What Price for White Skin?

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Professor X wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
Professor X wrote:

The difference is, some of what you’ve written isn’t even correct. It would take one ignorant fucker to go to a job interview dressed like he just left his girl’s house and dressed in the car. That didn’t stop you from generalizing that “most blacks” do just that.

It is, however, very correct about how many white people exercise “caution” and who they direct it towards. In fact, most who actually debated that aspect proved this in the other thread.

I have no doubt that whites use extra caution when passing a black guy dressed in gangsta wear on the street. I think you have the crimes rates among blacks to blame for that. Just a generalization, regardless if you are a criminal or not. The statistics show this.

And you’re right, it does take an ignorant mother fucker to go to a job interview like that. So why do people do it?

If you don’t think they do, then hear me out. A black guy with only a highschool diploma can get any job interview a white guy with the same qualifications could get. So why does the white have a better job? He presents himself better. So while the black guy may have not gone to the interview in a shirt 6 times too big, there was something about his appearance/image/the way he conducted himself that made the employer hire the white dude instead. If you want to cry racism every time something like this happens, well then you’re digging your own grave and will not overcome these obstacles.

This may surprise you (because you seem blind to a lot of things) but there are white people (quite a few) who are more cautious of black men regardless of what they wear.

Ask a black man from New York how much trouble he has finding a cab and if it is because he is “dressed like a thug”.

The fact that you are still sticking to some fantasy where most black people dress ridiculously for job interviews and THAT is why we have been held back is too ridiculous for words.[/quote]

Sorry, didn’t see this post. But here’s your response, as requested.

  1. I delivered pizzas for 2 years, and black guys don’t tip as well as white guys. Maybe that’s why the cabbies avoid them.

  2. Maybe they don’t dress ridiculously. I’m saying that things like clothing style and ebonics are so embedded in the culture it’s not something they can turn off at the drop of a hat so it still comes across during interviews. Maybe they don’t even know their shirt is a little too baggy. Maybe they don’t realized they’re using words like “nah”. That’s what I’m getting at.

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Hmmm…I’m going to be less successful at 11am…

Shit, can he be more successful considering his background? I don’t see someone wanting to be like Puff daddy or Jay Z as being a negative, especially since both men are educated and have basically changed the face of music and even fashion.

What sad is that regardless of how succesful they are…some people still paint a negative picture of them…interesting,huh?[/quote]

Puff daddy was one of the first to even popularize wearing a suit in a rap video but I am sure most of “white America” still sees him as a negative influence.

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[quote]Qaash wrote:
I am a sheltered Northerner. Being from NYC has not prepared me for what I’m reading here…thank you for the eye opener[/quote]

Stick around. You haven’t even heard from some of the loudest contributors.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Qaash wrote:
Sloth wrote:
In 1940, 86 percent of black children were born inside marriage, and the illegitimacy rate among blacks was about 15 percent. Today, 31 percent of black children are born inside marriage, and the illegitimacy rate hovers around 70 percent.
http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=4840

That word always bothered me “illegitimacy”. Just cause a father doesn’t live with the mother does not make a child illegitimate. I know many fathers who are raising there kids while not in a relationship with the mother.

So do I and I am glad you brought that up.

Marriage as a whole seems to be losing favor in the younger generation. I personally don’t really care to be married myself. that doesn’t mean any kid I have will be void of having a father.[/quote]

Than the negatives associated with broken homes will continue to plaque communities with high illegtimicay rates. By the way, I come from a broken home. About as broken as you can get. Which is exactly why I recognize illegtimacy for the devastating societal impact it has.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Hmmm…I’m going to be less successful at 11am…

Shit, can he be more successful considering his background? I don’t see someone wanting to be like Puff daddy or Jay Z as being a negative, especially since both men are educated and have basically changed the face of music and even fashion.

What sad is that regardless of how succesful they are…some people still paint a negative picture of them…interesting,huh?

Puff daddy was one of the first to even popularize wearing a suit in a rap video but I am sure most of “white America” still sees him as a negative influence.[/quote]

To some…he’s seen more as a “threat.”

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

I think some people truly just make shit up and stick to it.[/quote]

See my previous post for the response to this. Obviously I’m not saying they dress in their plain white tees for a professional interview, but they don’t even realize what they’re doing is wrong.

