What to Tell Daughter About Boys

I’m not bent out of shape, but I’m just telling you that if I hear someone use those terms, I LOL and judge them as twats. Use them as you see fit however. :smiley:

Edit: my grammar is broken today.

[quote]therajraj wrote:

lol - It’s just a term to describe one’s ability to pick up women. Why is everyone getting so bent out of shape over it?

When I use to be the shy-boy-next-door-type who also use to think such terms were stupid I wasn’t exactly getting with the girls I wanted to be with. To be quite honest, I think it’s beneficial for men to have this mindset and think in terms of “game” and “Alpha Male.”[/quote]

Sir, pay no attention to the haters.

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]Oleena wrote:
I dunno, I thought some of the warnings I received earlier on about guys kept me wary of the ones with “game”. When I was single, I had my fun with them, but never ONCE did it cross my mind to date one or at all let myself get attached to a slick guy. Due to the warnings, I thought it’d be a much better idea to find a poster-boy-next-door who also happened to be shy. Both of the guys I dated long term fit that bill and it’s worked out great.

Thanks to Mom, the smoother a guy is, the more I wonder how much practice he’s had.

Also, FWIW, I don’t know many guys who get great at picking up women who then change overnight and for good once they get in a relationship. Half of the time, when they say “This woman changed me” it’s actually a pick-up line in disguise.[/quote]

My approach was to never be ‘picked up’ :smiley: It wasn’t deliberate or anything but I generally initiated contact with guys I knew I was interested in and was reluctant to guys who hit on me. I’m not sure why I was like that. I was pretty trampy in my youth but I had to make the move.

My attraction to guys has always been quite varied and I have had very strong attractions to all types, good and bad,( except for the super squeaky clean self-proclaimed ‘nice guy’–I could never go for that pile of phony crap) I was always able to cut off the ones I decided were of the bad boy variety, regardless of what my loins were telling me. That was never easy. I can’t say that I’m drawn one way or the other. I have surprised myself with the men I’ve fallen for.

I do maintain, anyone who uses terms like ‘alpha’ and ‘game’ are just fucking clowns. I mean seriously, who the fuck talks like that? cough therajraj cough Come on, you don’t drop that in everyday conversation do you? If you do, you should stop :P[/quote]

lol - It’s just a term to describe one’s ability to pick up women. Why is everyone getting so bent out of shape over it?

When I use to be the shy-boy-next-door-type who also use to think such terms were stupid I wasn’t exactly getting with the girls I wanted to be with. To be quite honest, I think it’s beneficial for men to have this mindset and think in terms of “game” and “Alpha Male.”[/quote]

Maybe not you…but you gotta admit some dudes are super douchey with this shit.

Mystery for example

[quote]debraD wrote:
I’m not bent out of shape, but I’m just telling you that if I here someone use those terms, I LOL and judge them as twats. Use them as you see fit however. :smiley: [/quote]

I’m so Alpha watch me game DebraD right out of them pants.

Ay girl!

[quote]WolBarret wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

lol - It’s just a term to describe one’s ability to pick up women. Why is everyone getting so bent out of shape over it?

When I use to be the shy-boy-next-door-type who also use to think such terms were stupid I wasn’t exactly getting with the girls I wanted to be with. To be quite honest, I think it’s beneficial for men to have this mindset and think in terms of “game” and “Alpha Male.”[/quote]

Sir, pay no attention to the haters.[/quote]

whateveh juicebag

[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]WolBarret wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

lol - It’s just a term to describe one’s ability to pick up women. Why is everyone getting so bent out of shape over it?

When I use to be the shy-boy-next-door-type who also use to think such terms were stupid I wasn’t exactly getting with the girls I wanted to be with. To be quite honest, I think it’s beneficial for men to have this mindset and think in terms of “game” and “Alpha Male.”[/quote]

Sir, pay no attention to the haters.[/quote]

whateveh juicebag

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LOL

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]SlothGuy wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
I have been thinking about this lately. Although I have some time before this needs to be broached I thought it could be an interesting discussion. The age group I had in mind was 12 to 14 years old. A thread some time ago about how young is too young got me thinking about this some. Given girls are starting puberty even earlier than 12 and some guys here think puberty is a green light, well, it got me thinking of what to tell girls about boys who show interest.

