who was an alcoholic right? Ronnie Jr. is a pretty liberal minded guy and his real son.
I don’t understand how it is arrogant to think that throwing millions of tons of chemicals into the atmosphere might cause something to happen.
It’s equally arrogant to think that billions of us can live on this planet exactly as we wish and have no impact on it whatsoever.
Stop picking on the points you WANT to believe in and take a look at things with an open mind. There are honest questions concerning global warming, sure, but to claim it can’t be happening is the height of arrogance.
By the way, there was a moon landing? No way!
[quote]Dedicated wrote:
haney wrote:
ron33 wrote:
I think einherjar is right on this one,he did what his backers that got him were he was, wanted him to do.I watched his speeches and he would often get lost he was an ass in press conferences when a reporter would ask the hard hitting questions and in fact i saw him screw up and call hisself a democrat,maybe oldtimers set in much earlier than they let on.I stood on a street coner with some real men that actually fought for this country,when reagon came thru town giving his phony wave out of limo sun roof,they gave him the big one finger salute ,and man did he turn his head the other way fast.He was a dem. when it suited his needs and became repub. later when it helped further his career.Gorbie is the one who really caused the things that took place with communism not ronnie.Hell his own kids didnt like him according to news reports.I think tricky dicky was a better pres. he just got caught.ronnie and bush 1 didnt…Tricky at least kept everthing flowing nationally and abroad
They were his steps kids that didn’t care for his polotics.
Someone correct me if I am wrong here, but it was his flesh and blood kids that were at odds with him and his adopted evangelical son who idolized him. Oh, I forgot about the one stepchild daughter who was an alcoholic right? Ronnie Jr. is a pretty liberal minded guy and his real son. [/quote]
You are correct his adopted son is his supporter. You are incorrect on the other facts. Daughter Maureen, was a huge supporter of his, and even helped him campaign in both pres. elections.
Patti Davis, was against him but apologized for her behavior in the late 80’s early 90’s
you are correct on Ron Jr. being liberal.
[quote]haney wrote:
ron33 wrote:
I think einherjar is right on this one,he did what his backers that got him were he was, wanted him to do.I watched his speeches and he would often get lost he was an ass in press conferences when a reporter would ask the hard hitting questions and in fact i saw him screw up and call hisself a democrat,maybe oldtimers set in much earlier than they let on.I stood on a street coner with some real men that actually fought for this country,when reagon came thru town giving his phony wave out of limo sun roof,they gave him the big one finger salute ,and man did he turn his head the other way fast.He was a dem. when it suited his needs and became repub. later when it helped further his career.Gorbie is the one who really caused the things that took place with communism not ronnie.Hell his own kids didnt like him according to news reports.I think tricky dicky was a better pres. he just got caught.ronnie and bush 1 didnt…Tricky at least kept everthing flowing nationally and abroad
They were his steps kids that didn’t care for his polotics.
Please enlighten me on what Gorbie did to end himself being in charge of Russia? I am drooling with anticipation.
It is not spelled “oldtimers”
Riding a picket line at a job at this point or in the 80’s is not something I would call fighting for a country. In the earlier part of the 20th century it was, but the last half was certainly the decline of the working man into the lazy slob that is around today.
SO what if he was given the finger? People get that all the time and they are not president.
Being president usually means half the country doesn’t like you. [/quote]
Cant remember the Gorbie facts,there was a nice documentary that explained what he did,and that put him in grave danger. My Crew calls it OLDTIMERS.The men Im speaking of fought in W.W.2 & Korean War and had plenty of info. how they were put in bad situations because of politics and officers that didnt know jack.These men were not lazy workers ,there lives were in danger every day on their job.It seems a lot of info. doesnt filter thru to texas, there is a lot of fellows that dont seem to get the news the rest of us have gotten thru the years.Ive driven thru there several times and there are a lot of miles of nothing ,maybe thats why there seems to be an information void.
