[quote]ron33 wrote:
Rain,In my area ,great lakes companies were closing up people were losing their jobs houses etc. Didnt get info. from magazine lived and struggled during it.I also came down to the big D.during this time period cause there was supposed to be a building boom,but it was ending .what part of tejas did you have a great time in and what business.[/quote]
Now I’ll ask you again - what did Reagan do to cause this? It couldn’t possibly have been horrible business decisions by the auto industry, could it?
I’d like to know a specific act that Reagan took that cost people a single job in the Great Lakes Region.
The oil boom was probably ending when you got to Texas. Another example of horrible decision making. Not at the Presidential level, but on the state and local level. Reagan didn’t have a hand in the oil bust - just like he wasn’t to blame for the woes and piss poor management of the auto industry, and the communities that depended on them.
My dad worked for Georgia Pacific. We satrted out in the panhandle, and moved to El Paso when I was a sophomore in highschool.
[quote]ron33 wrote:
Rain,In my area ,great lakes companies were closing up people were losing their jobs houses etc. Didnt get info. from magazine lived and struggled during it.I also came down to the big D.during this time period cause there was supposed to be a building boom,but it was ending .what part of tejas did you have a great time in and what business.[/quote]
I don’t think you can hold Reagan responsible for this.
[quote]harris447 wrote:
haney wrote:
ron33 wrote:
Remember seeing the coke deal on national news,the pilot was first taken into custody then when he told what he knew it was hushed up and you never heard any more about it,I dont know what line of work the doogie is in but in the construction trades in the 80s there were no lazy people unless they were related to whoever owned the company you worked for.there was so little work if you were lazy you would never have gotten a job,unless like i say you were related to the boss or owner of the company.Of course if you dont know or understand that you must not have to much upstairs,or you are one of the lazy mfers you speak of.There are more people that die working in the trades ,than other occupations.
Oh, so basically this is a pure junk assertion. similiar to Dan Rather on GWB before the election. Glad we cleared that up.
Right, a pure junk assertion. Much like Ronnie’s oft-quotes “welfare queen driving a cadillac.”
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[quote]ron33 wrote:
…Also remember when they cut monies for things like mental hosp. etc. and all of the homeless people because of it…[/quote]
The homeless problem started under Carter. This was not a funding issue. During Carters administration it was determined that many of the people in mental hospitals had the right to leave if they wanted to as long as they were not dangerous to society. Many of them took the option and became homeless.
I don’t know if it was a judicial or executive decision, but it did happen during Carters term. People keep falsely attributing it to Reagan.
[quote]haney wrote:
ron33 wrote:
I voted for reagan,to get rid of carter,and i think reagan did all he could to hurt the working men and women of this country while he was pres. and it was continued on in the bush 1 admin.I know a lot of working people who feel the same way and they considered their self repubs.Also remember when they cut monies for things like mental hosp. etc. and all of the homeless people because of it.Anybody remember the c-130 air force cargo plane that flu into southern AFBase loaded with coke and the pilot said thats how the weapons he delivered were payed for.
Do you have a link or an article for the cocaine comment?
I am sure you think Giuliani arresting all the homeless was horrible too? It is interesting that in the end it reduced crime in the city.
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I love Guliani, but what he did to the homeless was wrong. He stuck them on buses and sent them to small towns near NYC. Basically he stuck the small towns with the problem.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
haney wrote:
ron33 wrote:
I voted for reagan,to get rid of carter,and i think reagan did all he could to hurt the working men and women of this country while he was pres. and it was continued on in the bush 1 admin.I know a lot of working people who feel the same way and they considered their self repubs.Also remember when they cut monies for things like mental hosp. etc. and all of the homeless people because of it.Anybody remember the c-130 air force cargo plane that flu into southern AFBase loaded with coke and the pilot said thats how the weapons he delivered were payed for.
Do you have a link or an article for the cocaine comment?
I am sure you think Giuliani arresting all the homeless was horrible too? It is interesting that in the end it reduced crime in the city.
I love Guliani, but what he did to the homeless was wrong. He stuck them on buses and sent them to small towns near NYC. Basically he stuck the small towns with the problem. [/quote]
I personally think it is more telling of where the crime in NY was coming from
One thing we’re all assuming here is that AIDS actually exists. An excellent book by Robert Hogan explains how scientists who question this view are shouted down and denied funding, etc. The AIDS ‘virus’ behaves like no virus ever encountered by man, and the only evidence for same is an anti-body. It may not even exist; just another drain for the taxpayer.
Look, I lived through the Reagan era and listened to his speeches. First, he was a MAN, not some metrosexual who tries to please everyone. Secondly, he recognized that the environmental movement was just a scam that former socialists and communists could use to bash and/or hurt out country. Do you guys realize what Kyoto would do to us?
President Reagan was easily one of our best presidents ever, probably because he was a leader who spoke and acted like one. He knew evil and squashed it – case closed.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
One thing we’re all assuming here is that AIDS actually exists. An excellent book by Robert Hogan explains how scientists who question this view are shouted down and denied funding, etc. The AIDS ‘virus’ behaves like no virus ever encountered by man, and the only evidence for same is an anti-body. It may not even exist; just another drain for the taxpayer.
