The strike zone is a part of the game, please don’t f it up with replay. Might as well just put pitching machines on the mound.
x2^. I like the review for outs on the bags or in the outfield as well as foul ball calls. Strikes would be too much.
[quote]Jlabs wrote:
x2^. I like the review for outs on the bags or in the outfield as well as foul ball calls. Strikes would be too much.[/quote]
A guy like Greg Maddox would cease to exist and that would be a travesty.
Absolutely. There would be ZERO reason for any umpire on the field.
Another problem is how would you be able to train kids? You wouldn’t be able to afford such technology at all levels. I’d even question if it’s feasible in college. So then how do you translate people from amateur to pro?
balls and strikes are subjective and should never have technology involved. Everything else is pretty black and white and should be open to review.
Yeah that would be dumb. Every umpire seems to have a different strike zone but as long as they are consistent the whole game and to both Pitchers then who cares.
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
Yeah that would be dumb. Every umpire seems to have a different strike zone but as long as they are consistent the whole game and to both Pitchers then who cares.[/quote]
amen
[quote]Aggv wrote:
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
Yeah that would be dumb. Every umpire seems to have a different strike zone but as long as they are consistent the whole game and to both Pitchers then who cares.[/quote]
amen[/quote]
I think the point about training kids is spot on but, at least if the findings in the article are to be trusted, the “different strike zone” that each ump has doesn’t seem to be being applied evenly re home teams and even blacks vs whites
Dumb dumb dumb dumb, umpires are part of the game. I would not watch baseball anymore if they got rid of them.
Not a baseball fan at all, so take this opinion with a grain of salt. Why in the world would you not want an ACCURATE call EVERY TIME?
Isn’t that what defines sportsmanship?
The way the system currently works, there appears to be a significant margin of error. That’s not fair to the player who got the bad call. You baseball fans got all up in arms about steroids and a level playing field, etc… But then turn around and say it’s OK for an umpire to call an unfair game (according to the statistics in the article). A sport is based on fair competition between two teams with an expectation of equal application of the rules. The way baseball is currently being (and historically has been - fixing the world series anyone?) practiced, it is clearly anything BUT that.
This is yet another reason that I don’t consider baseball a sport. Sure, it’s a nostalgic American past time. But with it’s willy nilly rules and inconsistent refereeing, it simply doesn’t rise to the level of a sport. Sports have STANDARDS. Perhaps cameras would help set a consistent standard that would raise it to that level. Even in bowling, the pin is either up, or its down - it’s not some esoteric judgement call made by a single person with impunity. Yes, bowling is more of a “sport” than baseball is.
So any game with subjective officiating is bullshit?
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Not a baseball fan at all, so take this opinion with a grain of salt. Why in the world would you not want an ACCURATE call EVERY TIME?
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Sure, if you want to watch 160+ home run derby’s.
Working the plate, from the pitchers & hitters perspective, is an art form.
Like I said a guy like Greg Maddox would cease to exist. You’d still have your power throwers sure, but that’s about it.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
This is yet another reason that I don’t consider baseball a sport. Sure, it’s a nostalgic American past time. But with it’s willy nilly rules and inconsistent refereeing, it simply doesn’t rise to the level of a sport. [/quote]
Lol, Cause there are no willy nilly rules or inconsistent refereeing in football.
Like I said, consistent on both sides. If an umpire has a pretty large strike zone one night and is giving it to both sides then its fine. If a pitcher of batter doesn’t learn to take advantage of that then that’s on them and their coaches.
Also baseball although slow and boring at times is a sport, and I would argue that its tougher to get in MLB than getting to the professional level at any other sport. (and I mean for athletes not the average Joe on the street)
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Not a baseball fan at all, so take this opinion with a grain of salt. Why in the world would you not want an ACCURATE call EVERY TIME?
Isn’t that what defines sportsmanship?
