What Should Training Be Like for These Goals?

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]bendthebar wrote:
See about the numbers thing, my numbers are nothing compared to almost anybody here, but at 170 lb, I can do 90 lb in each hand dumbell bench press 10 reps, 245 lb squat for 7 reps, 205 lb bench press 7 reps, 245 lb deadlift 7 reps, 70 lb in each hand shoulder press 7 reps, and finally 205 lb standing shoulder press 5 reps.
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Wow 21 years old with three years training and you can only squat and deadlift 245 for 7 reps. You are well behind the curve man, especially to be criticising Cutler’s strength.[/quote]

Ok I am way off bendthebar. That was broseph criticising cutler’s strength not you. My mistake.[/quote]

Um I didn’t see at all how that comment was addressed to me. Anyhow, I’m not tripping.

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]bendthebar wrote:
I’m pretty proud of myself right now because nobody, at least not within the first hour has said my routine is sh**.[/quote]
It isn’t. You just need to figure out your rep/set schemes. I’d recommend 5x2-3 on the deads and cleans and 4-5x5 on the back and front squats. Bench press I’d say alternate between 3x5 and 5x3. Your other presses can be the same or have a slight higher rep emphasis. For the curls raises, stick to moderate to high reps. For the other lifts, it depends on what purpose you intend for them. I’m not telling you what to do just making suggestions based on my own opinion.[/quote]

Oh wow, those are some low rep schemes. No matter, it’s advice I’ll take. If you honestly feel like you need to tell me what to do, do it. All I ask of anyone in my life is to be honest, but don’t be a b**** about it. Too bad it’s hard to find people who will do both.

[quote]Hallowed wrote:
If you want to get better at fighting and arm wrestling I suggest practicing and being trained in those two areas.

Simultaneously just lift to get big and strong. For the next six months, at your age, with where you are now in your development I don’t see either one of those two pursuits cancelling the other out. Um, unless you get injured.

Arm Wressling really IS alot to do with technique. If you want to win you’re going to need to learn the proper technique. Of course getting stronger will be of additional benefit.[/quote]

I’ve injured my right leg, I have neck pain now, and my right shoulder I always feel a twinge, which my friend mentioned could be a damaged rotator cuff. Oh, I do plan to win, because during this time, five bucks is worth A LOT to me.

haha

[quote]Chase44 wrote:
My boy Spar4tee, how dare you approve that routine! lol. I agree with the set/rep rotations that Spar. recomended but honestly you need to cut out all the other bull shit isolation exercises for now. Build a base strength; focus on getting stronger and eating 6 times a day. 3 meals and 3 snacks. If you want to really look like a body builder but have some life applicable strength then

prioritze your time in the weight room around the core lifts ; bench over head press squat and dead lift. After reading about your strength levels, it sounds like it might do you some good follow Jim Wendler’s 5/3/1 program. Its simple, and produces resualts.

If you guys really wanted to help the guy you’d point him in the direction of power cleans. It’s full body strength. If I were you with your goals, I’d stick to lots of squats and power cleans with a ton of intensive abdominal and grip work. Idc what anybody on this forum tells you, the legs make a man.
Wanna learn how to fight? Find a boxing class. Who cares if you suck at arm wrestling, arm wrestling is a boys test of strength, not a mans. This is T-Nation, where nuts have been dropped and people love to lift heavy shit. Seriously, don’t over complicate this because youre not the only one in the world who is seeking more functional strength. Eat, sleep, train hard, nourish relationships and make the most of your life. Train your mind as hard as your body and you’ll get there it’s that simple. Work on your cardio, live long and prosper dude. When it’s all said and done and your old and gray it won’t really matter that every muscle in your body when visible and that you could lift x amount of weight.
What really matters is that your heart still beats like a champ and you can out last and edure more than most men.

