What to Tell Daughter About Boys

Emily, I’m not sure your Jane Goodall approach to women’s magazines really counts as reading them, or consuming their content :smiley: Really though, I think most women who do read them are getting a kick out of what they say rather than taking pointers. Entertainment is what it is all about.

[quote]therajraj wrote:
I’m pretty sure by the end of this thread, debraD won’t have any friends left on T-Nation.[/quote]

:`(

Well hopefully no one takes what I say THAT seriously. I do know I can probably come across as a bit of a bitch online because of my language and style but that’s because IRL I’m petite, soft-spoken and baby-faced so it’s my adaptation to spending the majority of my time surrounded by men. It is really hard for me to offend people IRL because of my appearance.

Besides, I don’t think anyone in a thread like this at this point is in here because they like to agree for fun :smiley:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
I’m pretty sure by the end of this thread, debraD won’t have any friends left on T-Nation.[/quote]

Deb, you might want to take this “Are You a Fab Friend” quiz on cosmopolitan.com: http://www.cosmopolitan.com/quizzes-games/online-quiz/cosmo_quiz_are_you_a_fab_friend

If it turns out you’re not, there are articles there to help you. After all, great friends are like amazing jeans: they offer incredible support and cover your ass when you need it the most. And watch out that your T-Nation pals don’t put you in the middle of a tug-of-war. I’d hate to see you wind up in a toxic friendship triangle. For your own emotional health, you have to realize that it’s okay for friends not to like each other and it doesn’t reflect poorly on you.

These tips can help you avoid the friendship flatline therajraj mentions. [/quote]

LOL!

I’m on it!

CHEA! I’m a fabulous friend!

To be perfectly clear, I was just kidding

[quote]debraD wrote:
CHEA! I’m a fabulous friend![/quote]

I heard you were a juicebag.

But I will say I understand the baby face dilemma. I am an extreme baby face myself. I find strangers perceive baby faced people as nice and approachable (at least me). Can Work in my favour but sometimes I just want to be left alone!

When I was 21 people thought I was 15. When I was doing an internship in 2006 a lady complained to my boss that he shouldn’t be hiring 16 year old kids to work in an office.

I’m 25 now and people generally perceive me to be 20-21

[quote]Oleena wrote:

[quote]BobParr wrote:

[quote]Yo Momma wrote:
Boys are stupid.[/quote]

This.

I told my daughter exactly this. She agreed and added that most of them are gross as well. I think this applies to boys her age (12). And, yes, I would have included myself in this at that age.[/quote]

x2

Also, let her listen to the old Love Line radio show from back in the day. I’d probably be pregnant and on welfare if it wasn’t for that show.

As for birth control, I wouldn’t put my daughter on anything with chemicals that early on, but I would give her all of the information about benefit-cost of each one and make sure she knew about the morning after pill (love line would be the better way of drilling this in her head. Nothing like an Adam Corolla rampage on the stupidity of youth to drive a concept home).[/quote]

I have 8 and 9 year old daughters. We have been telling them “boys are stupid” and “boys lie” for a few years now. I feel validated when they come home and tell me stories of how the neighbor boy did just that - lie and act stupid. Yes. We also delve into how they felt when he acted that way trying to determine what they are admiring or not. It has been good. Really.

To answer the original question, I have been telling them since before they could understand that I am their Dad and next to mommie they are the loves of my life until the day I give them away. Also, that we are saving all of that love and affection for their husband so we need to protect it. As they have grown older, we have set guidelines to give them tools to male good decisions and not find themselves where they shouldn’t be. Also attentively observing their interactionswith boys and the follow up conversations related to the principles we set years ago have been helpful. This almost always produces follow-up conversations about how they handled something or recognized soemthing later.

In summary, I think you have to choose a standard and discern the principles necessary to accomplish that goal. You can always build from that foundation and grow as they grow.

As far as sex, at 8 and 9 they no the names and differences in body parts adn - that “it takes two, it takes two” but no real detail yet. The younger one loves Baby Stories adn they get it - no doubt. The oldest, well, we had an awkward conversation a few years ago when she caught us in the act. I told her to go back to bed and I would be there in a minute. When I got there, she said, …

“Daddy, why were you shaking Momma?”

[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
First of all “Game” is a reaction. It is a necessary social adaptation that men have had to take to keep up with women. How many years has Cosmo <<insert any other magazine that tell women "50 ways to know if he’s cheating, etc…>> been teaching women ALL kinds of “Game”? But when men try to improve themselves socially, they’re labeled a douchebag…[/quote]

There’s a name for chicks who seriously read cosmo…‘douchebags’ :PPPPP

Seriously though, I haven’t touched a cosmo since I was 13 and even then I knew it was worthless and for entertainment purposes only. I’m going to wager that EQ and Oleena don’t read it seriously either. But those who do read it might think ‘game’ is an awesome word. LOL.