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
I wonder what his answer would have been in that survey.[/quote]

lol

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
If “we” black people held no responsibility for ourselves…I seriously doubt we would be where we are today…regardless of what can be improved on…or to the degree of equality.

This perception of black people asking for handouts is exaggerated…and not by black people.

…[/quote]

I don’t know. Barack Obama keeps asking for change.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Race isn’t even close to being the biggest stumbling block for blacks. You will never close the achievment gap with a 70.7% illegitimacy rate (26.6 for non-hispanic whites). Ever.

Don’t you think you’re putting the cart before the horse?

No.

Long live conviction.

And its close ally ,the closed mind.

What are you talking about? Broken homes have a huge impact on negative social stats.

Yes they do.As race and economics have a huge impact on why the rate of broken homes is so much higher in certain populations.

what I was referring to is how you cannot cherry pick a particular issue without adressing the reasons and causation of that particular state of affairs.

Ahem. You do realize the illegitimacy rate has become FAR, FAR, FAR worse, and not better, right?

Yep.And you do know that social situations and injustices have an inertia that can be measured in many generations and not in a few years?

You do realize that the rates exploded during the 1960’s and climb to this day, right?

Edit: Meaning this crap hasn’t been going backwards sends the end of segregation, the start of Aff. Action, social party programs, etc. It has skyrocketed! Not reversed![/quote]

I wouldn’t expect it to reverse for many decades to come,if at all.Unless there is a wholesale change in attitudes and behaviour by the majority andd to a lesser degree the minority.

Which reinforces my view that the end of segregation has very little to do in real terms with the end of racism,and that aff act is also just a veneer.

we reap what we sow.

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Sorry, didn’t see this post. But here’s your response, as requested.

  1. I delivered pizzas for 2 years, and black guys don’t tip as well as white guys. Maybe that’s why the cabbies avoid them.

  2. Maybe they don’t dress ridiculously. I’m saying that things like clothing style and ebonics are so embedded in the culture it’s not something they can turn off at the drop of a hat so it still comes across during interviews. Maybe they don’t even know their shirt is a little too baggy. Maybe they don’t realized they’re using words like “nah”. That’s what I’m getting at.[/quote]

I am being honest with you when I say that your perspective is truly fucked up. I don’t even disrespect you as a person…but what you keep typing is really making me wonder what kind of neighborhood you grew up in. A black man could be wearing a designer suit made from the hair of virgin Pakistani slave girls and he will STILL have a hard time getting a cab.

If you actually blame this on any other reason than that they are black, there is a problem.

Just because you can try to rationalize everything away doesn’t mean it makes any sense.

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[quote]
Professor X wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
If “we” black people held no responsibility for ourselves…I seriously doubt we would be where we are today…regardless of what can be improved on…or to the degree of equality.

This perception of black people asking for handouts is exaggerated…and not by black people.

…
Zap Branigan wrote:
I don’t know. Barack Obama keeps asking for change.[/quote]

[rimshot] He’s here all week folks… =-)

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
I think any person that can obtain a job is capable realizing these bare minimums of human convention.

Apparently not. We are being specifically told that blacks in majority are not this intelligent and that most of them dress like they are going to a strip club when they go to a job interview. [/quote]

Common sense tells me this cannot be true. Then again, I’ve never had to interview anyone for a job so I don’t really know. I can hardly imagine anyone else does either.

Shit, I don’t know any black person that dresses like a “thug”. Though last Friday, no lie, I saw what appeared to be a black, adult, male with braids wearing droopy pants and a “Sponge-Bob Square-Pants” jacket at a bus stop – maybe he just got done at a job interview. I should have stopped to asked him.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
If “we” black people held no responsibility for ourselves…I seriously doubt we would be where we are today…regardless of what can be improved on…or to the degree of equality.

This perception of black people asking for handouts is exaggerated…and not by black people.

…

I don’t know. Barack Obama keeps asking for change.[/quote]

haha :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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I love how you guys point out all the exceptions and refuse to look at the majorities. Puffy and Jay Z have had great success doing what they do. So you want every black kid in America to look up to them, as if they have a good shot to be as successful as them? Why not look up to someone with more reasonable goals?