The way the system currently works, there appears to be a significant margin of error. That’s not fair to the player who got the bad call. You baseball fans got all up in arms about steroids and a level playing field, etc… But then turn around and say it’s OK for an umpire to call an unfair game (according to the statistics in the article). A sport is based on fair competition between two teams with an expectation of equal application of the rules. The way baseball is currently being (and historically has been - fixing the world series anyone?) practiced, it is clearly anything BUT that.
This is yet another reason that I don’t consider baseball a sport. Sure, it’s a nostalgic American past time. But with it’s willy nilly rules and inconsistent refereeing, it simply doesn’t rise to the level of a sport. Sports have STANDARDS. Perhaps cameras would help set a consistent standard that would raise it to that level. Even in bowling, the pin is either up, or its down - it’s not some esoteric judgement call made by a single person with impunity. Yes, bowling is more of a “sport” than baseball is.[/quote]
The calling of strikes and balls is most comparable to the calling of holding or PI in football. The strike zone is not really as concrete as you are making it out to be. There are guidelines for it but it is mostly left to Umpire discretion. That is just kind of the spirit of the game.
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
Like I said, consistent on both sides. If an umpire has a pretty large strike zone one night and is giving it to both sides then its fine. If a pitcher of batter doesn’t learn to take advantage of that then that’s on them and their coaches.
Also baseball although slow and boring at times is a sport, and I would argue that its tougher to get in MLB than getting to the professional level at any other sport. (and I mean for athletes not the average Joe on the street)[/quote]
I agree with everything you said, except, the NBA is the toughest pro league to get into in the US, maybe the world. Basketball is probably our most popular sport to play in terms of time spent participating in, and their are fewer slots available than in any other pro league.
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
Like I said, consistent on both sides. If an umpire has a pretty large strike zone one night and is giving it to both sides then its fine. If a pitcher of batter doesn’t learn to take advantage of that then that’s on them and their coaches.
Also baseball although slow and boring at times is a sport, and I would argue that its tougher to get in MLB than getting to the professional level at any other sport. (and I mean for athletes not the average Joe on the street)[/quote]
I agree with everything you said, except, the NBA is the toughest pro league to get into in the US, maybe the world. Basketball is probably our most popular sport to play in terms of time spent participating in, and their are fewer slots available than in any other pro league. [/quote]
That may be true but as far as I know, In basketball its either college to pro or go home. In baseball every single MLB team has a farm system so you can spend 4 years in college, then go to the A, AA, AAA. Although I have no idea how much time the on average the players in MLB now spent in the minors.
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
Like I said, consistent on both sides. If an umpire has a pretty large strike zone one night and is giving it to both sides then its fine. If a pitcher of batter doesn’t learn to take advantage of that then that’s on them and their coaches.
Also baseball although slow and boring at times is a sport, and I would argue that its tougher to get in MLB than getting to the professional level at any other sport. (and I mean for athletes not the average Joe on the street)[/quote]
I agree with everything you said, except, the NBA is the toughest pro league to get into in the US, maybe the world. Basketball is probably our most popular sport to play in terms of time spent participating in, and their are fewer slots available than in any other pro league. [/quote]
That may be true but as far as I know, In basketball its either college to pro or go home. In baseball every single MLB team has a farm system so you can spend 4 years in college, then go to the A, AA, AAA. Although I have no idea how much time the on average the players in MLB now spent in the minors.[/quote]
I think that is a pretty individual thing. Guy from around here got drafted out of JUCO twice, took it in 2010 in the 8th, and got called up to start a play in a few games for the Rockies last year. He has had a big bat all the way through though and steadily advanced. Others are not nearly as lucky and for whatever reason don’t pan out.
I’m pretty surprised that a lot of you don’t want balls and strikes to be called right every time. You really think that the game is better because there is a reasonable chance that an umpire will miss a game changing call? You are literally saying that you think the game is better due to the fact that Team A could win and Team B would be credited with the win because the umpire screwed up? And there is around a 1 in 7 chance of that happening in a close game. That, to me, is astounding.
Also, it wouldn’t really have to be replay. You could just install a camera behind home plate. With the right software, it would make calls faster and more accurately than the umpire. Obviously, you would have to rigorously test the software and system, but it wouldn’t be impossible.