But honestly now, you’re not interested in the kind of women who don’t read cosmo anyhow, are you? So who cares what they think?

Trust me when I say that I have never read a single piece of useful ‘game’ advice from any woman’s magazine. Great tips on how to curl my eyelashes and get them to hold the curl though!

Usually you’re pretty quick to point out that there are all sorts of different kinds of women, no two alike and all of that, so I’m surprised you’d suggest that we’d all take crap advice from a rag like cosmo![/quote]

You’re missing my main point. Of course not all women read Cosmo or Marie Clair - the magazines are just the TIP of the iceberg. The MEDIA in general (TV, movies, advertising, etc…) have portrayed very different “archetypes” than what men are wired to deal with. Women adapt to these messages subconsciously weather they like it or not and much of their self image is based upon these images. You don’t wear a hoop skirt and a bonnet to work, do you?

And I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: I didn’t grow up reading about “Game”, I figured women out pretty well early on, but it wasn’t until I became friends with a “PUA guru” in my mid 20’s and had several years of interactions within that “community” that I was able to express to anyone what I figured out by myself. I have also said on many an occasion that about 80% of the “pick up artists” ARE douchebags and are simply selling bullshit products on the internet. MOST MEN REALIZE THIS!!! Just like YOU guys realize most of Cosmo is bullshit!

I’ll go out on a limb here and say that Cosmo DOES give some good advice about 20% of the time - the rest of it is just filler designed to generate enough pages to maintain an acceptable advertising : article ratio. The Game is the same way. About 20% of it is really positive stuff that if ANYONE did it, would move them in a positive direction. I think Oleena linked to a PUA page not too long ago in an attempt to make fun of it, but if you scrolled down the page, it was a list of VERY respected authors and books (but admittedly about HALF of it was “how to seduce her in five minutes” or “Forbidden NLP patters to make you irresistible” or other such bullshit).

My main point is that a guy isn’t a douchebag just because he want’s to improve himself. Especially given all of the “dating advice material” out there and readily available to woman - I don’t care that YOU personally didn’t read it since you were 13 (maybe you learned all you needed to know at 13? I don’t know). But to berate men for taking the same liberties with their social education as women do is simply HYPOCRISY.

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
I have been thinking about this lately. Although I have some time before this needs to be broached I thought it could be an interesting discussion. The age group I had in mind was 12 to 14 years old. A thread some time ago about how young is too young got me thinking about this some. Given girls are starting puberty even earlier than 12 and some guys here think puberty is a green light, well, it got me thinking of what to tell girls about boys who show interest.

So what would tell your daughters (current and/or future) about boys when it comes to relationships and sex?

Addendum: I think a thread about what to tell boys about girls would be interesting at a later date.[/quote]

Catholic School and love.[/quote]

BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!

WRONG ANSWER

Catholic school girls were the EASIEST to bang! When I got expelled from public school, my mom enrolled me in Archbishop Spalding HS. I went through the entire cheerleading squad in ONE SEMESTER. There was actually a contingent of mothers who told the school that if I were returning, that they were withdrawing their daughters (those spoiled little rich girls never stood a chance against a city boy with game - I was everything their parents warned them about). So back to public school I went (in a different county).

Point being, Catholic school girls are the easiest, daddy issue, repressed sexuality having chicks on the planet - when you finally get them alone they go CRAZY. If you want to turn your daughter into a slut, send her to Catholic school.[/quote]

Why is it that guys with fucked up childhood/youths build game so damn early in life? Whenever I hear about guys who have been bangings tons of girls since their teens, they’ve been in jail/have an absentee parent or parents/ been abused/other.

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What you’re asking is why do women go for “bad boys” - that’s a topic worthy of an entire thread…[/quote]

Or why do bad boys have game? You still have to master small talk, learn to read the signals and so forth.

I had work my ass off going to bars/clubs 2-3x/week for several months before I developed decent game.
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The first thing I’d tell my daughters is that, for the life of them, avoid all idiots who spout about having “game.” Probably one of the stupidest terms ever coined and just a massive douche ideology in general. [/quote]

Rrright… apparently referring to your ability to pick up women as game is now stupid. What should I call it then?

Oh and it wouldn’t matter what you told your daughters, a guy with good game could easily overcome anything daddy said.

