What Price for White Skin?

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:

I’m talking about how people view each other,their historical backgrounds ,the cause and effect of the past,and of looking beyond their own pet view of theories of how things are,and that there may,just may,be another explanation or reasons why things are the way they are.

To try to not be bound by one’s mental constructs to the point that they exclude any other viable view point.

To entertain the notion that one can say “I don’t know” or I’m not sure"
or “You may be right” and that this will not lead to the fall of civilization as we know it.

The only problem with this is that you want all the whites to change the way we think, but refuse to change the way you think. I agree racism still exists, and it’s a problem. Do you agree that blacks (in general) do not help their own cause when it comes to being viewed without these negative connotations?[/quote]

Good luck with this.

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[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Race isn’t even close to being the biggest stumbling block for blacks. You will never close the achievment gap with a 70.7% illegitimacy rate (26.6 for non-hispanic whites). Ever.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr56/nvsr56_07.pdf[

Don’t you think you’re putting the cart before the horse?

It is more like a chicken and egg. Poverty and illegitimacy feed off each other.

Exactly.

And what has to be adressed is that individuals are inherently unwilling and unable to look in the mirror and say to themselves “You know,I am responsible for the current situation.If my attitudes don’t alter,the situation isn’t going to change”

That just makes people waaaaaay too uncomfortable.

Much easier to chalk it up to somebody else.

and this applies to both sides of any argument.

But unfortunately,when one is in the majority group and all comfy with the status quo,that makes it all the more difficult to find the motivation to change one’s point of view.

But the kicker is that,being in the majority,one will have the biggest effect on the situation,and hence,in my opinion,the onus rests heavier on the majority to effect any positive change.

Will that happen?Personally I don’t think so.

We live in the era of…

“I’m ok Jack,pull up the ladder.”

What kind of change are you talking about? You want me to marry and raise the absent father’s child?! No!

I’m talking about how people view each other,their historical backgrounds ,the cause and effect of the past,and of looking beyond their own pet view of theories of how things are,and that there may,just may,be another explanation or reasons why things are the way they are.

To try to not be bound by one’s mental constructs to the point that they exclude any other viable view point.

To entertain the notion that one can say “I don’t know” or I’m not sure"
or “You may be right” and that this will not lead to the fall of civilization as we know it.[/quote]

Again, what exactly is the majority supposed to do? Have single white males adopt abandoned black mothers and their illegtimate children? Some kind of governmental matchup program? There’s only one way to reverse illegitimacy rates among any race and, therefore, the negatives social impacts. The very fathers themselves have to marrry the mothers and raise their children! There is no other solution.

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Qaash wrote:

You are aware that black MD’s exist, right?..kids do grow-up, it’s called rebellion, you remember that don’t you?

This is the last time I’m going to say this in this thread. I’m GENERALIZING. Keep pointing out the exceptions all you want. Doesn’t change the way things are.[/quote]

Even as a generalization, most kids in America do not look up to doctors, they want to be sports stars, musicians and actors, like the people they see on TV. I wanted to draw comic books as a kid…just to throw that out there.

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[quote]Qaash wrote:

Even as a generalization, most kids in America do not look up to doctors, they want to be sports stars, musicians and actors, like the people they see on TV. I wanted to draw comic books as a kid…just to throw that out there.[/quote]

That’s because we’re celebrity worshippers now.

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[quote]Qaash wrote:

Even as a generalization, most kids in America do not look up to doctors, they want to be sports stars, musicians and actors, like the people they see on TV. I wanted to draw comic books as a kid…just to throw that out there.[/quote]

And that’s great because you had a backup plan. Most black kids don’t.

Hell, I looked up to Jerry Rice growing up.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Race isn’t even close to being the biggest stumbling block for blacks. You will never close the achievment gap with a 70.7% illegitimacy rate (26.6 for non-hispanic whites). Ever.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr56/nvsr56_07.pdf[

Don’t you think you’re putting the cart before the horse?

It is more like a chicken and egg. Poverty and illegitimacy feed off each other.

Exactly.

And what has to be adressed is that individuals are inherently unwilling and unable to look in the mirror and say to themselves “You know,I am responsible for the current situation.If my attitudes don’t alter,the situation isn’t going to change”

That just makes people waaaaaay too uncomfortable.

Much easier to chalk it up to somebody else.

and this applies to both sides of any argument.

But unfortunately,when one is in the majority group and all comfy with the status quo,that makes it all the more difficult to find the motivation to change one’s point of view.

But the kicker is that,being in the majority,one will have the biggest effect on the situation,and hence,in my opinion,the onus rests heavier on the majority to effect any positive change.

Will that happen?Personally I don’t think so.

We live in the era of…

“I’m ok Jack,pull up the ladder.”