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[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Race isn’t even close to being the biggest stumbling block for blacks. You will never close the achievment gap with a 70.7% illegitimacy rate (26.6 for non-hispanic whites). Ever.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr56/nvsr56_07.pdf[

Don’t you think you’re putting the cart before the horse?[/quote]

It is more like a chicken and egg. Poverty and illegitimacy feed off each other.

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[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Race isn’t even close to being the biggest stumbling block for blacks. You will never close the achievment gap with a 70.7% illegitimacy rate (26.6 for non-hispanic whites). Ever.

Don’t you think you’re putting the cart before the horse?

No.

Long live conviction.

And its close ally ,the closed mind.

What are you talking about? Broken homes have a huge impact on negative social stats.

Yes they do.As race and economics have a huge impact on why the rate of broken homes is so much higher in certain populations.

what I was referring to is how you cannot cherry pick a particular issue without adressing the reasons and causation of that particular state of affairs.

Ahem. You do realize the illegitimacy rate has become FAR, FAR, FAR worse, and not better, right?

Yep.And you do know that social situations and injustices have an inertia that can be measured in many generations and not in a few years?

You do realize that the rates exploded during the 1960’s and climb to this day, right?

Edit: Meaning this crap hasn’t been going backwards sends the end of segregation, the start of Aff. Action, social party programs, etc. It has skyrocketed! Not reversed!

I wouldn’t expect it to reverse for many decades to come,if at all.Unless there is a wholesale change in attitudes and behaviour by the majority andd to a lesser degree the minority.

Which reinforces my view that the end of segregation has very little to do in real terms with the end of racism,and that aff act is also just a veneer.

we reap what we sow.
[/quote]

That doesn’t make a bit of sense.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Qaash wrote:
Sloth wrote:
In 1940, 86 percent of black children were born inside marriage, and the illegitimacy rate among blacks was about 15 percent. Today, 31 percent of black children are born inside marriage, and the illegitimacy rate hovers around 70 percent.
http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=4840

That word always bothered me “illegitimacy”. Just cause a father doesn’t live with the mother does not make a child illegitimate. I know many fathers who are raising there kids while not in a relationship with the mother.

So do I and I am glad you brought that up.

Marriage as a whole seems to be losing favor in the younger generation. I personally don’t really care to be married myself. that doesn’t mean any kid I have will be void of having a father.

Than the negatives associated with broken homes will continue to plaque communities with high illegtimicay rates. By the way, I come from a broken home. About as broken as you can get. Which is exactly why I recognize illegtimacy for the devastating societal impact it has.[/quote]

How devastating is it if both parents are available and provide for the child? Are your stats taking that into consideration? Not being married doesn’t decrease a child’s success rate in and of itself, at least not to the degree you seem to be making it out to be.

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[quote]Neuromancer wrote:

I wouldn’t expect it to reverse for many decades to come,if at all.Unless there is a wholesale change in attitudes and behaviour by the majority andd to a lesser degree the minority.

Which reinforces my view that the end of segregation has very little to do in real terms with the end of racism,and that aff act is also just a veneer.

we reap what we sow.
[/quote]

I agree that racism isn’t dead, but as I’ve stated previously I think we’re making things worse, not better, by breaking off into sub-cultures and emphasizing differences. It just plays into our genetic predispositions… http://www-personal.umich.edu/~axe/research/AxHamm_Ethno.pdf

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
I love how you guys point out all the exceptions and refuse to look at the majorities. Puffy and Jay Z have had great success doing what they do. So you want every black kid in America to look up to them, as if they have a good shot to be as successful as them? Why not look up to someone with more reasonable goals?[/quote]

Flawed logic. The point is, any level of success is a minority pursuit because most people won’t be THAT successful no matter the circumstances. That means whether they look up to Jay Z or Dr. Debakey, the chances of them reaching that level are STILL slim.

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
I love how you guys point out all the exceptions and refuse to look at the majorities. Puffy and Jay Z have had great success doing what they do. So you want every black kid in America to look up to them, as if they have a good shot to be as successful as them? Why not look up to someone with more reasonable goals?[/quote]

It was more to expunge the point of perception. Besides,what are more “reasonable goals?” Why do you feel they don’t have them already?? Also,they had role models,too…Russell Simmons,Andre Harrell…and the list goes on.