[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
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That was a good movie back in the day. The message of that movie was also NOT “affirmative action is bad”.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
I believe I was pretty clear when I said I was generalizing. As in, most blacks do this. You’re the exception, not the standard.
It is a mistake to say that most blacks hate working and are lazy and this is the problem in America. It a worse mistake to assume a different culture is “wrong” and needs to change because you personally don’t agree with it.
I personally don’t follow trends. I dress in ways I feel comfortable…which may include a Rockets jersey, blue jeans and Air Jordans. For some reason, if I’m black, this is now seen as “thug wear”…yet none of you see the correlation to race?
Just because a rapper wears the same outfit does not mean I embrace being a criminal. [/quote]
I want you to quote me when I said most blacks hate work and are lazy. I never even came close to saying that. And if, when you are off work, people want to dress a certain way that is fine.
However, how do you expect to get a respectable, good paying job speaking ebonics? Or by showing up in some dress slacks that are too baggy to keep your image intact. That’s the cultural thing that must change in order for blacks to start being more successful. And please, don’t give me an example of how YOU don’t use ebonics, it seems pretty clear by your posts. But once again, YOU are the exception.
Edit: One more thing, wearing rapper style clothes does not mean you embrace being a criminal, but to be successful in any business, you have to project the right image. Unfortunately for blacks (and an increasing # of whites) thug gear is not the right image to be projecting.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Professor X wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
I believe I was pretty clear when I said I was generalizing. As in, most blacks do this. You’re the exception, not the standard.
It is a mistake to say that most blacks hate working and are lazy and this is the problem in America. It a worse mistake to assume a different culture is “wrong” and needs to change because you personally don’t agree with it.
I personally don’t follow trends. I dress in ways I feel comfortable…which may include a Rockets jersey, blue jeans and Air Jordans. For some reason, if I’m black, this is now seen as “thug wear”…yet none of you see the correlation to race?
Just because a rapper wears the same outfit does not mean I embrace being a criminal.
I want you to quote me when I said most blacks hate work and are lazy. I never even came close to saying that. And if, when you are off work, people want to dress a certain way that is fine.
However, how do you expect to get a respectable, good paying job speaking ebonics? Or by showing up in some dress slacks that are too baggy to keep your image intact. That’s the cultural thing that must change in order for blacks to start being more successful. And please, don’t give me an example of how YOU don’t use ebonics, it seems pretty clear by your posts. But once again, YOU are the exception.
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What blacks going for professional jobs come to their job interview speaking slang?
Hell, in fact I doubt any looking for a job much higher than “cashier at Target” would even think of dressing this way for a job interview. Where are you even getting these stereotypes?
WHO is dressing like this for job interviews?
Where are they?
Which white society are we talking about here, or are you ignoring me too?
I’ve seen just as much family wealth squandered as it’s handed down to the next generation. Squandering wealth appears to be the rule, rather than the exception, from what I’ve seen. Kids that grow up wealthy and priviledged tend to be lazy and have a sense of entitlement, if anything. Thanks inheritance taxes and taxes in general, there’s often very little wealth passed down from one generation to the next. Even if it is passed down, a parent must divide it amongst 2 or more children, which is why being born first was so important in ancient near eastern cultures. After the government wets its beak, there’s usually very little inheritance left over.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
People get paid for how much they produce. Wow, how unfair!!
Maybe when Hillary steals the nomination from Barack and black people see how the Dems have used them as pawns for the last 50 years, they might actually wake up to the fact that they were being tricked. They allowed themselves to become a dependent class, then ‘Boo Hoo! We’re not rich and successful!!’ How fucking pathetic!
When they adopt middle class values (dress like a civilised being and not ‘gangsta’, value education, not name their children ‘Sequoia’ or some other dumb shit like that) maybe they’ll get somewhere.
Racism is stupid but it doesn’t go away by whining and bitching, by listening to scum like Pastor Wright and his buddies Farrakhan and Obama, or with another governmental program.
Racism goes away when confronted with INTELLIGENCE!!!
Black people bring poverty mostly on themselves.
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Is this the INTELLIGENCE that will make racism fade away?
Priceless.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Edit: One more thing, wearing rapper style clothes does not mean you embrace being a criminal, but to be successful in any business, you have to project the right image. Unfortunately for blacks (and an increasing # of whites) thug gear is not the right image to be projecting.[/quote]
Who the hell is talking about what one should wear to work? I’m wearing scrubs right now. This afternoon, I will be in a tank top. Why are you talking about “work wear”?
