[quote]bendthebar wrote:
I’m hoping I get answered by the right person. I’ve been a little hesitant posting this because it seems like everybody is into bodybuilding but it seems Thib now values performance also. So I’ve figured out my goals and I could lay them out right here. I may get flamed, I may be called crazy but here they are.
Is there a possible way to look like a bodybuilder(dense, hard, grainy, not huge, frankly, I’d be happy with Dr. Hall’s size now, truth is he’s pretty damn huge now, especially at his age) and have close to the power and speed of bruce lee, along with being able to actually lift 50 lb of something in real life as opposed to just dumbbells? Those are my goals. They might sound ridiculous but those are my goals now due to a huge revelation when I got beaten by my skinny-fat friend in arm-wrestling. I’m clearly bigger than him, but despite my greatest effort, I couldn’t pin him, and when he did try, he would pin me fast. He has no bicep or shoulders or triceps whatsoever, he’s skinnier than me, and he definitely has more fat than me. Maybe I’m taking this too hard, but I actually want to be able to do stuff with my muscle, and be able to perform big if I look big.
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arm wrestling has very little to do with strength. some strength is involved but its mostly all technique. I was once beat by a guy who was a buck 65, probably couldn’t bench 180lbs or military press a brook stick, yet he beat me in arm wrestling. does that mean hes stronger, hell no. means he knows how to arm wrestle.
What’s that got to do with anything? I could be a paraplegic for all it matters, that doesn’t change the facts.
315lbs for a 300lb guy is weak by any definition.
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So, post a video of your six sets of ten with 315 after hacks and leg press. Please show us how you dominate these “low numbers”. ’
This isn’t about dominating anything or anyone. You were passive agressive from the very start, and when you got your video of a bodybuilder moving girly weights you went defensive.
Get over these crippling insecurities, noones trying to ‘dominate’ anyone here. It is what it is.
[quote]bendthebar wrote:
Yeah, I thought it was pretty impressive that Jay could do that weight for that reps after pre-exhausting. On one hand, I’m thinking he’s huge and should be able to do so much more. On the other, I’ve seen how he trains and how little weight he sticks to using and this definitely impresses me. [/quote]
Did you watch the video?
He claims a 700lbs squat.
Fuck is wrong with people?[/quote]
Wow, 700 whole lbs?
That’s nearly as much as Jack Barnes’ 710lb squat! And only weighing 130lbs more!
I guess this settles it.
arm wrestling has very little to do with strength. some strength is involved but its mostly all technique. I was once beat by a guy who was a buck 65, probably couldn’t bench 180lbs or military press a brook stick, yet he beat me in arm wrestling. does that mean hes stronger, hell no. means he knows how to arm wrestle. [/quote]
Great story RV. If this really happened (which it didn’t), then you’re not the guy in your avatar picture (you’re not).
I’m 21, been training for 3 years now. Nope, no half reps. I squat parallel, sometimes below that, I deadlift without an alternate grip, meaning both hands have palms facing me, I don’t use a belt or chalk, and I won’t strap up until I can reach 3 plates for 10 reps. I switch to the concentric of my shoulder presses and dumbbell bench presses once my arms reach 90 degree angles and on bench press I don’t switch to the concentric until the bar touches my chest. So, someone said I should be stronger and another person says I’m doing half reps, meaning I’m pretty strong. Which one’s right? No offense, but I came to get advice on how to train, not have people tell me "don’t worry about it, “seriously, you train like that,” sort of replies. And for the arm wrestling, that’s just a very very small goal. My big goals, I’ve already laid out.
[quote]bendthebar wrote:
Yeah, I thought it was pretty impressive that Jay could do that weight for that reps after pre-exhausting. On one hand, I’m thinking he’s huge and should be able to do so much more. On the other, I’ve seen how he trains and how little weight he sticks to using and this definitely impresses me. [/quote]
Did you watch the video?
He claims a 700lbs squat.
Fuck is wrong with people?[/quote]
Wow, 700 whole lbs?
That’s nearly as much as Jack Barnes’ 710lb squat! And only weighing 130lbs more!
I guess this settles it.
[quote]Blaze_108 wrote:
I have yet to find a strength-intensive situation in which added strength from the weigth room DOESN’T translate. I’d bet a large amount of money that a guy with a 455 deadlift will have an easier time moving a dresser than a guy with a 225lb deadlift.
If you think 50lbs is heavy when not in dumbell form, you probably haven’t built enough strength in the weight room to know for sure how it translates.
You have to choose between your goals though. You can be huge, and slightly (or a lot, depending) slower, or you can be smaller but quicker. Very few people can be both and perform at a high level.
Close to the power and speed of bruce lee? If you can’t begin to approach it at your current weight/strength (and very few could/can), you likely never will.
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hey man thanks for the reply anway. I don’t have a problem being smaller actually. I would be sorely broken emotionally if I continued to be big but added another statistic to the stereotype “show no go” when it came time to perform.[/quote]
[quote]bendthebar wrote:
Yeah, I thought it was pretty impressive that Jay could do that weight for that reps after pre-exhausting. On one hand, I’m thinking he’s huge and should be able to do so much more. On the other, I’ve seen how he trains and how little weight he sticks to using and this definitely impresses me. [/quote]
Did you watch the video?
He claims a 700lbs squat.
Fuck is wrong with people?[/quote]
Wow, 700 whole lbs?
That’s nearly as much as Jack Barnes’ 710lb squat! And only weighing 130lbs more!
I guess this settles it.