Good luck[/quote]

Thank you so much! Yeah, to tell you the truth, since I used to work so hard on every single lift to the point I was making myself get so damn angry before I lifted because I was literally that driven to give it my all, I really don’t like isolation lifts. My favorite exercises are dumbbell bench press, close grip bench press, and barbell shoulder press. I will always hate training legs though, but I never waver and train them as hard as possible, one time to the point I was in full fatigue(I couldn’t push the bar another 2 inches) I actually did put power cleans in for shoulder day, but it looks like I should train them olympic style(regularly practicing them throughout the week). I just want to put myself on the right road now, because for the first time, my goals are concrete and actually seem reachable, as opposed to getting my chest bigger(which doesn’t seem to respond despite the fact I hit PR’s every two weeks). See here’s the thing. I saw 5/3/1 as very complicated to understand. It’s not as simple to understand as x exercise x sets x repsYep that’s my new philosophy right there. I want to be able to be better than most men, but not brag about it. If I lift 200 lb in the gym, I damn well can lift 100 lb easily outside. I’d love for anyone to tell me a simplified version of 5/3/1. He talks about that we need to understand percentages, but truthfully for me, I always followed the rep system, if you can’t do x reps, lower the weight, and if you can do more than x reps, then increase weight. Thanks for everyone’s time. In an hour, I start the first day of this new plan, and maximum power is on my mind right now. I Don’t think so much about flexing(for me, great if you want to) I want to dominate my weights.

Hey, man. I’m in the same boat as you. I want to get ripped but I also want functional strength, power, and speed. The program I’m following is rather incomplete and only goes through the first month of the strength training phase for a vertical leap increase but I’ve been having the most fun in the gym ever since starting this routine: http://ironandsoul.com/2011/03/franks-40inch-vertical-workout-program/

Idk, I’ve heard that a lot of people dislike Frank on T-Nation but I really respect what he’s accomplished while having a hell of a time along the way: Frank Yang/Bruce Lee 2.0 楊士毅 - Training Mixtape 跳高與重量訓練集 - YouTube

I just throw in cardio (usually 7-10 1/4 mile sprints or some light recovery jogging after a heavy squat day) on the three off days that are in the program just so i don’t get bored out of my mind. Also because I’ll need it for sports in the Spring and I want to be in the best shape of my life when that rolls around, lol.

[quote]bendthebar wrote:

[quote]Hallowed wrote:
If you want to get better at fighting and arm wrestling I suggest practicing and being trained in those two areas.

Simultaneously just lift to get big and strong. For the next six months, at your age, with where you are now in your develorpment I don’t see either one of those two pursuits cancelling the other out. Um, unless you get injured.

Arm Wressling really IS alot to do with technique. If you want to win you’re going to need to learn the proper technique. Of course getting stronger will be of additional benefit.[/quote]

I’ve injured my right leg, I have neck pain now, and my right shoulder I always feel a twinge, which my friend mentioned could be a damaged rotator cuff. Oh, I do plan to win, because during this time, five bucks is worth A LOT to me. [/quote]

Sorry I missed the five bucks part.

Matters not.

I’m uber competitive and like to win for its own sake.

[quote]bendthebar wrote:

[quote]Chase44 wrote:
My boy Spar4tee, how dare you approve that routine! lol. I agree with the set/rep rotations that Spar. recomended but honestly you need to cut out all the other bull shit isolation exercises for now. Build a base strength; focus on getting stronger and eating 6 times a day. 3 meals and 3 snacks. If you want to really look like a body builder but have some life applicable strength then

prioritze your time in the weight room around the core lifts ; bench over head press squat and dead lift. After reading about your strength levels, it sounds like it might do you some good follow Jim Wendler’s 5/3/1 program. Its simple, and produces resualts.

If you guys really wanted to help the guy you’d point him in the direction of power cleans. It’s full body strength. If I were you with your goals, I’d stick to lots of squats and power cleans with a ton of intensive abdominal and grip work. Idc what anybody on this forum tells you, the legs make a man.
Wanna learn how to fight? Find a boxing class. Who cares if you suck at arm wrestling, arm wrestling is a boys test of strength, not a mans. This is T-Nation, where nuts have been dropped and people love to lift heavy shit. Seriously, don’t over complicate this because youre not the only one in the world who is seeking more functional strength. Eat, sleep, train hard, nourish relationships and make the most of your life. Train your mind as hard as your body and you’ll get there it’s that simple. Work on your cardio, live long and prosper dude. When it’s all said and done and your old and gray it won’t really matter that every muscle in your body when visible and that you could lift x amount of weight.
What really matters is that your heart still beats like a champ and you can out last and edure more than most men.