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Obviously you haven’t dealt with women with a strong relationship with their fathers.[/quote]

Oh you mean like Catholic school girls? :wink:
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No, I mean women with a strong relationship with their fathers.[/quote]

Those are the ones that call me “Daddy” while I’m sticking my dick in their ass.[/quote]

Didn’t say they weren’t, but with a solid relationship with their father, no man’s going to be able to over ride what “Daddy said” easily. [/quote]

I agree, BC - just fuckin’ wit ya!

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

Why is it that guys with fucked up childhood/youths build game so damn early in life? Whenever I hear about guys who have been bangings tons of girls since their teens, they’ve been in jail/have an absentee parent or parents/ been abused/other.

[/quote]

What you’re asking is why do women go for “bad boys” - that’s a topic worthy of an entire thread…[/quote]

But it’s the girls with fucked up childhoods, too. So a better question might be why do troubled, promiscuous girls go for troubled, promiscuous (“bad”) boys and vice versa? The answer is of course that they’re not getting their needs -feeling good, feeling loved, feeling wanted, whatever - met at home.

So in my opinion it’s not so much about what you tell your daughter as that you’re there, making her feel loved by telling her stuff. Same goes for sons.[/quote]

I gotta disagree, EQ. I have successfully attracted literally HUNDREDS of women who didn’t have “fucked up childhoods” (I didn’t sleep with all of them for various reasons). Attraction is something that is independent of rational thought. You just need to know how to “spark” it. Once you know that, it doesn’t MATTER what her childhood was like (granted, picking up chicks that have had troubled childhoods is EASIER, but the drama that often accompanies it makes the extra effort a better investment) [/quote]

You’ve moved away from the original question, which had to do with boys and girls (why/how do guys with fucked up childhoods build game so early, banging tons of girls in teens?). You’re talking about men and women. Yes, men who started out as promiscuous teens can attract non-fucked-up-childhood women as they get older and, as in your case, better able to present well. Same goes for women who start out as promiscuous teens. But where they begin is with each other.

And I would point out that it is common lore here at TN that the sexiest women and the best lays ultimately turn out to be bat shit crazy, according to their frustrated exes. Gamer, meet your childhood sweetheart. :-)[/quote]

I’ll give you that - I was answering the question that I had re-framed. But from MY experience, my point still stands: even when I was in HS, I was fucking just as many girls who were “normal” vs. “fucked up”…

The point is that MOST women (weather they admit it or not) are attracted to “bad boys”. I’m telling you, that is a thread worthy topic!

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

I’ll give you that - I was answering the question that I had re-framed. But from MY experience, my point still stands: even when I was in HS, I was fucking just as many girls who were “normal” vs. “fucked up”…

The point is that MOST women (weather they admit it or not) are attracted to “bad boys”. I’m telling you, that is a thread worthy topic![/quote]

Started. So go post something.

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
I’m pretty sure by the end of this thread, debraD won’t have any friends left on T-Nation.[/quote]

Deb, you might want to take this “Are You a Fab Friend” quiz on cosmopolitan.com: http://www.cosmopolitan.com/quizzes-games/online-quiz/cosmo_quiz_are_you_a_fab_friend

If it turns out you’re not, there are articles there to help you. After all, great friends are like amazing jeans: they offer incredible support and cover your ass when you need it the most. And watch out that your T-Nation pals don’t put you in the middle of a tug-of-war. I’d hate to see you wind up in a toxic friendship triangle. For your own emotional health, you have to realize that it’s okay for friends not to like each other and it doesn’t reflect poorly on you.

These tips can help you avoid the friendship flatline therajraj mentions. [/quote]

I’m a “Fabulous Friend”! YAY!!! I feel so validated now! I need some chocolate… LMAO

Tell your daughters this one:

I can’t take credit for this but I’m reproducing it because I like it.

Written By Lidepi

I see this question posted with some regularity in the many personals sections on the internet and what not, so I thought I’d take a minute to explain things to the ladies out there that haven’t figured it out quite yet.

What happened to all the nice guys?

The answer is simple: you did.

See, if you think back, really hard, you might vaguely remember a Platonic guy pal who always seemed to want to spend time with you. He’d tag along with you when you went shopping, stop by your place for a movie when you were lonely but didn’t feel like going out, or even sit there and hold you while you sobbed and told him about how horribly the (other) guy that you were f***ing treated you.

At the time, you probably joked with your girlfriends about how he was a little puppy dog, always following you around, trying to do things to get you to pay attention to him. They probably teased you because they thought he had a crush on you. Given that his behavior was, admittedly, a little pathetic, you vehemently denied having any romantic feelings for him, and buttressed your position by claiming that you were “just friends.” Besides, he totally wasn’t your type. I mean, he was a little too short, or too bald, or too fat, or too poor, or didn’t know how to dress himself, or basically be or do any of the things that your tall, good-looking, fit, rich, stylish boyfriend at the time pulled off with such ease.