What kind of change are you talking about? You want me to marry and raise the absent father’s child?! No!

I’m talking about how people view each other,their historical backgrounds ,the cause and effect of the past,and of looking beyond their own pet view of theories of how things are,and that there may,just may,be another explanation or reasons why things are the way they are.

To try to not be bound by one’s mental constructs to the point that they exclude any other viable view point.

To entertain the notion that one can say “I don’t know” or I’m not sure"
or “You may be right” and that this will not lead to the fall of civilization as we know it.

Again, what exactly is the majority supposed to do? Have single white males adopt abandoned black mothers and their illegtimate children? Some kind of governmental matchup program? There’s only one way to reverse illegitimacy rates among any race and, therefore, the negatives social impacts. The very fathers themselves have to marrry the mothers and raise their children! There is no other solution. [/quote]

Why do they have to marry, why can’t they just raise their children?

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Race isn’t even close to being the biggest stumbling block for blacks. You will never close the achievment gap with a 70.7% illegitimacy rate (26.6 for non-hispanic whites). Ever.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr56/nvsr56_07.pdf[

Don’t you think you’re putting the cart before the horse?

It is more like a chicken and egg. Poverty and illegitimacy feed off each other.

Exactly.

And what has to be adressed is that individuals are inherently unwilling and unable to look in the mirror and say to themselves “You know,I am responsible for the current situation.If my attitudes don’t alter,the situation isn’t going to change”

That just makes people waaaaaay too uncomfortable.

Much easier to chalk it up to somebody else.

and this applies to both sides of any argument.

But unfortunately,when one is in the majority group and all comfy with the status quo,that makes it all the more difficult to find the motivation to change one’s point of view.

But the kicker is that,being in the majority,one will have the biggest effect on the situation,and hence,in my opinion,the onus rests heavier on the majority to effect any positive change.

Will that happen?Personally I don’t think so.

We live in the era of…

“I’m ok Jack,pull up the ladder.”

What kind of change are you talking about? You want me to marry and raise the absent father’s child?! No!

I’m talking about how people view each other,their historical backgrounds ,the cause and effect of the past,and of looking beyond their own pet view of theories of how things are,and that there may,just may,be another explanation or reasons why things are the way they are.

To try to not be bound by one’s mental constructs to the point that they exclude any other viable view point.

To entertain the notion that one can say “I don’t know” or I’m not sure"
or “You may be right” and that this will not lead to the fall of civilization as we know it.

Again, what exactly is the majority supposed to do? Have single white males adopt abandoned black mothers and their illegtimate children? Some kind of governmental matchup program? There’s only one way to reverse illegitimacy rates among any race and, therefore, the negatives social impacts. The very fathers themselves have to marrry the mothers and raise their children! There is no other solution. [/quote]

I must not be making myself clear.

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[quote]Qaash wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Race isn’t even close to being the biggest stumbling block for blacks. You will never close the achievment gap with a 70.7% illegitimacy rate (26.6 for non-hispanic whites). Ever.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr56/nvsr56_07.pdf[

Don’t you think you’re putting the cart before the horse?

It is more like a chicken and egg. Poverty and illegitimacy feed off each other.

Exactly.

And what has to be adressed is that individuals are inherently unwilling and unable to look in the mirror and say to themselves “You know,I am responsible for the current situation.If my attitudes don’t alter,the situation isn’t going to change”

That just makes people waaaaaay too uncomfortable.

Much easier to chalk it up to somebody else.

and this applies to both sides of any argument.

But unfortunately,when one is in the majority group and all comfy with the status quo,that makes it all the more difficult to find the motivation to change one’s point of view.

But the kicker is that,being in the majority,one will have the biggest effect on the situation,and hence,in my opinion,the onus rests heavier on the majority to effect any positive change.

Will that happen?Personally I don’t think so.

We live in the era of…

“I’m ok Jack,pull up the ladder.”

What kind of change are you talking about? You want me to marry and raise the absent father’s child?! No!

I’m talking about how people view each other,their historical backgrounds ,the cause and effect of the past,and of looking beyond their own pet view of theories of how things are,and that there may,just may,be another explanation or reasons why things are the way they are.

To try to not be bound by one’s mental constructs to the point that they exclude any other viable view point.

To entertain the notion that one can say “I don’t know” or I’m not sure"
or “You may be right” and that this will not lead to the fall of civilization as we know it.

Again, what exactly is the majority supposed to do? Have single white males adopt abandoned black mothers and their illegtimate children? Some kind of governmental matchup program? There’s only one way to reverse illegitimacy rates among any race and, therefore, the negatives social impacts. The very fathers themselves have to marrry the mothers and raise their children! There is no other solution.