So what would tell your daughters (current and/or future) about boys when it comes to relationships and sex?

Addendum: I think a thread about what to tell boys about girls would be interesting at a later date.[/quote]

Catholic School and love.[/quote]

BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!

WRONG ANSWER

Catholic school girls were the EASIEST to bang! When I got expelled from public school, my mom enrolled me in Archbishop Spalding HS. I went through the entire cheerleading squad in ONE SEMESTER. There was actually a contingent of mothers who told the school that if I were returning, that they were withdrawing their daughters (those spoiled little rich girls never stood a chance against a city boy with game - I was everything their parents warned them about). So back to public school I went (in a different county).

Point being, Catholic school girls are the easiest, daddy issue, repressed sexuality having chicks on the planet - when you finally get them alone they go CRAZY. If you want to turn your daughter into a slut, send her to Catholic school.[/quote]

Why is it that guys with fucked up childhood/youths build game so damn early in life? Whenever I hear about guys who have been bangings tons of girls since their teens, they’ve been in jail/have an absentee parent or parents/ been abused/other.

[/quote]

What you’re asking is why do women go for “bad boys” - that’s a topic worthy of an entire thread…[/quote]

Or why do bad boys have game? You still have to master small talk, learn to read the signals and so forth.

I had work my ass off going to bars/clubs 2-3x/week for several months before I developed decent game.
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The first thing I’d tell my daughters is that, for the life of them, avoid all idiots who spout about having “game.” Probably one of the stupidest terms ever coined and just a massive douche ideology in general. [/quote]

Rrright… apparently referring to your ability to pick up women as game is now stupid. What should I call it then?

Oh and it wouldn’t matter what you told your daughters, a guy with good game could easily overcome anything daddy said.

[/quote]

Obviously you haven’t dealt with women with a strong relationship with their fathers.[/quote]

Oh you mean like Catholic school girls? :wink:
[/quote]

No, I mean women with a strong relationship with their fathers.

First of all “Game” is a reaction. It is a necessary social adaptation that men have had to take to keep up with women. How many years has Cosmo <<insert any other magazine that tell women "50 ways to know if he’s cheating, etc…>> been teaching women ALL kinds of “Game”? But when men try to improve themselves socially, they’re labeled a douchebag…

I call BULLSHIT.

In today’s society of absent fathers and mothers working full time, very few males in the United States ever learn how to be MEN. At the same time, we are trying to attract women who have achieved a level of sophistication that would have been UNHEARD of even 40 years ago… Many men are simply not equipped to deal with it naturally (and it’s not like women are evolving into who THEY are naturally - they all want to be one of the Kardashian sisters).

So “Game” or studying social dynamics or whatever else you want to call it is a reaction to how quickly WOMEN have changed in the last few decades. Let’s face it, the bar for men these days is set so high that the average men from the 50’s or the 60’s wouldn’t stand a chance… Think about it.

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]SlothGuy wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
I have been thinking about this lately. Although I have some time before this needs to be broached I thought it could be an interesting discussion. The age group I had in mind was 12 to 14 years old. A thread some time ago about how young is too young got me thinking about this some. Given girls are starting puberty even earlier than 12 and some guys here think puberty is a green light, well, it got me thinking of what to tell girls about boys who show interest.

So what would tell your daughters (current and/or future) about boys when it comes to relationships and sex?

Addendum: I think a thread about what to tell boys about girls would be interesting at a later date.[/quote]

Catholic School and love.[/quote]

BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!

WRONG ANSWER

Catholic school girls were the EASIEST to bang! When I got expelled from public school, my mom enrolled me in Archbishop Spalding HS. I went through the entire cheerleading squad in ONE SEMESTER. There was actually a contingent of mothers who told the school that if I were returning, that they were withdrawing their daughters (those spoiled little rich girls never stood a chance against a city boy with game - I was everything their parents warned them about). So back to public school I went (in a different county).