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
While I know that most whites living today may have had little DIRECT influence of the degradation of blacks in this country, they are still a part of the same society that did. That same society is what allowed their own ancestors less in the way of hardships than their much darker counterparts (even if some of you claim your family came from wherever and didn’t personally own a slave). As such, the ramifications extend across generations until we reach this moment in time.]While I know that most whites living today may have had little DIRECT influence of the degradation of blacks in this country, they are still a part of the same society that did. That same society is what allowed their own ancestors less in the way of hardships than their much darker counterparts (even if some of you claim your family came from wherever and didn’t personally own a slave). As such, the ramifications extend across generations until we reach this moment in time.
Which white society are we talking about here, or are you ignoring me too?
I’ve seen just as much family wealth squandered as it’s handed down to the next generation. Squandering wealth appears to be the rule, rather than the exception, from what I’ve seen. Kids that grow up wealthy and priviledged tend to be lazy and have a sense of entitlement, if anything. Thanks inheritance taxes and taxes in general, there’s often very little wealth passed down from one generation to the next. Even if it is passed down, a parent must divide it amongst 2 or more children, which is why being born first was so important in ancient near eastern cultures. After the government wets its beak, there’s usually very little inheritance left over. [/quote]
I am talking more about SOCIAL STANDING, not someone’s specific or personal issues with their grandfather who left them a few thousand.
I will say that I know of few blacks who have inherited enough wealth to actually raise their standard of living. I am sure (even though I have no stats) that there are more whites who fit that bill.
Yeah clothing and proper english are based on white standards so the fuck what. If you go to a tribe in South Africa don’t expect to fit in unless you get a bone thru your nose and speak in tongue clicks. Every standard in the world is set by some group.
[quote]dk44 wrote:
Yeah clothing and proper english are based on white standards so the fuck what. If you go to a tribe in South Africa don’t expect to fit in unless you get a bone thru your nose and speak in tongue clicks. Every standard in the world is set by some group. [/quote]
It has taken several threads for people to even admit that this is what is referred to by “white privilege”.
No professional is going to expect for people to be able to wear whatever the fuck they want to at a job interview. That isn’t even what we are discussing.
Why, however, is there “caution”/fear attached to how someone is dressed CASUALLY when the cultural differences are well known and blatant?
The answer to that is also in what you just wrote.
[quote]I am talking more about SOCIAL STANDING, not someone’s specific or personal issues with their grandfather who left them a few thousand.
I will say that I know of few blacks who have inherited enough wealth to actually raise their standard of living. I am sure (even though I have no stats) that theer are more whites who fit that bill.[/quote]
Alright. We need to get rid of the double standard here. If whites are expected to maintain that there is no monolithic black culture with regards its negatives, then why is white culture treated as monolithic with respect to its negatives by you?
In other words, when you balk when whites assert that dressing a certain way associates you with thuggery, why are we not allowed to balk when you assert that whites have more than blacks because of oppression?
You can’t claim that one side has it all right (yours) and the other side has it all wrong (ours) and expect whites to respond any differently.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
WHO is dressing like this for job interviews?
Where are they?[/quote]
Philadelphia, from my experience. I doubt it’s much different anywhere else.
The thing with the “anti-culture” aka the hip hop culture it is considered cool to not be fake and “keep it real.”
On a job interview, there is no keeping it real. If you know what’s best for you, you’ll say what needs to be said to impress the employer.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
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That was a good movie back in the day. The message of that movie was also NOT “affirmative action is bad”.[/quote]
…the message of that movie is that cheating the system is ok as long as it results in predictably humorous situations.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
Edit: One more thing, wearing rapper style clothes does not mean you embrace being a criminal, but to be successful in any business, you have to project the right image. Unfortunately for blacks (and an increasing # of whites) thug gear is not the right image to be projecting.
Who the hell is talking about what one should wear to work? I’m wearing scrubs right now. This afternoon, I will be in a tank top. Why are you talking about “work wear”?[/quote]
You always use yourself as an example. Are you the only black person you know? The one that stands out in the crowd? It’s about projecting the right image to be successful. I’m simply stating that thug wear is not the right image. It’s not that hard to understand.