Why do they have to marry, why can’t they just raise their children?[/quote]

In order to teach their children the importance of raising children in a married home. Besides, how do you ‘raise’ your child while not being married? Co-habitation with a monogamous sexual agreement in place?

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[quote]Qaash wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Race isn’t even close to being the biggest stumbling block for blacks. You will never close the achievment gap with a 70.7% illegitimacy rate (26.6 for non-hispanic whites). Ever.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr56/nvsr56_07.pdf[

Don’t you think you’re putting the cart before the horse?

It is more like a chicken and egg. Poverty and illegitimacy feed off each other.

Exactly.

And what has to be adressed is that individuals are inherently unwilling and unable to look in the mirror and say to themselves “You know,I am responsible for the current situation.If my attitudes don’t alter,the situation isn’t going to change”

That just makes people waaaaaay too uncomfortable.

Much easier to chalk it up to somebody else.

and this applies to both sides of any argument.

But unfortunately,when one is in the majority group and all comfy with the status quo,that makes it all the more difficult to find the motivation to change one’s point of view.

But the kicker is that,being in the majority,one will have the biggest effect on the situation,and hence,in my opinion,the onus rests heavier on the majority to effect any positive change.

Will that happen?Personally I don’t think so.

We live in the era of…

“I’m ok Jack,pull up the ladder.”

What kind of change are you talking about? You want me to marry and raise the absent father’s child?! No!

I’m talking about how people view each other,their historical backgrounds ,the cause and effect of the past,and of looking beyond their own pet view of theories of how things are,and that there may,just may,be another explanation or reasons why things are the way they are.

To try to not be bound by one’s mental constructs to the point that they exclude any other viable view point.

To entertain the notion that one can say “I don’t know” or I’m not sure"
or “You may be right” and that this will not lead to the fall of civilization as we know it.

Again, what exactly is the majority supposed to do? Have single white males adopt abandoned black mothers and their illegtimate children? Some kind of governmental matchup program? There’s only one way to reverse illegitimacy rates among any race and, therefore, the negatives social impacts. The very fathers themselves have to marrry the mothers and raise their children! There is no other solution.

Why do they have to marry, why can’t they just raise their children?[/quote]

That’s the point. Why can’t they? The overwhelming perception is, is that they are not.

Also, If your going to have children. It is probably best to marry instead of just randomly running thru life creating children. (as a general rule.) There is already WAY too many people on the planet the way it is.

Fornication without Procreation. It’s not that hard.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Blaming someone else because they blame every single shortcoming on the individual and not the circumstances that got them there is not a cop out.[/quote]

Then what would you call it?

Dude - that was 10 years ago. It’s hard to move forward when people keep looking back. Who cares about social standing in the first place? That is up to the individual. You make your standing, it is not handed to you.

Who do we blame for the trailer trash? Generations of poor, uneducated white folk that perpetuate their own squalor? They are sickening. One can end their “standing” with effort, and determination.

Now don’t go all “…but they are white, they have it easier.” Fuck that - you are responsible for you. I don’t know very many doctors, yet you became an oral surgeon. Did someone give it to you? I’d like to think you worked your ass off, listened to your parents and chose a path which required you to hold yourself to a higher standard to those around you.

Could have made? Bullshit. Either you do or you don’t.

Because the proof is in the pudding. Sure you can look back and rationalize why things are the way they are - but sooner or later it will be shit, or get off the pot time. And looking back is no way to move forward.

And what you do do about it once all of society (I am assuming you are pointing to white society)admits fault for the sins of their grand fathers, great-grand fathers, great-great-grand fathers, etc., etc., etc.?

And I don’t give a flying fuck about what you wear. I’m thinking about rocking a mullet/afro - kinda like Lionel Richie had back in the late 80’s. I’ll bring the fucker back. Why? Because I have determination and drive.

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Qaash wrote:

Even as a generalization, most kids in America do not look up to doctors, they want to be sports stars, musicians and actors, like the people they see on TV. I wanted to draw comic books as a kid…just to throw that out there.

And that’s great because you had a backup plan. Most black kids don’t.

Hell, I looked up to Jerry Rice growing up. [/quote]

Honestly, even if you’re generalizing, how do you know they don’t? Most don’t really know what they want until maybe their late teens and those that don’t, well shame on them. I just have a real hard time with these perceptions of yours

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Hmmm…I’m going to be less successful at 11am…

Shit, can he be more successful considering his background? I don’t see someone wanting to be like Puff daddy or Jay Z as being a negative, especially since both men are educated and have basically changed the face of music and even fashion.

What sad is that regardless of how succesful they are…some people still paint a negative picture of them…interesting,huh?

Puff daddy was one of the first to even popularize wearing a suit in a rap video but I am sure most of “white America” still sees him as a negative influence.[/quote]

Perhaps it’s the half-naked dancing broads he uses in his videos. Same for Jay-Z. Perhaps it’s their promotion of big spending on cars and clothing, which is not within the means of your average joe.