Point being, Catholic school girls are the easiest, daddy issue, repressed sexuality having chicks on the planet - when you finally get them alone they go CRAZY. If you want to turn your daughter into a slut, send her to Catholic school.[/quote]

Why is it that guys with fucked up childhood/youths build game so damn early in life? Whenever I hear about guys who have been bangings tons of girls since their teens, they’ve been in jail/have an absentee parent or parents/ been abused/other.

[/quote]

What you’re asking is why do women go for “bad boys” - that’s a topic worthy of an entire thread…[/quote]

Or why do bad boys have game? You still have to master small talk, learn to read the signals and so forth.

I had work my ass off going to bars/clubs 2-3x/week for several months before I developed decent game.
[/quote]

The first thing I’d tell my daughters is that, for the life of them, avoid all idiots who spout about having “game.” Probably one of the stupidest terms ever coined and just a massive douche ideology in general. [/quote]

Rrright… apparently referring to your ability to pick up women as game is now stupid. What should I call it then?

Oh and it wouldn’t matter what you told your daughters, a guy with good game could easily overcome anything daddy said.

[/quote]

Obviously you haven’t dealt with women with a strong relationship with their fathers.[/quote]

Oh you mean like Catholic school girls? :wink:
[/quote]

No, I mean women with a strong relationship with their fathers.[/quote]

Those are the ones that call me “Daddy” while I’m sticking my dick in their ass.

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

Why is it that guys with fucked up childhood/youths build game so damn early in life? Whenever I hear about guys who have been bangings tons of girls since their teens, they’ve been in jail/have an absentee parent or parents/ been abused/other.

[/quote]

What you’re asking is why do women go for “bad boys” - that’s a topic worthy of an entire thread…[/quote]

But it’s the girls with fucked up childhoods, too. So a better question might be why do troubled, promiscuous girls go for troubled, promiscuous (“bad”) boys and vice versa? The answer is of course that they’re not getting their needs -feeling good, feeling loved, feeling wanted, whatever - met at home.

So in my opinion it’s not so much about what you tell your daughter as that you’re there, making her feel loved by telling her stuff. Same goes for sons.[/quote]

I gotta disagree, EQ. I have successfully attracted literally HUNDREDS of women who didn’t have “fucked up childhoods” (I didn’t sleep with all of them for various reasons). Attraction is something that is independent of rational thought. You just need to know how to “spark” it. Once you know that, it doesn’t MATTER what her childhood was like (granted, picking up chicks that have had troubled childhoods is EASIER, but the drama that often accompanies it makes the extra effort a better investment)

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
First of all “Game” is a reaction. It is a necessary social adaptation that men have had to take to keep up with women. How many years has Cosmo <<insert any other magazine that tell women "50 ways to know if he’s cheating, etc…>> been teaching women ALL kinds of “Game”? But when men try to improve themselves socially, they’re labeled a douchebag…[/quote]

There’s a name for chicks who seriously read cosmo…‘douchebags’ :PPPPP

Seriously though, I haven’t touched a cosmo since I was 13 and even then I knew it was worthless and for entertainment purposes only. I’m going to wager that EQ and Oleena don’t read it seriously either. But those who do read it might think ‘game’ is an awesome word. LOL.

But honestly now, you’re not interested in the kind of women who don’t read cosmo anyhow, are you? So who cares what they think?

Trust me when I say that I have never read a single piece of useful ‘game’ advice from any woman’s magazine. Great tips on how to curl my eyelashes and get them to hold the curl though!

Usually you’re pretty quick to point out that there are all sorts of different kinds of women, no two alike and all of that, so I’m surprised you’d suggest that we’d all take crap advice from a rag like cosmo!

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]SlothGuy wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
I have been thinking about this lately. Although I have some time before this needs to be broached I thought it could be an interesting discussion. The age group I had in mind was 12 to 14 years old. A thread some time ago about how young is too young got me thinking about this some. Given girls are starting puberty even earlier than 12 and some guys here think puberty is a green light, well, it got me thinking of what to tell girls about boys who show interest.

So what would tell your daughters (current and/or future) about boys when it comes to relationships and sex?