Eventually, your Platonic buddy drifted away, as your relationship with the boyfriend got more serious and spending time with this other guy was, admittedly, a little weird, if you weren’t dating him. More time passed, and the boyfriend eventually cheated on you, or became boring, or you realized that the things that attracted you to him weren’t the kinds of things that make for a good, long-term relationship. So, now, you’re single again, and after having tried the bar scene for several months having only encountered players and douche bags, you wonder, “What happened to all the nice guys?”

Well, once again, you did.

You ignored the nice guy. You used him for emotional intimacy without reciprocating, in kind, with physical intimacy. You laughed at his consideration and resented his devotion. You valued the aloof boyfriend more than the attentive “just-a-” friend. Eventually, he took the hint and moved on with his life. He probably came to realize, one day, that women aren’t really attracted to guys who hold doors open; or make dinners just because; or buy you a Christmas gift that you mentioned, in passing, that you really wanted five months ago; or listen when you’re upset; or hold you when you cry. He came to realize that, if he wanted a woman like you, he’d have to act more like the boyfriend that you had. He probably cleaned up his look, started making some money, and generally acted like more of an asshole than he ever wanted to be.

Fact is, now, he’s probably getting laid, and in a way, your ultimate rejection of him is to thank for that. And I’m sorry that it took the complete absence of “nice guys” in your life for you to realize that you missed them and wanted them. Most women will only have a handful of nice guys stumble into their lives, if that.

So, if you’re looking for a nice guy, here’s what you do:

1.) Build a time machine.

2.) Go back a few years and pull your head out of your ass.

3.) Take a look at what’s right in front of you and grab a hold of it.

I suppose the other possibility is that you STILL don’t really want a nice guy, but you feel the social pressure to at least appear to have matured beyond your infantile taste in men. In which case, you might be in luck, because the nice guy you claim to want has, in reality, shed his nice guy mantle and is out there looking to unleash his cynicism and resentment onto someone just like you.

If you were five years younger.

So, please: either stop misrepresenting what you want, or own up to the fact that you’ve f***ed yourself over. You’re getting older, after all. It’s time to excise the bullshit and deal with reality. You didn’t want a nice guy then, and he certainly doesn’t want you, now.

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
First of all “Game” is a reaction. It is a necessary social adaptation that men have had to take to keep up with women. How many years has Cosmo <<insert any other magazine that tell women "50 ways to know if he’s cheating, etc…>> been teaching women ALL kinds of “Game”? But when men try to improve themselves socially, they’re labeled a douchebag…[/quote]

There’s a name for chicks who seriously read cosmo…‘douchebags’ :PPPPP

Seriously though, I haven’t touched a cosmo since I was 13 and even then I knew it was worthless and for entertainment purposes only. I’m going to wager that EQ and Oleena don’t read it seriously either. But those who do read it might think ‘game’ is an awesome word. LOL.

But honestly now, you’re not interested in the kind of women who don’t read cosmo anyhow, are you? So who cares what they think?

Trust me when I say that I have never read a single piece of useful ‘game’ advice from any woman’s magazine. Great tips on how to curl my eyelashes and get them to hold the curl though!

Usually you’re pretty quick to point out that there are all sorts of different kinds of women, no two alike and all of that, so I’m surprised you’d suggest that we’d all take crap advice from a rag like cosmo![/quote]

You’re missing my main point. Of course not all women read Cosmo or Marie Clair - the magazines are just the TIP of the iceberg. The MEDIA in general (TV, movies, advertising, etc…) have portrayed very different “archetypes” than what men are wired to deal with. Women adapt to these messages subconsciously weather they like it or not and much of their self image is based upon these images. You don’t wear a hoop skirt and a bonnet to work, do you?
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Actually maybe I do… :smiley:

[quote]
And I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: I didn’t grow up reading about “Game”, I figured women out pretty well early on, but it wasn’t until I became friends with a “PUA guru” in my mid 20’s and had several years of interactions within that “community” that I was able to express to anyone what I figured out by myself. I have also said on many an occasion that about 80% of the “pick up artists” ARE douchebags and are simply selling bullshit products on the internet. MOST MEN REALIZE THIS!!! Just like YOU guys realize most of Cosmo is bullshit!