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[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Race isn’t even close to being the biggest stumbling block for blacks. You will never close the achievment gap with a 70.7% illegitimacy rate (26.6 for non-hispanic whites). Ever.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr56/nvsr56_07.pdf[

Don’t you think you’re putting the cart before the horse?

It is more like a chicken and egg. Poverty and illegitimacy feed off each other.

Exactly.

And what has to be adressed is that individuals are inherently unwilling and unable to look in the mirror and say to themselves “You know,I am responsible for the current situation.If my attitudes don’t alter,the situation isn’t going to change”

That just makes people waaaaaay too uncomfortable.

Much easier to chalk it up to somebody else.

and this applies to both sides of any argument.

But unfortunately,when one is in the majority group and all comfy with the status quo,that makes it all the more difficult to find the motivation to change one’s point of view.

But the kicker is that,being in the majority,one will have the biggest effect on the situation,and hence,in my opinion,the onus rests heavier on the majority to effect any positive change.

Will that happen?Personally I don’t think so.

We live in the era of…

“I’m ok Jack,pull up the ladder.”[/quote]

Perhaps we should try eliminating welfare across the board and seeing what effect it has on illegitimacy rates. Without the safety net, perhaps all women will be more careful who they sleep with.

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[quote]Qaash wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
Qaash wrote:

Even as a generalization, most kids in America do not look up to doctors, they want to be sports stars, musicians and actors, like the people they see on TV. I wanted to draw comic books as a kid…just to throw that out there.

And that’s great because you had a backup plan. Most black kids don’t.

Hell, I looked up to Jerry Rice growing up.

Honestly, even if you’re generalizing, how do you know they don’t? Most don’t really know what they want until maybe their late teens and those that don’t, well shame on them. I just have a real hard time with these perceptions of yours[/quote]

If they do have these backup plans, they’re not executing them very well. It’s easier then ever for a black highschool student to get into college, paying it ALL off later (easier than ever for a white student as well, btw). The truth is most black kids don’t go to college. Surely many less than white kids.

And exactly. Shame on THEM. Not whitey the opressor. I couldn’t agree more.

And rainjack, I wish I was as good at summarizing statements as succinctly as you did in your last statement. Good post.

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All this is , is complaining. This whole thread. Stop it right now !

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[quote]triple-10sets wrote:
All this is , is complaining. This whole thread. Stop it right now ! [/quote]

You just complained about our complaining. Welcome to the vicious cycle of complaint.

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:

I’m talking about how people view each other,their historical backgrounds ,the cause and effect of the past,and of looking beyond their own pet view of theories of how things are,and that there may,just may,be another explanation or reasons why things are the way they are.

To try to not be bound by one’s mental constructs to the point that they exclude any other viable view point.

To entertain the notion that one can say “I don’t know” or I’m not sure"
or “You may be right” and that this will not lead to the fall of civilization as we know it.

The only problem with this is that you want all the whites to change the way we think, but refuse to change the way you think. I agree racism still exists, and it’s a problem. Do you agree that blacks (in general) do not help their own cause when it comes to being viewed without these negative connotations?[/quote]

What makes you think I’m black?

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[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:

I’m talking about how people view each other,their historical backgrounds ,the cause and effect of the past,and of looking beyond their own pet view of theories of how things are,and that there may,just may,be another explanation or reasons why things are the way they are.

To try to not be bound by one’s mental constructs to the point that they exclude any other viable view point.

To entertain the notion that one can say “I don’t know” or I’m not sure"
or “You may be right” and that this will not lead to the fall of civilization as we know it.

The only problem with this is that you want all the whites to change the way we think, but refuse to change the way you think. I agree racism still exists, and it’s a problem. Do you agree that blacks (in general) do not help their own cause when it comes to being viewed without these negative connotations?

What makes you think I’m black?[/quote]

Your picture is black and getting eaten by what appears to be a lion. :slight_smile:

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I’m the white background on which everyone projects…

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Hmmm…I’m going to be less successful at 11am…

Shit, can he be more successful considering his background? I don’t see someone wanting to be like Puff daddy or Jay Z as being a negative, especially since both men are educated and have basically changed the face of music and even fashion.

What sad is that regardless of how succesful they are…some people still paint a negative picture of them…interesting,huh?

Puff daddy was one of the first to even popularize wearing a suit in a rap video but I am sure most of “white America” still sees him as a negative influence.[/quote]

I do see him as a negative influence-

He butchers 80s songs and raps his lame ass lyrics over their hook lines.

His financial success ensures that more of that extremely annoying shit is being published.

In a perfect world Timbaland would mix all Puffy tracks and Mr Combs would drive his car.