[quote]dk44 wrote:
Yeah clothing and proper english are based on white standards so the fuck what. If you go to a tribe in South Africa don’t expect to fit in unless you get a bone thru your nose and speak in tongue clicks. Every standard in the world is set by some group. [/quote]
Proper English is something that I’ve very rarely encountered in most people ,regardless of ethnicity.Just because an individual considers that he personally speaks proper English doesn’t make it true.
And as I live in South Africa,I can dispel your notion of ‘bone through the nose’ and ‘tongue clicks’.
And let’s not get into the clothing issue any more…
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Alright. We need to get rid of the double standard here. If whites are expected to maintain that there is no monolithic black culture with regards its negatives, then why is white culture treated as monolithic with respect to its negatives by you?[/quote]
Simply put, because it is done to us. I refer to blacks as “we” because that is how I am viewed in society. In many of these threads lately, I have been TOLD what I believe and TOLD what organizations I am a part of (even though I’m not) based on nothing but my skin color. Why does anyone think it will stop on one side and not the other?
How can you possibly argue against the position that IN GENERAL because of past actions, the average white person is in better social standing the average black person?
Honestly, how the fuck could you even debate that?
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You can’t claim that one side has it all right (yours) and the other side has it all wrong (ours) and expect whites to respond any differently.[/quote]
There is also the side of “what the fuck truly happened”, and that side indicates that whites are ahead because they kept many other cultures repressed.
Maybe, if rappers performed naked, my clothes wouldn’t automatically make me a suspect. No matter how often I hear whats being said here, I’m actually still surprised.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Professor X wrote:
WHO is dressing like this for job interviews?
Where are they?
Philadelphia, from my experience. I doubt it’s much different anywhere else.
The thing with the “anti-culture” aka the hip hop culture it is considered cool to not be fake and “keep it real.”
On a job interview, there is no keeping it real. If you know what’s best for you, you’ll say what needs to be said to impress the employer. [/quote]
According to you, the majority of blacks in Philly all speak in slang at job interviews and wear hip hop clothing while speaking to their prospective employers?
Please, back this up with something.
[quote]Qaash wrote:
Maybe, if rappers performed naked, my clothes wouldn’t automatically make me a suspect. No matter how often I hear whats being said here, I’m actually still surprised.[/quote]
I am positive they would find another reason.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Professor X wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
Edit: One more thing, wearing rapper style clothes does not mean you embrace being a criminal, but to be successful in any business, you have to project the right image. Unfortunately for blacks (and an increasing # of whites) thug gear is not the right image to be projecting.
Who the hell is talking about what one should wear to work? I’m wearing scrubs right now. This afternoon, I will be in a tank top. Why are you talking about “work wear”?
You always use yourself as an example. Are you the only black person you know? The one that stands out in the crowd? It’s about projecting the right image to be successful. I’m simply stating that thug wear is not the right image. It’s not that hard to understand.[/quote]
I use myself as an example because I am used to breaking stereotypes, including those from my own culture. I shouldn’t have to even write out that most blacks don’t assume that I am a professional at first glance.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Tell me how people can be a part of a society yet at the same time feel they bare no responsibility for the actions of that society based on their own social standing?
While I know that most whites living today may have had little DIRECT influence on the degradation of blacks in this country, they are still a part of the same society that did. That same society is what allowed their own ancestors less in the way of hardships than their much darker counterparts (even if some of you claim your family came from wherever and didn’t personally own a slave)…which translates into greater economic and social wealth. As such, the ramifications extend across generations until we reach this moment in time.
I see no possible way to reach a solution as long as most of the country acts like they hold no responsibility at all.
It simply can’t work that way.
Mind you, I think simple acknowledgment would go a long way but we can’t even get that on a grand scale.[/quote]
Bullshit. You want white America to take the blame for what happened in the past. I have nothing to fucking apologize for.
When will the black man get past the damn Great Society bullshit, and take some responsibility for his own situation?
How in the flying fuck is it a white problem that the black man can’t be a damn father? You know you are in the minority of your own race having an educated father, right?
There will always be a race problem until blacks get past thinking they are owed a fucking welfare check, and a pat on the back for yet another illegitimate, fatherless child.
The blacks have been brainwashed since 1964 that they are worthless and helpless, and that they can only get by with special rules.
You guys should have listened to X instead of MLK.
But just like slavery, you can’t undo the past. There will always be excuses, and attempts at rationalizing one’s condition.
Just like in the gym, you either make the effort, or you don’t. Blaming someone else because you are small, or poor, or disadvantaged is a cop out.