What Price for White Skin?

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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Prof. X,
I’m wondering what response you would like to see to this?

Are you looking for everyone that’s white to admit we were the problem and pay families that there great, great, great grandfather was a slave?

Are you looking for us to simply say we are sorry?

I’m just curious as to what you would like to hear.

Also, at what point to do simply play the hand you were delt? I mean in another 200 years are people still going to go back and say slavery is at the heart of the issue?

Can I go back to the Pope and ask for the money back that my great, great, great, great grandfather paid for an indulgence to save his wife’s soul back in Italy?

What about the social disadvantages of my great grandfather faced because he had just come over from Germany and he was fired from his job because he was a “dirty Nazi”? That forced my family to grow up poor until my father scrapped enough money to go to college.

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[quote]Qaash wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Qaash wrote:
Headhunter wrote:

Yep. To make racism go away, black people have to show they are better than whites: more educated, more polite, more well-spoken. Only when the white community HAS A REASON TO NOT BE RACIST will racism stop.

You are the first white man to openly say what I’ve known my entire adult life…so, we have to be better than you in every way so you won’t be afraid and be more relaxed around us in your community’s? I know from growing up in the suburbs that that isn’t the case. We move to the suburbs and the whites started moving out or panicked that their property values were going to suffer because the blacks had moved in. Sometimes, no matter what we do, there are white people who are always going to be nervous around us, so, I don’t worry about them. I stated earlier that being from NYC has given me a false perspective on the state of things…my generation deals with less and less of your line of thinking. If I encounter this, it’s usually and older white person or someone who is not from NY…the internet is a wonderful thing.

You have to prove yourself to me, for me to accept you as an equal. To do that, you have to show up for work ON TIME, you have to be polite when you don’t want to, you have to show me high competence in what you do (which for me is teaching). I expect the best — piddling around and making excuses doesn’t cut it.

Then, to eliminate racism, you have to OVERWHELMINGLY show that racism is simply stupid. You have to overcome the media portrayal of black people as murderous thugs who have no interest in education. You have to actually marry and stay married to the mother of your children. You have to drop the crack pipe and pick up a book instead. You have to literally laugh Pastor Wright into the dustbin of history.

In other words, YOU have to change. You have to give me so many reasons to accept you as my equal that I have no alternative BUT to accept you in that way.

I’ll be waiting…

That isn’t what you said, according to you, I have to be twice as good, not equal…you come in at 9, I have to be there at 8…you have 30 kids in a class and have to fail 10 but if I have the same 30, none can fail for me to be your peer. So, in your eyes, I’m guilty and have have to prove my innocence…just so you know, Pastor Wright exist because of you. [/quote]

Convincing someone to change their views requires an excess. You don’t get accepted just by meeting the minimum.

How many applicants for a job meet the minimum requirements? Usually a lot. To get the job, you have to convince me, overwhelm me. Its that simple.

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[quote]CrewPierce wrote:
Prof. X,
I’m wondering what response you would like to see to this?

Are you looking for everyone that’s white to admit we were the problem and pay families that there great, great, great grandfather was a slave?

Are you looking for us to simply say we are sorry?

I’m just curious as to what you would like to hear.

Also, at what point to do simply play the hand you were delt? I mean in another 200 years are people still going to go back and say slavery is at the heart of the issue?

Can I go back to the Pope and ask for the money back that my great, great, great, great grandfather paid for an indulgence to save his wife’s soul back in Italy?

What about the social disadvantages of my great grandfather faced because he had just come over from Germany and he was fired from his job because he was a “dirty Nazi”? That forced my family to grow up poor until my father scrapped enough money to go to college.

[/quote]

God damnit, The solution here is so simple, myself and others like me are wary around thuggish looking people regaurdless of skin color. We don’t care what someones skin color is, AT ALL. When people as a whole share this mindset then yeah, the world will be a hell of a lot better place. People are idividuals.

^^^^If you disagree, then you can go fuck yourself, this thread has lived for way to long.

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Racism will never stop, some people will always be more suspicious of people of different ethnic groups, it doesn’t matter the color.

All that counts is that people are being given equal opportunity.