Good luck[/quote]

Thank you so much! Yeah, to tell you the truth, since I used to work so hard on every single lift to the point I was making myself get so damn angry before I lifted because I was literally that driven to give it my all, I really don’t like isolation lifts. My favorite exercises are dumbbell bench press, close grip bench press, and barbell shoulder press. I will always hate training legs though, but I never waver and train them as hard as possible, one time to the point I was in full fatigue(I couldn’t push the bar another 2 inches) I actually did put power cleans in for shoulder day, but it looks like I should train them olympic style(regularly practicing them throughout the week). I just want to put myself on the right road now, because for the first time, my goals are concrete and actually seem reachable, as opposed to getting my chest bigger(which doesn’t seem to respond despite the fact I hit PR’s every two weeks). See here’s the thing. I saw 5/3/1 as very complicated to understand. It’s not as simple to understand as x exercise x sets x repsYep that’s my new philosophy right there. I want to be able to be better than most men, but not brag about it. If I lift 200 lb in the gym, I damn well can lift 100 lb easily outside. I’d love for anyone to tell me a simplified version of 5/3/1. He talks about that we need to understand percentages, but truthfully for me, I always followed the rep system, if you can’t do x reps, lower the weight, and if you can do more than x reps, then increase weight. Thanks for everyone’s time. In an hour, I start the first day of this new plan, and maximum power is on my mind right now. I Don’t think so much about flexing(for me, great if you want to) I want to dominate my weights. [/quote]
Wendler just devised a new spin on 5/3/1 in his livespill. Check it out.

[quote]bendthebar wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]bendthebar wrote:
I’m pretty proud of myself right now because nobody, at least not within the first hour has said my routine is sh**.[/quote]
It isn’t. You just need to figure out your rep/set schemes. I’d recommend 5x2-3 on the deads and cleans and 4-5x5 on the back and front squats. Bench press I’d say alternate between 3x5 and 5x3. Your other presses can be the same or have a slight higher rep emphasis. For the curls raises, stick to moderate to high reps. For the other lifts, it depends on what purpose you intend for them. I’m not telling you what to do just making suggestions based on my own opinion.[/quote]

Oh wow, those are some low rep schemes. No matter, it’s advice I’ll take. If you honestly feel like you need to tell me what to do, do it. All I ask of anyone in my life is to be honest, but don’t be a b**** about it. Too bad it’s hard to find people who will do both. [/quote]
I get what you’re saying. I really wasn’t really telling you what. I guess I word my suggestions poorly because every time I give someone a suggestion they take it as me telling them what to do and get defensive when I’m simply stating what I would be. However when I give flat out orders they do it, so I guess it’s a confidence factor. I’m a nice guy, so it bothers me when I feel someone sees me as a dick, although I know I can’t make everyone like me. Guess I’ll have to talk with my left teste from now on.

[quote]Zooguido wrote:
Hey, man. I’m in the same boat as you. I want to get ripped but I also want functional strength, power, and speed. The program I’m following is rather incomplete and only goes through the first month of the strength training phase for a vertical leap increase but I’ve been having the most fun in the gym ever since starting this routine: http://ironandsoul.com/2011/03/franks-40inch-vertical-workout-program/

Idk, I’ve heard that a lot of people dislike Frank on T-Nation but I really respect what he’s accomplished while having a hell of a time along the way: Frank Yang/Bruce Lee 2.0 楊士毅 - Training Mixtape 跳高與重量訓練集 - YouTube

I just throw in cardio (usually 7-10 1/4 mile sprints or some light recovery jogging after a heavy squat day) on the three off days that are in the program just so i don’t get bored out of my mind. Also because I’ll need it for sports in the Spring and I want to be in the best shape of my life when that rolls around, lol.[/quote]

If he shows strength in real life and good fighting ability, I would call him my idol. That guy is ridiculous. On second thought after watching some of his videos, this guy pisses me off. Some of the videos he does are downright absurd.

[quote]Hallowed wrote:

[quote]bendthebar wrote:

[quote]Hallowed wrote:
If you want to get better at fighting and arm wrestling I suggest practicing and being trained in those two areas.

Simultaneously just lift to get big and strong. For the next six months, at your age, with where you are now in your develorpment I don’t see either one of those two pursuits cancelling the other out. Um, unless you get injured.

Arm Wressling really IS alot to do with technique. If you want to win you’re going to need to learn the proper technique. Of course getting stronger will be of additional benefit.[/quote]

I’ve injured my right leg, I have neck pain now, and my right shoulder I always feel a twinge, which my friend mentioned could be a damaged rotator cuff. Oh, I do plan to win, because during this time, five bucks is worth A LOT to me. [/quote]

Sorry I missed the five bucks part.