[quote]ron33 wrote:
haney wrote:
ron33 wrote:
I think einherjar is right on this one,he did what his backers that got him were he was, wanted him to do.I watched his speeches and he would often get lost he was an ass in press conferences when a reporter would ask the hard hitting questions and in fact i saw him screw up and call hisself a democrat,maybe oldtimers set in much earlier than they let on.I stood on a street coner with some real men that actually fought for this country,when reagon came thru town giving his phony wave out of limo sun roof,they gave him the big one finger salute ,and man did he turn his head the other way fast.He was a dem. when it suited his needs and became repub. later when it helped further his career.Gorbie is the one who really caused the things that took place with communism not ronnie.Hell his own kids didnt like him according to news reports.I think tricky dicky was a better pres. he just got caught.ronnie and bush 1 didnt…Tricky at least kept everthing flowing nationally and abroad
They were his steps kids that didn’t care for his polotics.
Please enlighten me on what Gorbie did to end himself being in charge of Russia? I am drooling with anticipation.
It is not spelled “oldtimers”
Riding a picket line at a job at this point or in the 80’s is not something I would call fighting for a country. In the earlier part of the 20th century it was, but the last half was certainly the decline of the working man into the lazy slob that is around today.
SO what if he was given the finger? People get that all the time and they are not president.
Being president usually means half the country doesn’t like you.
Cant remember the Gorbie facts,there was a nice documentary that explained what he did,and that put him in grave danger. My Crew calls it OLDTIMERS.The men Im speaking of fought in W.W.2 & Korean War and had plenty of info. how they were put in bad situations because of politics and officers that didnt know jack.These men were not lazy workers ,there lives were in danger every day on their job.It seems a lot of info. doesnt filter thru to texas, there is a lot of fellows that dont seem to get the news the rest of us have gotten thru the years.Ive driven thru there several times and there are a lot of miles of nothing ,maybe thats why there seems to be an information void.[/quote]
I have made no personal attacks on you or where you live. I would appreciate it if you kept your snide remarks to yourself. I have only asked for proof of your claims. If you can’t site a source than why bother posting. You might as well run around shouting “but I read it once”.
I have to ask how would I know that you were referencing vets? up to this point you have only been talking about union workers. See this is why more info is better.
I still think most union workers are nothing more than tools of the system they claim to fight for.
Sorry if I just don’t jump all over your claims of what happened in the 80’s just because you read it or heard about it somewhere. I usually require proof when someone starts making claims. Especially when someone says that Gorbie was the real hero.
I guess you don’t believe in source reference and proof?
Haney,I forgot to add,do you not work for a living? you seem to think every working man is lazy.The men i speak of are hard core old-timers,they know when somebody is a fake and fraud they are not the type that believe the propaganda of political parties,they are men that will work you into the ground and put knots on your noggin if need be.They have been in to many different life situations,and know how to sift thru the shit of corporate america etc.
Haney ,OK.no more snide remarks,I dont remember every source of info.Lifes To complicated.Sure i admit i haved worked on some job sites where people have pulled there stupid BS games with their little union.But in the commercial construction trades in my part of the country I have never seen it happen.To little work ,the people are just happy to get the work,If anything it is the opposite,I have seen a lot of workers be put in situations where they do something on rigging that isnt safe or be told they will be fired and find someone else.
I have known people that have fallen due to this and either died or be screwed up that they couldnt work anymore.No one would hire them cause they knew they had been injured.I have known men that have had to fight to have their medical bills payed after being injured on the job and have lost everything they had.The people that are reaping the benefits are the ceo’s and executives not you avg. worker
[quote]ron33 wrote:
Haney,I forgot to add,do you not work for a living? you seem to think every working man is lazy.The men i speak of are hard core old-timers,they know when somebody is a fake and fraud they are not the type that believe the propaganda of political parties,they are men that will work you into the ground and put knots on your noggin if need be.They have been in to many different life situations,and know how to sift thru the shit of corporate america etc.[/quote]
I own my own business. so yeah, I work for a living. Most employees I have don’t live up to their full potential.
[quote]ron33 wrote:
Haney ,OK.no more snide remarks,I dont remember every source of info.Lifes To complicated.Sure i admit i haved worked on some job sites where people have pulled there stupid BS games with their little union.But in the commercial construction trades in my part of the country I have never seen it happen.To little work ,the people are just happy to get the work,If anything it is the opposite,I have seen a lot of workers be put in situations where they do something on rigging that isnt safe or be told they will be fired and find someone else.
