My friend in the past few weeks was diagnosed with HIV. I am trying to help him find some alternative medication via testosterone. Anyone have any good information on which types of steroids would be best? Preferably a long ester so that he wouldn’t have to inject as often. What I am looking for is a type that raises RBC.
I was under the impression that steroids, or hormonal treatment was for wasting disease… like AIDS… if he only has HIV… I don’t know if any juice will help that… although I could be wrong…
mesomorphosis.com/articles/anonymous/anabolic-steroids-and-hiv.htm
http://www.thebody.com/Forums/AIDS/Treatment/Archive/Wasting/index.html
Get your friend to read those.
I believe what the op wants is to hit the disease with a preemptive strike. Bulk up and get the RBC above normal. Wise considering the disease.
EPO will get RBC up and so will sleeping in an altitude chamber. I think I read somewhere that EQ will raise RBC count as well but I am not sure on that. Going to check …
Yep
“Bodybuilders of course could usually care less about blood doping, however we do occasionally make note of the fact that steroids do enhance erythropoiesis. Although you most often hear talk of heightened RBC production with Anadrol and Equipoise in particular, this effect is not unique to these drugs. In fact all anabolic/androgenic steroids share this ability to one degree or another, usually in direct proportion to the anabolic capacity of the compound. This is due to the fact that the kidneys share a similar enzyme distribution to the muscles, namely high levels of 3alpha-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase enzymes and little 5alpha-reductase. These two enzymes are the primary force in the disassociation of the androgenic and anabolic properties of various compounds, as they serve to alter their activity in specific target tissues. Renal tissue therefore respond to androgen stimulation on a very similar level to muscle tissue.”
http://mesomorphosis.com/articles/llewellyn/steroids-and-red-blood-cells.htm
Hope that starts you in the right direction.
Thanks a lot dirtbag. I haven’t seen you posting in here for a while or maybe just haven’t paid attention. My friend is thinking about being a subject in a new experimental treatment which is free but I think he should go the route of AAS. I have used before and maybe its just me but when on Deca never got sick even when everyone around me was ill. I do have a very strong immmune system anyways but I digress. Thanks again!
Anytime … tell your friend to stay positive and keep fighting and learning everything he can about treatments. The more informed he is the better his decisions can be. And the longer he will live a productive life.
I post every once in a blue moon but most questions can be answered by looking in the stickies so there is no real reason to post.
Also I only dabble in a cycle once a year. As to not become completely dependent on it for my goals. But I still read on it and learn as much as I can.
Bushy- the only problem I have about growth hormones is that they are not readily available where I live and the sources I do have are ridiculously pricey. Everything around my area is pricey even common AAS. Seem to run into this problem every go around for myself. Thanks for the advice though!
Sorry to hear about your friend, Bushmaster.
I’m more or less with VibeAlive on this. I understand your effort to use the resources on this board to help your friend. Medicine tends to be reactive rather than proactive, but the outlook has improved drastically for those that are HIV+ & I’d be pretty cautious about self-medicating and possibly knocking things off kilter.
AAS certainly can play a very beneficial role wrt the wasting / weight loss experienced by peeps with full blown AIDs. At that stage though, T-cells & other mediators of the body’s immunity are already pretty shot, so the any AAS risks are relatively low compared to their benefits.
For now, there are some interesting suggestions above (EPO & HGH). Your friend may be able to get a presciption for epogen if he’s lucky.
Btw, you might want to do some research at pubmed. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez)
Bushmaster, althought RBC improvement will be great for a HIV+ person, the most important is to get the CD4 count as high as possible.
Some studies have been done in the past and the following has proven to “stimulate” the immune system and thus increase CD4 count:
- Primobolan Depot
- Anavar
- HGH
- Deca (although I personally question Deca)
I know of one particular case where a long suffering HIV+ guy has been on no HIV medication and once a year do a 6-month HGH cycle. His CD4 count never falls below 600 (which is VERY good for a HIV+ person).
The doctor should also have no problem prescribing HGH to a HIV+ person, well, at least if the doctor has some common sense!
Be carefull not to use estrogen blockers. Estrogen plays a big part keeping the immune system healthy. This is also partly one of the reasons guys on heavy cycles fall ill, because they use such strong estrogen blockers that the immune system takes a dive, and then everyone thinks the roids are to blame - lol!
Hope this helps buddy!
LRM
Thanks Final- I am awaiting what his doctor’s ideas are on this subject.
I read a couple places that deca was use for HIV patients.
Yeah I did. Thats what made me wonder if it would help an HIV patient who is not quite wasting yet.
I seen that too on Bigger F. S. I thought it would be perfect for cancer patients and aids wasting. The dood in the movie said it helped his cell counts so it couldn’t hurt. If I was a Dr I would put my patients on it right away.
Unfortunately Dr’s wait till its apparent they need it. Is there not some proactive solutions out there Dr’s can use? Kind of like in a battle you dig in to protect your ground you have already claimed as yours from invasion.
[quote]dirtbag wrote:
I seen that too on Bigger F. S. I thought it would be perfect for cancer patients and aids wasting. The dood in the movie said it helped his cell counts so it couldn’t hurt. If I was a Dr I would put my patients on it right away.
Unfortunately Dr’s wait till its apparent they need it. Is there not some proactive solutions out there Dr’s can use? Kind of like in a battle you dig in to protect your ground you have already claimed as yours from invasion. [/quote]
Dirtbag, I think you hit the nail on the spot.
If I was HIV+, I would do everything in my power to be as proactive as possible and making sure I never get to the point where I am in trouble with my health.
The biggest single reason (by far) why most HIV+ people die is because of muscle wasting. If a person loose something in the region of 52% of muscle weight, you die. Loosing that amount of muscle mass means that there is not enough L-Glutamine in the body to support the immune system and it shut’s down. (L-Glutamine is stored in muscle.)
Muscle wasting in HIV+ people is a strange thing. Everything will seem to be OK but slowly the CD4 count is dropping month by month. Then you go river rafting or something and because of your suppressed immune system, a bacteria get’s into your system (which will normally not affect a healthy individual). This causes you to be hospitalized for a couple of weeks and you loose 15kg muscle just like that. Now if 15kg made up 52% of your muscle mass, you will be dead! But if 15kg only made up 20% of your muscle mass, you would be OK to live another day and recover.
So anyone with common sense can see that it is CRUCIAL for a HIV+ person to make it a focus of his life to add some good muscle mass, as much as he/she can.
Plus a great added benefit (if the HIV+ person chooses the right anabolic) is that his red blood cell count and immune system will get a boost, making him/her even more healthy.
Now the other side of the coin is that the average doctor just does not seem to look at HIV+ proactively and will only treat with prescribed anabolics when the shit hits the fan (which might be way to late in the 15kg muscle lost scenario).
And even worse, one of the best immune system boosting anabolics, Primobolan Depot, is not available through legal means! So the doctor cannot, even if he wants too, prescribe it. Luckily Anavar and HGH is available.
So your friend must be carefull to select a doctor that have a proactive and open minded approach. One of the most crucial aspects of a HIV+ person’s survival is choosing the right medical doctor. Chop and change doctors until you find one YOU can work with.
Hope this helps.
FRM
Ive read of anadrol trials being run with HIV victims. Makes sense due to it being claimed as the most powerful oral.