Matters not.

I’m uber competitive and like to win for its own sake. [/quote]

Same here(: I used to accept losing but not anymore. I’m not a sore loser though. I admit if I’m lost but promise to do better.

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]bendthebar wrote:

[quote]Chase44 wrote:
My boy Spar4tee, how dare you approve that routine! lol. I agree with the set/rep rotations that Spar. recomended but honestly you need to cut out all the other bull shit isolation exercises for now. Build a base strength; focus on getting stronger and eating 6 times a day. 3 meals and 3 snacks. If you want to really look like a body builder but have some life applicable strength then

prioritze your time in the weight room around the core lifts ; bench over head press squat and dead lift. After reading about your strength levels, it sounds like it might do you some good follow Jim Wendler’s 5/3/1 program. Its simple, and produces resualts.

If you guys really wanted to help the guy you’d point him in the direction of power cleans. It’s full body strength. If I were you with your goals, I’d stick to lots of squats and power cleans with a ton of intensive abdominal and grip work. Idc what anybody on this forum tells you, the legs make a man.
Wanna learn how to fight? Find a boxing class. Who cares if you suck at arm wrestling, arm wrestling is a boys test of strength, not a mans. This is T-Nation, where nuts have been dropped and people love to lift heavy shit. Seriously, don’t over complicate this because youre not the only one in the world who is seeking more functional strength. Eat, sleep, train hard, nourish relationships and make the most of your life. Train your mind as hard as your body and you’ll get there it’s that simple. Work on your cardio, live long and prosper dude. When it’s all said and done and your old and gray it won’t really matter that every muscle in your body when visible and that you could lift x amount of weight.
What really matters is that your heart still beats like a champ and you can out last and edure more than most men.

Good luck[/quote]

Thank you so much! Yeah, to tell you the truth, since I used to work so hard on every single lift to the point I was making myself get so damn angry before I lifted because I was literally that driven to give it my all, I really don’t like isolation lifts. My favorite exercises are dumbbell bench press, close grip bench press, and barbell shoulder press. I will always hate training legs though, but I never waver and train them as hard as possible, one time to the point I was in full fatigue(I couldn’t push the bar another 2 inches) I actually did put power cleans in for shoulder day, but it looks like I should train them olympic style(regularly practicing them throughout the week). I just want to put myself on the right road now, because for the first time, my goals are concrete and actually seem reachable, as opposed to getting my chest bigger(which doesn’t seem to respond despite the fact I hit PR’s every two weeks). See here’s the thing. I saw 5/3/1 as very complicated to understand. It’s not as simple to understand as x exercise x sets x repsYep that’s my new philosophy right there. I want to be able to be better than most men, but not brag about it. If I lift 200 lb in the gym, I damn well can lift 100 lb easily outside. I’d love for anyone to tell me a simplified version of 5/3/1. He talks about that we need to understand percentages, but truthfully for me, I always followed the rep system, if you can’t do x reps, lower the weight, and if you can do more than x reps, then increase weight. Thanks for everyone’s time. In an hour, I start the first day of this new plan, and maximum power is on my mind right now. I Don’t think so much about flexing(for me, great if you want to) I want to dominate my weights. [/quote]
Wendler just devised a new spin on 5/3/1 in his livespill. Check it out.[/quote]

Will do.

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]bendthebar wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]bendthebar wrote:
I’m pretty proud of myself right now because nobody, at least not within the first hour has said my routine is sh**.[/quote]
It isn’t. You just need to figure out your rep/set schemes. I’d recommend 5x2-3 on the deads and cleans and 4-5x5 on the back and front squats. Bench press I’d say alternate between 3x5 and 5x3. Your other presses can be the same or have a slight higher rep emphasis. For the curls raises, stick to moderate to high reps. For the other lifts, it depends on what purpose you intend for them. I’m not telling you what to do just making suggestions based on my own opinion.[/quote]

Oh wow, those are some low rep schemes. No matter, it’s advice I’ll take. If you honestly feel like you need to tell me what to do, do it. All I ask of anyone in my life is to be honest, but don’t be a b**** about it. Too bad it’s hard to find people who will do both. [/quote]
I get what you’re saying. I really wasn’t really telling you what. I guess I word my suggestions poorly because every time I give someone a suggestion they take it as me telling them what to do and get defensive when I’m simply stating what I would be. However when I give flat out orders they do it, so I guess it’s a confidence factor. I’m a nice guy, so it bothers me when I feel someone sees me as a dick, although I know I can’t make everyone like me. Guess I’ll have to talk with my left teste from now on.[/quote]