I have known people that have fallen due to this and either died or be screwed up that they couldnt work anymore.No one would hire them cause they knew they had been injured.I have known men that have had to fight to have their medical bills payed after being injured on the job and have lost everything they had.The people that are reaping the benefits are the ceo’s and executives not you avg. worker[/quote]
I am sorry to hear that. Not all companies are like that. There are also alot of things that go into running a business that most employees don’t understand. I am not justifying anyone companies action, I am just saying there may be more to it then what you know.
As for not looking up the sources then I have to take your comments as a purely jaded perspective. I have a lot of liberal friends who don’t agree with me, but they are always more than willing to give me sources. That makes them invaluable as sources of info. One of the reasons we are able to be friends. I hate speculation on all sides if there are no sources to back it up.
Sorry my personal criteria for having a discussion.
It is a damn shame that many kids, rather than emulate great parents, rebel and act like jackasses. Thankfully, most young people are smarter than that.
As for the Global Warming, Vroom, if you’re against dumping tons of crap into the air, you must be in favor of nukes, which is a very clean, safe alternative. Or maybe we should just stop having an industrial civilisation and go back to scratching the ground with wooden plows.
Rather than having an open mind (which means a person is a schmoo with no opinions, willing to tolerate any evil), I would rather have an active mind. When someone says, “Let’s close up shop so the air will be cleaner.”, I call that a crock and oppose it in any way.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
It is a damn shame that many kids, rather than emulate great parents, rebel and act like jackasses. Thankfully, most young people are smarter than that.
As for the Global Warming, Vroom, if you’re against dumping tons of crap into the air, you must be in favor of nukes, which is a very clean, safe alternative. Or maybe we should just stop having an industrial civilisation and go back to scratching the ground with wooden plows.
Rather than having an open mind (which means a person is a schmoo with no opinions, willing to tolerate any evil), I would rather have an active mind. When someone says, “Let’s close up shop so the air will be cleaner.”, I call that a crock and oppose it in any way.[/quote]
He’s talking about alternative energies such as wind, solar, hydrogen, etc. (I think; didn’t mean to speak for you if that wasn’t your intention, Vroom.)
And, your definition of an open mind is not correct. With every post, you prove yourself dumber.
But, keep going. Love your work!
[quote]As for the Global Warming, Vroom, if you’re against dumping tons of crap into the air, you must be in favor of nukes, which is a very clean, safe alternative. Or maybe we should just stop having an industrial civilisation and go back to scratching the ground with wooden plows.
Rather than having an open mind (which means a person is a schmoo with no opinions, willing to tolerate any evil), I would rather have an active mind. When someone says, “Let’s close up shop so the air will be cleaner.”, I call that a crock and oppose it in any way.[/quote]
Where do you get this stuff? Do you just make up the meaning of words to suit yourself or what?
I’m actually not opposed to certain forms of nuclear power. Particularly the types of stations that don’t melt down or blow up like Chernobyl did and those that don’t create fuel for nuclear weapons. It would also be nice not to construct it right next to a heavy population center. Stop making up my position for me as if you actually know what it is.
However, alternative forms of energy, that don’t leave nuclear waste around for thousands of years would be nice also. The fact they tend to cost a bit more doesn’t mean the world would shut down. What a crock of shit.
Nobody is saying to close up shop so the air will be cleaner. Learn to use what you call an active mind and think about what people say outside the boundaries of political dogma. A clean environment is a good thing – I don’t know about you, but I’d like to minimize the pollution that I have to face on a daily basis. Or perhaps we should go back to lead based plumbing and paint?
Yeah, those were winning technologies!
Sure, technology can do a lot of great things, but not every invention comes without downsides. Sometimes it is years before we even figure out what they might be and then take steps to minimize the damage to health and environment. It’s called change, something that humans are supposed to be very adept at.
Finally, if you don’t know, an open mind is one which is at least willing to think about and consider alternatives. It says nothing about your viewpoint or what types of decisions you will make.
Fuck, sometimes I think the world is doomed.
[quote]harris447 wrote:
And, your definition of an open mind is not correct. With very post, you prove yourself dumber.
But, keep going. Love your work!
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Your assault on his intelligence would hold a lot more water if you could fucking spell. As it is - you are the one proving their idiocy with EVERY post.