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I have never heard that theory before. Do you have any reference material I could take a look at?
[quote]vroom wrote:
I’m not sure the sun actually exists… I mean, I see heat and light coming from the sky sometimes, but that’s all we have to go on…[/quote]
Well the scientists that are trying to prove that it is actually a big halogen lamp are getting their funding cut, so I guess we’ll never really know.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
One thing we’re all assuming here is that AIDS actually exists. An excellent book by Robert Hogan explains how scientists who question this view are shouted down and denied funding, etc. The AIDS ‘virus’ behaves like no virus ever encountered by man, and the only evidence for same is an anti-body. It may not even exist; just another drain for the taxpayer.
Look, I lived through the Reagan era and listened to his speeches. First, he was a MAN, not some metrosexual who tries to please everyone. Secondly, he recognized that the environmental movement was just a scam that former socialists and communists could use to bash and/or hurt out country. Do you guys realize what Kyoto would do to us?
President Reagan was easily one of our best presidents ever, probably because he was a leader who spoke and acted like one. He knew evil and squashed it – case closed.[/quote]
I love Guliani, but what he did to the homeless was wrong. He stuck them on buses and sent them to small towns near NYC. Basically he stuck the small towns with the problem.
I personally think it is more telling of where the crime in NY was coming from
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No question about that. They should probably be institutionalized but that would violate their civil rights. The price we pay for living in a free society.
I love Guliani, but what he did to the homeless was wrong. He stuck them on buses and sent them to small towns near NYC. Basically he stuck the small towns with the problem.
I personally think it is more telling of where the crime in NY was coming from
No question about that. They should probably be institutionalized but that would violate their civil rights. The price we pay for living in a free society.[/quote]
ehh… I guess that is how it goes. the good guys get the shaft.
I really think it is ashame that people choose to live like that in our country with all the opportunities that we are afforded.
I was at work before – the book is by James (not Robert) Hogan. Lent the book to a friend so don’t have the title exactly. I’ll google it and point it out. In it, he has a list of how AIDS does not behave like any virus. It doesn’t spread like any known pathogen, the concentration of HIV is so low as to be non-problematic, and so on. The CDC keeps changing the definition of AIDS so that more and more people appear to have it. The scientists he quotes bitch about how only someone in favor of the pet theory gets any funding.
See? If you were a scientist and dealt with people like the Harry-ASS who wrote this, you’d get frustrated too! No wonder only the AIDS crowd gets heard! No reason, no logic, just 447 pieces of bullshit.
[quote]harris447 wrote:
He probably would have illegally sold arms to Iran, ignored the exloding AIDS crisis, and helped widen the gap between the rich and the poor through poorly-thought-out economic strategies.[/quote]
[quote]haney wrote:
WMD wrote:
haney wrote:
WMD wrote:
haney wrote:
Your right that ending the cold war thing had nothing to do with Reagan.
Not that the cold war was essentially unsustainable or anything. Nope it was all about Reagan. Where’s my Ronald Reagan superhero doll?
I am sure you remember Senate and Congress pushing for us to dismantle weapons, or Europe wanting us to make pacts to dismantle. If we had started a dismantling of our weapons like all of Reagans opponents wanted us to do, do you think communism would of still fell?
Russia would have had just had to maintain. Which would certainly give them a chance to build capital for a later date. Oh but you knew that right?
So technically it was sustainable if Reagan did nothing. You guys should really try to remember your political climates from the era of when they were happening.
I spent most of my years in the service during the Reagan era. We (in the Army anyway) knew then that the Cold War would have to come to an end. Russia did not have the economic resources to sustain itself or the Cold War. Communism (at least the Soviet model of it) was going to collapse any way. They just did not have the right kind of economic and political apparatus in place.
Well then tell me if Reagan had not incresed spending would it still have had the pressure on it that forced it to colapse as quickly as it did?
Your perspective would carry more weight if it was during carters administration, rather than Reagan’s, but I am willing to hear more.
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My perspective would carry more weight if I had served during Carter’s admin?
How exactly?
And I guess we’ll never know for sure if it was Reagan’s economic policies that made the difference.
This conversation reminds me of the Romans deifying deceased emperors. Let’s erect a temple to the Deified Ronnie. Rather than have some perspective and deal with reality or anything like that.
My perspective would carry more weight if I had served during Carter’s admin?
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If you thought the cold war was going to end the way it did anyway, and you knew it during Carter’s administration when you served than that would have more weight to it. That would be a clear indication of your understanding of Russian Economics. you threw out you being in the military during Reagan’s administration like it was some all powerful trump card of knowledge. I think it would say alot more ir you had prior knowledge.
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No other president battled Communist as long as He did, so the credit would go to him.
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This conversation reminds me of the Romans deifying deceased emperors. Let’s erect a temple to the Deified Ronnie. Rather than have some perspective and deal with reality or anything like that.[/quote]
Why? No one is erecting a statue to him, Everyone here who liked him before thought the same while he was alive and president. It is no different then the dems. with FDR, or JFK.