Addendum: I think a thread about what to tell boys about girls would be interesting at a later date.[/quote]

Catholic School and love.[/quote]

BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!

WRONG ANSWER

Catholic school girls were the EASIEST to bang! When I got expelled from public school, my mom enrolled me in Archbishop Spalding HS. I went through the entire cheerleading squad in ONE SEMESTER. There was actually a contingent of mothers who told the school that if I were returning, that they were withdrawing their daughters (those spoiled little rich girls never stood a chance against a city boy with game - I was everything their parents warned them about). So back to public school I went (in a different county).

Point being, Catholic school girls are the easiest, daddy issue, repressed sexuality having chicks on the planet - when you finally get them alone they go CRAZY. If you want to turn your daughter into a slut, send her to Catholic school.[/quote]

Why is it that guys with fucked up childhood/youths build game so damn early in life? Whenever I hear about guys who have been bangings tons of girls since their teens, they’ve been in jail/have an absentee parent or parents/ been abused/other.

[/quote]

What you’re asking is why do women go for “bad boys” - that’s a topic worthy of an entire thread…[/quote]

Or why do bad boys have game? You still have to master small talk, learn to read the signals and so forth.

I had work my ass off going to bars/clubs 2-3x/week for several months before I developed decent game.
[/quote]

The first thing I’d tell my daughters is that, for the life of them, avoid all idiots who spout about having “game.” Probably one of the stupidest terms ever coined and just a massive douche ideology in general. [/quote]

Rrright… apparently referring to your ability to pick up women as game is now stupid. What should I call it then?

Oh and it wouldn’t matter what you told your daughters, a guy with good game could easily overcome anything daddy said.

[/quote]

Obviously you haven’t dealt with women with a strong relationship with their fathers.[/quote]

Oh you mean like Catholic school girls? :wink:
[/quote]

No, I mean women with a strong relationship with their fathers.[/quote]

Those are the ones that call me “Daddy” while I’m sticking my dick in their ass.[/quote]

ROTG!

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
I don’t know. I think meeting someone who really holds your attention can change you. (Edit: this is in response to Oleena’s post.)[/quote]

I’ve never witnessed a guy change because he meets an interesting woman. That’s not to say i’ve never seen one change; just that them acting differently in a relationship was more due to something that happened in a previous relationship or due to some soul searching egged on by his dude friends. The guy has to want it and be ready for it. If he isn’t, it doesn’t matter how much the girl could hold his attention- he simply doesn’t want it to be held.

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]SlothGuy wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
I have been thinking about this lately. Although I have some time before this needs to be broached I thought it could be an interesting discussion. The age group I had in mind was 12 to 14 years old. A thread some time ago about how young is too young got me thinking about this some. Given girls are starting puberty even earlier than 12 and some guys here think puberty is a green light, well, it got me thinking of what to tell girls about boys who show interest.

So what would tell your daughters (current and/or future) about boys when it comes to relationships and sex?

Addendum: I think a thread about what to tell boys about girls would be interesting at a later date.[/quote]

Catholic School and love.[/quote]

BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!

WRONG ANSWER

Catholic school girls were the EASIEST to bang! When I got expelled from public school, my mom enrolled me in Archbishop Spalding HS. I went through the entire cheerleading squad in ONE SEMESTER. There was actually a contingent of mothers who told the school that if I were returning, that they were withdrawing their daughters (those spoiled little rich girls never stood a chance against a city boy with game - I was everything their parents warned them about). So back to public school I went (in a different county).

Point being, Catholic school girls are the easiest, daddy issue, repressed sexuality having chicks on the planet - when you finally get them alone they go CRAZY. If you want to turn your daughter into a slut, send her to Catholic school.[/quote]

Why is it that guys with fucked up childhood/youths build game so damn early in life? Whenever I hear about guys who have been bangings tons of girls since their teens, they’ve been in jail/have an absentee parent or parents/ been abused/other.

[/quote]

What you’re asking is why do women go for “bad boys” - that’s a topic worthy of an entire thread…[/quote]

Or why do bad boys have game? You still have to master small talk, learn to read the signals and so forth.