Uh uh, don’t change a damn thing. Say what’s on your mind. We shouldn’t have to tiptoe around eggshells when talking to people and making it like a game. Save that for school or when you have to do a project for work. Communication never should be compromised, and I really could care less if half the people always try to please people with what they say. I’m not saying you should be a bitch though. “You’re f**king stupid. Look at your routine look at your body. GTFO of here. Matter of fact, get off the forum.” In real life: Shut the fuck up. You talk like a bitch, you walk like a bitch, so you are a bitch. Get out of here before I slap you in the face and fuck you in the ass, bitch." That’s totally not necessary. Ok, a it excessive but people on forums do act and talk like that and not offer any advice.

[quote]bendthebar wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]bendthebar wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]bendthebar wrote:
I’m pretty proud of myself right now because nobody, at least not within the first hour has said my routine is sh**.[/quote]
It isn’t. You just need to figure out your rep/set schemes. I’d recommend 5x2-3 on the deads and cleans and 4-5x5 on the back and front squats. Bench press I’d say alternate between 3x5 and 5x3. Your other presses can be the same or have a slight higher rep emphasis. For the curls raises, stick to moderate to high reps. For the other lifts, it depends on what purpose you intend for them. I’m not telling you what to do just making suggestions based on my own opinion.[/quote]

Oh wow, those are some low rep schemes. No matter, it’s advice I’ll take. If you honestly feel like you need to tell me what to do, do it. All I ask of anyone in my life is to be honest, but don’t be a b**** about it. Too bad it’s hard to find people who will do both. [/quote]
I get what you’re saying. I really wasn’t really telling you what. I guess I word my suggestions poorly because every time I give someone a suggestion they take it as me telling them what to do and get defensive when I’m simply stating what I would be. However when I give flat out orders they do it, so I guess it’s a confidence factor. I’m a nice guy, so it bothers me when I feel someone sees me as a dick, although I know I can’t make everyone like me. Guess I’ll have to talk with my left teste from now on.[/quote]

Uh uh, don’t change a damn thing. Say what’s on your mind. We shouldn’t have to tiptoe around eggshells when talking to people and making it like a game. Save that for school or when you have to do a project for work. Communication never should be compromised, and I really could care less if half the people always try to please people with what they say. I’m not saying you should be a bitch though. “You’re f**king stupid. Look at your routine look at your body. GTFO of here. Matter of fact, get off the forum.” In real life: Shut the fuck up. You talk like a bitch, you walk like a bitch, so you are a bitch. Get out of here before I slap you in the face and fuck you in the ass, bitch." That’s totally not necessary.[/quote]
I won’t change trust me. I just need to be more confident when communicating with new people. I’m somewhat introverted (not Big Bang theory introverted but you get what I’m saying), so I don’t normally express myself well until I get comfortable with them. I used to be the kid that would walk around with his head down and not go to parties or hang out, but I’ve improved significantly over the years thanks to friends, life experiences, and lifting. I just need a bit more oomph.

nb4 someone whines about derailing

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]bendthebar wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]bendthebar wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]bendthebar wrote:
I’m pretty proud of myself right now because nobody, at least not within the first hour has said my routine is sh**.[/quote]
It isn’t. You just need to figure out your rep/set schemes. I’d recommend 5x2-3 on the deads and cleans and 4-5x5 on the back and front squats. Bench press I’d say alternate between 3x5 and 5x3. Your other presses can be the same or have a slight higher rep emphasis. For the curls raises, stick to moderate to high reps. For the other lifts, it depends on what purpose you intend for them. I’m not telling you what to do just making suggestions based on my own opinion.[/quote]

Oh wow, those are some low rep schemes. No matter, it’s advice I’ll take. If you honestly feel like you need to tell me what to do, do it. All I ask of anyone in my life is to be honest, but don’t be a b**** about it. Too bad it’s hard to find people who will do both. [/quote]
I get what you’re saying. I really wasn’t really telling you what. I guess I word my suggestions poorly because every time I give someone a suggestion they take it as me telling them what to do and get defensive when I’m simply stating what I would be. However when I give flat out orders they do it, so I guess it’s a confidence factor. I’m a nice guy, so it bothers me when I feel someone sees me as a dick, although I know I can’t make everyone like me. Guess I’ll have to talk with my left teste from now on.[/quote]