[quote]bendthebar wrote:
Yeah, I thought it was pretty impressive that Jay could do that weight for that reps after pre-exhausting. On one hand, I’m thinking he’s huge and should be able to do so much more. On the other, I’ve seen how he trains and how little weight he sticks to using and this definitely impresses me. [/quote]
Did you watch the video?
He claims a 700lbs squat.
Fuck is wrong with people?[/quote]
Wow, 700 whole lbs?
That’s nearly as much as Jack Barnes’ 710lb squat! And only weighing 130lbs more!
I guess this settles it.
[quote]bendthebar wrote:
See about the numbers thing, my numbers are nothing compared to almost anybody here, but at 170 lb, I can do 90 lb in each hand dumbell bench press 10 reps, 245 lb squat for 7 reps, 205 lb bench press 7 reps, 245 lb deadlift 7 reps, 70 lb in each hand shoulder press 7 reps, and finally 205 lb standing shoulder press 5 reps.
I at least should be able to carry 50 lb loads easily or at least carry 45 lb plates around like they’re milk jugs, but none of those things are happening, so I must be doing something wrong. And thanks to bones for the advice: combat or strongman were actually my first choice for posting, til I realized what kind of people could be posting there.[/quote]
Those numbers are pretty wacky. Squats and deads identical and military press close to matching your bench. Strange it looks like you have strong shoulders and triceps, poor lifting technique, and a relatively weak lower body. How long have you been lifting? Was something like maybe you started about 2-3 years ago and started training lower body seriously a few months ago? That’s the only way I can understand those numbers. Not flaming just a little confused.
[quote]bendthebar wrote:
Yeah, I thought it was pretty impressive that Jay could do that weight for that reps after pre-exhausting. On one hand, I’m thinking he’s huge and should be able to do so much more. On the other, I’ve seen how he trains and how little weight he sticks to using and this definitely impresses me. [/quote]
Did you watch the video?
He claims a 700lbs squat.
Fuck is wrong with people?[/quote]
I guess it’s equally unimpressive that he does all of his sets with less than 60 seconds of rest.
The amount of weight someone is ABLE to lift and the weight that they ACTUALLY lift with a very specific goal in mind are completely exclusive of each other.
Youd think after Yates has stated multiple times how lifting as heavy as possible every day in the gym cut his career short that people would get it through their heads that bodybuilding and ego strength dont mix.
[quote]bendthebar wrote:
I’m 21, been training for 3 years now. Nope, no half reps. I squat parallel, sometimes below that, I deadlift without an alternate grip, meaning both hands have palms facing me, I don’t use a belt or chalk, and I won’t strap up until I can reach 3 plates for 10 reps. I switch to the concentric of my shoulder presses and dumbbell bench presses once my arms reach 90 degree angles and on bench press I don’t switch to the concentric until the bar touches my chest. So, someone said I should be stronger and another person says I’m doing half reps, meaning I’m pretty strong. Which one’s right? No offense, but I came to get advice on how to train, not have people tell me "don’t worry about it, “seriously, you train like that,” sort of replies. And for the arm wrestling, that’s just a very very small goal. My big goals, I’ve already laid out. [/quote]
my bad just saw this
[quote]Broseph21 wrote:
Yes, they were competitive PLers.
I didn’t mean any disrespect either, to the posters or Cutler, sorry if I came across as inflammatory or trollish. Just calling it how I see it.[/quote]
Don’t sweat it. Things always get lost in translation on the interwebz.
[quote]Blaze_108 wrote:
I have yet to find a strength-intensive situation in which added strength from the weigth room DOESN’T translate. I’d bet a large amount of money that a guy with a 455 deadlift will have an easier time moving a dresser than a guy with a 225lb deadlift.
If you think 50lbs is heavy when not in dumbell form, you probably haven’t built enough strength in the weight room to know for sure how it translates.
You have to choose between your goals though. You can be huge, and slightly (or a lot, depending) slower, or you can be smaller but quicker. Very few people can be both and perform at a high level.
Close to the power and speed of bruce lee? If you can’t begin to approach it at your current weight/strength (and very few could/can), you likely never will.
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hey man thanks for the reply anway. I don’t have a problem being smaller actually. I would be sorely broken emotionally if I continued to be big but added another statistic to the stereotype “show no go” when it came time to perform.[/quote]
I’m guessing this isn’t you in your avatar.[/quote]
Alright looks like I have to lay out my training plan that I think will work. Spar4tee, thanks for at least giving some kind of advice. But here’s how I plan to train. Keep in mind I only have enough money to get whey protein and can’t really follow CT’s training because it is crowded as hell in my gym and I have no money to get a prowler.
monday-chest-tri
Ramping weight all the way to work set-once there, bench press 3 sets for 5-7 reps. Only last set will be to failure. I’ll just say it now, every single exercise will be trained with the same sets and reps. All reps will be done as explosive as possible, trying to use perfect form. I would think slowing down the eccentric could increase strength as per my goal, but somebody told me power is much more efficient, provided you’re actually giving forth effort to be explosive as possible as opposed to just lift the bar faster.
Incline bench
Dips
Standing French press
Tricep pulldown
Back Squats
Front Squats
Dumbbell leg curls(on the ground)
Dumbbell Leg extensions(sitting on the hammer press machine)
Stiff-legged deadlift
Shoulders-
Dumbbell Shoulder press OR barbell shoulder press
Front raises
Power shrugs
Power cleans
I’m starting it this week. Anybody, feel free to critique. If you call me dumb for this routine, let me know what I can change.
I used to work out six days a week, but people told me that’s just too much, and strangely when I dialed it back, I started getting even stronger and a bit bigger. But if somebody thinks otherwise, let me know what I should do.