I had work my ass off going to bars/clubs 2-3x/week for several months before I developed decent game.
[/quote]

The first thing I’d tell my daughters is that, for the life of them, avoid all idiots who spout about having “game.” Probably one of the stupidest terms ever coined and just a massive douche ideology in general. [/quote]

Rrright… apparently referring to your ability to pick up women as game is now stupid. What should I call it then?

Oh and it wouldn’t matter what you told your daughters, a guy with good game could easily overcome anything daddy said.

[/quote]

Obviously you haven’t dealt with women with a strong relationship with their fathers.[/quote]

Oh you mean like Catholic school girls? :wink:
[/quote]

No, I mean women with a strong relationship with their fathers.[/quote]

Those are the ones that call me “Daddy” while I’m sticking my dick in their ass.[/quote]

Didn’t say they weren’t, but with a solid relationship with their father, no man’s going to be able to over ride what “Daddy said” easily.

[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]Oleena wrote:
I dunno, I thought some of the warnings I received earlier on about guys kept me wary of the ones with “game”. When I was single, I had my fun with them, but never ONCE did it cross my mind to date one or at all let myself get attached to a slick guy. Due to the warnings, I thought it’d be a much better idea to find a poster-boy-next-door who also happened to be shy. Both of the guys I dated long term fit that bill and it’s worked out great.

Thanks to Mom, the smoother a guy is, the more I wonder how much practice he’s had.

Also, FWIW, I don’t know many guys who get great at picking up women who then change overnight and for good once they get in a relationship. Half of the time, when they say “This woman changed me” it’s actually a pick-up line in disguise.[/quote]

My approach was to never be ‘picked up’ :smiley: It wasn’t deliberate or anything but I generally initiated contact with guys I knew I was interested in and was reluctant to guys who hit on me. I’m not sure why I was like that. I was pretty trampy in my youth but I had to make the move.

My attraction to guys has always been quite varied and I have had very strong attractions to all types, good and bad,( except for the super squeaky clean self-proclaimed ‘nice guy’–I could never go for that pile of phony crap) I was always able to cut off the ones I decided were of the bad boy variety, regardless of what my loins were telling me. That was never easy. I can’t say that I’m drawn one way or the other. I have surprised myself with the men I’ve fallen for.

I do maintain, anyone who uses terms like ‘alpha’ and ‘game’ are just fucking clowns. I mean seriously, who the fuck talks like that? cough therajraj cough Come on, you don’t drop that in everyday conversation do you? If you do, you should stop :P[/quote]

I LOVE!!! the squeaky clean self-proclaimed nice guys and I had so much fun taking one’s virginity in high school. He had all these great notions about purity and sex, and in the end they just made him more horny. I remember at one point he declared (after we’d been going at it like bunnies for a year) “I think we should wait until marriage.”

I was like “Sure.” and then proceeded to give him the worst, most subtle teasing of his life until one day we were changing out of our swim suits together in his bathroom and he literally fell on the floor, grabbed me, and begged me to fuck him.

It doesn’t matter to me whether the guy initiates it or not, but he’s probably not going to be given a serious chance unless he’s proven himself as a friend. I fuck the friendship zone. In fact, I generally want to fuck all of my friends :confused: It’s a problem, but it seems to me that has to be healthier than wanting to fuck everyone you don’t know.

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

Why is it that guys with fucked up childhood/youths build game so damn early in life? Whenever I hear about guys who have been bangings tons of girls since their teens, they’ve been in jail/have an absentee parent or parents/ been abused/other.

[/quote]

What you’re asking is why do women go for “bad boys” - that’s a topic worthy of an entire thread…[/quote]

But it’s the girls with fucked up childhoods, too. So a better question might be why do troubled, promiscuous girls go for troubled, promiscuous (“bad”) boys and vice versa? The answer is of course that they’re not getting their needs -feeling good, feeling loved, feeling wanted, whatever - met at home.