I’ll go out on a limb here and say that Cosmo DOES give some good advice about 20% of the time - the rest of it is just filler designed to generate enough pages to maintain an acceptable advertising : article ratio. The Game is the same way. About 20% of it is really positive stuff that if ANYONE did it, would move them in a positive direction. I think Oleena linked to a PUA page not too long ago in an attempt to make fun of it, but if you scrolled down the page, it was a list of VERY respected authors and books (but admittedly about HALF of it was “how to seduce her in five minutes” or “Forbidden NLP patters to make you irresistible” or other such bullshit). [/quote]

ANYONE can ramble on with garbage and generate 20% of it as sensible, when that %20 is just stating the obvious. Same goes for most of the self-help stuff out there.

[quote]
My main point is that a guy isn’t a douchebag just because he want’s to improve himself. Especially given all of the “dating advice material” out there and readily available to woman - I don’t care that YOU personally didn’t read it since you were 13 (maybe you learned all you needed to know at 13? I don’t know). But to berate men for taking the same liberties with their social education as women do is simply HYPOCRISY.[/quote]

Actually I didn’t call anyone a douchebag (this time =D) Although Wolbarret was asking for the juicebag recognition and I’m pretty sure he’s proud of it.

But even if I did, that isn’t hypocritical since I am not the spokesperson of all women and so I am not accountable for the fact that most women might engage in a certain behavior. I am accountable for ME and my actions. It would be hypocritical if I was berating someone for doing something that I do.

I don’t have any ‘game’ that I am aware of and I’ve never made any effort to work anything while dating. Not that I did much formal dating anyhow. My only ‘strategy’ has ever been to avoid all games, be as straight forward as possible to prevent drama and bullshit and treat men as hobby, not a career. I did NOT read that in cosmo. ( I actually read that on the face of my dissatisfied mother :stuck_out_tongue: )

[quote]Oleena wrote:
I fuck the friendship zone. In fact, I generally want to fuck all of my friends [/quote]

Sending friend request NOW

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
I agree, BC - just fuckin’ ya![/quote]

That’s pretty gay. :wink:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
I’m pretty sure by the end of this thread, debraD won’t have any friends left on T-Nation.[/quote]

Deb, you might want to take this “Are You a Fab Friend” quiz on cosmopolitan.com: http://www.cosmopolitan.com/quizzes-games/online-quiz/cosmo_quiz_are_you_a_fab_friend

If it turns out you’re not, there are articles there to help you. After all, great friends are like amazing jeans: they offer incredible support and cover your ass when you need it the most. And watch out that your T-Nation pals don’t put you in the middle of a tug-of-war. I’d hate to see you wind up in a toxic friendship triangle. For your own emotional health, you have to realize that it’s okay for friends not to like each other and it doesn’t reflect poorly on you.

These tips can help you avoid the friendship flatline therajraj mentions. [/quote]

I’m a “Fabulous Friend”! YAY!!! I feel so validated now! I need some chocolate… LMAO[/quote]

x2…I think that quiz cheated, because there is no way I could be a “fab” friend and a woman be a “fab” friend.

[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
The truth. All sides of it.[/quote]

^Yes to this. let her browse the GAL and SAMA forums here and she will find all side’s of all topics.
seriously im glad mine are boys one is 21 (its a bit hard when he brings home his latest hot girl)the other 16 .let your old lady deal with it always suggest “ask your mum she has a better idea than me” .

I keep teasing my gf that the first set of kids we’ll have will be twin girls.

Honestly, I’m terrified that that would actually happen.

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
I have been thinking about this lately. Although I have some time before this needs to be broached I thought it could be an interesting discussion. The age group I had in mind was 12 to 14 years old. A thread some time ago about how young is too young got me thinking about this some. Given girls are starting puberty even earlier than 12 and some guys here think puberty is a green light, well, it got me thinking of what to tell girls about boys who show interest.

So what would tell your daughters (current and/or future) about boys when it comes to relationships and sex?

Addendum: I think a thread about what to tell boys about girls would be interesting at a later date.[/quote]

Catholic School and love.[/quote]

BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!

WRONG ANSWER

Catholic school girls were the EASIEST to bang! When I got expelled from public school, my mom enrolled me in Archbishop Spalding HS. I went through the entire cheerleading squad in ONE SEMESTER. There was actually a contingent of mothers who told the school that if I were returning, that they were withdrawing their daughters (those spoiled little rich girls never stood a chance against a city boy with game - I was everything their parents warned them about). So back to public school I went (in a different county).

Point being, Catholic school girls are the easiest, daddy issue, repressed sexuality having chicks on the planet - when you finally get them alone they go CRAZY. If you want to turn your daughter into a slut, send her to Catholic school.[/quote]

Lol…too easy.[/quote]

Apparently not too easy seeing as you have no response.