Uh uh, don’t change a damn thing. Say what’s on your mind. We shouldn’t have to tiptoe around eggshells when talking to people and making it like a game. Save that for school or when you have to do a project for work. Communication never should be compromised, and I really could care less if half the people always try to please people with what they say. I’m not saying you should be a bitch though. “You’re f**king stupid. Look at your routine look at your body. GTFO of here. Matter of fact, get off the forum.” In real life: Shut the fuck up. You talk like a bitch, you walk like a bitch, so you are a bitch. Get out of here before I slap you in the face and fuck you in the ass, bitch." That’s totally not necessary.[/quote]
I won’t change trust me. I just need to be more confident when communicating with new people. I’m somewhat introverted (not Big Bang theory introverted but you get what I’m saying), so I don’t normally express myself well until I get comfortable with them. I used to be the kid that would walk around with his head down and not go to parties or hang out, but I’ve improved significantly over the years thanks to friends, life experiences, and lifting. I just need a bit more oomph.[/quote]

Damn your life emulates mine. I’m still a lil bit collected, but definitely not “head down” guy anymore.

[quote]spar4tee wrote:
nb4 someone whines about derailing[/quote]

let him whine then. I can’t wait to workout. Just have to wait for my workout partner, more like student. He wants to learn how to get big, so basically I’m emulating what everybody on the forum says. “Stick to the basics, lift heavy, eat, and sleep. No, seriously sleep is important. Don’t party late out at night everyday after gym and expect to see impressive results. You can expect some results, but you seriously want to get less for how hard you worked?”

[quote]bendthebar wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:
nb4 someone whines about derailing[/quote]

let him whine then. I can’t wait to workout. Just have to wait for my workout partner, more like student. He wants to learn how to get big, so basically I’m emulating what everybody on the forum says. “Stick to the basics, lift heavy, eat, and sleep. No, seriously sleep is important. Don’t party late out at night everyday after gym and expect to see impressive results. You can expect some results, but you seriously want to get less for how hard you worked?”
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Cool deal. I’ve had some guys like that. It feels good to help people but it sucks when they aren’t consistent. Just be straight up with the dude if he starts slacking although I hope he sticks with it. The only party parties I’ve been to were prom and the parties we threw on our senior trip to Puerto Rico.

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]bendthebar wrote:
See about the numbers thing, my numbers are nothing compared to almost anybody here, but at 170 lb, I can do 90 lb in each hand dumbell bench press 10 reps, 245 lb squat for 7 reps, 205 lb bench press 7 reps, 245 lb deadlift 7 reps, 70 lb in each hand shoulder press 7 reps, and finally 205 lb standing shoulder press 5 reps.

I at least should be able to carry 50 lb loads easily or at least carry 45 lb plates around like they’re milk jugs, but none of those things are happening, so I must be doing something wrong. And thanks to bones for the advice: combat or strongman were actually my first choice for posting, til I realized what kind of people could be posting there.[/quote]
Those numbers are pretty wacky. Squats and deads identical and military press close to matching your bench. Strange it looks like you have strong shoulders and triceps, poor lifting technique, and a relatively weak lower body. How long have you been lifting? Was something like maybe you started about 2-3 years ago and started training lower body seriously a few months ago? That’s the only way I can understand those numbers. Not flaming just a little confused.[/quote]

You are right. I’ve trained lower body seriously for about a year and a half now.

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]bendthebar wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:
nb4 someone whines about derailing[/quote]

let him whine then. I can’t wait to workout. Just have to wait for my workout partner, more like student. He wants to learn how to get big, so basically I’m emulating what everybody on the forum says. “Stick to the basics, lift heavy, eat, and sleep. No, seriously sleep is important. Don’t party late out at night everyday after gym and expect to see impressive results. You can expect some results, but you seriously want to get less for how hard you worked?”
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Cool deal. I’ve had some guys like that. It feels good to help people but it sucks when they aren’t consistent. Just be straight up with the dude if he starts slacking although I hope he sticks with it. The only party parties I’ve been to were prom and the parties we threw on our senior trip to Puerto Rico.[/quote]

Nice. Haha I never had a prom.