So in my opinion it’s not so much about what you tell your daughter as that you’re there, making her feel loved by telling her stuff. Same goes for sons.[/quote]

I gotta disagree, EQ. I have successfully attracted literally HUNDREDS of women who didn’t have “fucked up childhoods” (I didn’t sleep with all of them for various reasons). Attraction is something that is independent of rational thought. You just need to know how to “spark” it. Once you know that, it doesn’t MATTER what her childhood was like (granted, picking up chicks that have had troubled childhoods is EASIER, but the drama that often accompanies it makes the extra effort a better investment) [/quote]

You’ve moved away from the original question, which had to do with boys and girls (why/how do guys with fucked up childhoods build game so early, banging tons of girls in teens?). You’re talking about men and women. Yes, men who started out as promiscuous teens can attract non-fucked-up-childhood women as they get older and, as in your case, better able to present well. Same goes for women who start out as promiscuous teens. But where they begin is with each other.

And I would point out that it is common lore here at TN that the sexiest women and the best lays ultimately turn out to be bat shit crazy, according to their frustrated exes. Gamer, meet your childhood sweetheart. :slight_smile:

[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
First of all “Game” is a reaction. It is a necessary social adaptation that men have had to take to keep up with women. How many years has Cosmo <<insert any other magazine that tell women "50 ways to know if he’s cheating, etc…>> been teaching women ALL kinds of “Game”? But when men try to improve themselves socially, they’re labeled a douchebag…[/quote]

There’s a name for chicks who seriously read cosmo…‘douchebags’ :PPPPP

Seriously though, I haven’t touched a cosmo since I was 13 and even then I knew it was worthless and for entertainment purposes only. I’m going to wager that EQ and Oleena don’t read it seriously either. But those who do read it might think ‘game’ is an awesome word. LOL.

But honestly now, you’re not interested in the kind of women who don’t read cosmo anyhow, are you? So who cares what they think?

Trust me when I say that I have never read a single piece of useful ‘game’ advice from any woman’s magazine. Great tips on how to curl my eyelashes and get them to hold the curl though!

Usually you’re pretty quick to point out that there are all sorts of different kinds of women, no two alike and all of that, so I’m surprised you’d suggest that we’d all take crap advice from a rag like cosmo![/quote]

I freaking love reading Cosmo and Glamour in salons and such. I adore all the pretty pictures of pretty things, of course, but I’m also fascinated by the articles. I felt the same way about the PUA emails I was getting for a while when I first stumbled onto TN and gained exposure to the PUA community. I stopped reading after a month or so because like Cosmo, it’s the same thing over and over again. But in small doses, I love reading it. So interesting! Imagine reading this stuff monthly, or weekly in the case of the emails I was getting, and managing your relationships based upon the wisdom contained therein.

I certainly will admit that the “game” stuff is nothing more than breaking down and understanding the process of attraction, and I recognize that I am entirely susceptible to the process given the right conditions. I definitely want a man who gives the appearance of certainty, both in his life and in our pre-sexual dealings. That said, if he can’t come correct with the mind and spark my liking and intellectual interest, all the kino in the world isn’t going to close me.

Same on the other side. If he doesn’t want something more than the shallow, self-centered game a Cosmo girl offers, in my opinion there’s something lacking in him. Cosmo’s regular readership would not attract a man who is deep enough to attract me.

I’m pretty sure by the end of this thread, debraD won’t have any friends left on T-Nation.

[quote]Yo Momma wrote:
Boys are stupid.[/quote]

throw rocks at them

[quote]therajraj wrote:
I’m pretty sure by the end of this thread, debraD won’t have any friends left on T-Nation.[/quote]

Deb, you might want to take this “Are You a Fab Friend” quiz on cosmopolitan.com: http://www.cosmopolitan.com/quizzes-games/online-quiz/cosmo_quiz_are_you_a_fab_friend

If it turns out you’re not, there are articles there to help you. After all, great friends are like amazing jeans: they offer incredible support and cover your ass when you need it the most. And watch out that your T-Nation pals don’t put you in the middle of a tug-of-war. I’d hate to see you wind up in a toxic friendship triangle. For your own emotional health, you have to realize that it’s okay for friends not to like each other and it doesn’t reflect poorly on you.

These tips can help you avoid the friendship flatline therajraj mentions.