I have seen a lot of “white privilege” posts in the past few days. That is the wrong term. White people may have an easier go of it than black people in some aspects of life but that is not a privilege. When a cop treats me differently than a similar innocent black guy that is the cop being WRONG, not me being privileged.

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[quote]jdrannin1 wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
I’ll be waiting…

Maybe YOU should put down the crack pipe. You are stereotyping at entire race with your ignorant viewpoint. I could label you as white trash. But that doesnt make every white person trash. Only YOU!

Get off your soap box. I weep for the children you teach. They should revoke your teaching licence. [/quote]

Objective justice is painful, isn’t it?

Most of the middle class thinks like me. We are America. Want to join the middle class? You have to work for it.
Boo-hoo!!

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If any of my teachers were like HH, I’d have been so screwed.

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[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
CrewPierce wrote:
Prof. X,
I’m wondering what response you would like to see to this?

Are you looking for everyone that’s white to admit we were the problem and pay families that there great, great, great grandfather was a slave?

Are you looking for us to simply say we are sorry?

I’m just curious as to what you would like to hear.

Also, at what point to do simply play the hand you were delt? I mean in another 200 years are people still going to go back and say slavery is at the heart of the issue?

Can I go back to the Pope and ask for the money back that my great, great, great, great grandfather paid for an indulgence to save his wife’s soul back in Italy?

What about the social disadvantages of my great grandfather faced because he had just come over from Germany and he was fired from his job because he was a “dirty Nazi”? That forced my family to grow up poor until my father scrapped enough money to go to college.

God damnit, The solution here is so simple, myself and others like me are wary around thuggish looking people regaurdless of skin color. We don’t care what someones skin color is, AT ALL. When people as a whole share this mindset then yeah, the world will be a hell of a lot better place. People are idividuals.

^^^^If you disagree, then you can go fuck yourself, this thread has lived for way to long.[/quote]

SO you get to answer for prof X these days?

I’m not even sure what your response has to do with my question. When did I ever mention “thugish” people?

All I wanted to know was what Prof. X’s ideal response would be and you aint him.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Qaash wrote:
Headhunter wrote:

Yep. To make racism go away, black people have to show they are better than whites: more educated, more polite, more well-spoken. Only when the white community HAS A REASON TO NOT BE RACIST will racism stop.

You are the first white man to openly say what I’ve known my entire adult life…so, we have to be better than you in every way so you won’t be afraid and be more relaxed around us in your community’s? I know from growing up in the suburbs that that isn’t the case. We move to the suburbs and the whites started moving out or panicked that their property values were going to suffer because the blacks had moved in. Sometimes, no matter what we do, there are white people who are always going to be nervous around us, so, I don’t worry about them. I stated earlier that being from NYC has given me a false perspective on the state of things…my generation deals with less and less of your line of thinking. If I encounter this, it’s usually and older white person or someone who is not from NY…the internet is a wonderful thing.

Some peope will always be racist. Fuck them.

Not racist at all…I simply demand proof before I accept someone as my equal. I don’t consider someone my equal because of any skin color.

Crime rates among blacks are high. 70% of black babies are born out of wedlock. STDs are rampant in black teen girls. It is not racism to flee from such people and it is not racism to not want to hire such people. I would not hire a woman with 4 kids by 4 seperate fathers. I would not hire someone with the attitude of belligerence over their past. I would not hire someone who is too stupid to wear a condom. Since those things are common among black people, someone has to show me that they are exceptional in that group before I would hire them.

It is not racist to demand proof. Make the proof overwhelming.

I’ll be waiting…

Why do you equate skin color to these other negative things listed?

If a black guy and a white guy spoke and dressed equally well and you know nothing further about them why does the black guy have to prove he is better than the white guy?

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One can’t have things both ways. Either there is such a thing as “black culture” or “white culture” or there isn’t. If there’s no such thing as “black culture,” then why are blacks on this site taking offense? But if there is, then certain statistics can describe it, just as they can describe “white culture” or any other culture. Governments keep track of certain population statistics. They always have and they always will, because they are indicators of certain things. In this case, our government keeps track of fatherlessness in the different cultures in the United States. Fatherlessness has an effect on crime statistics, school performance, and welfare use in a population. If it’s high, then the population and the culture of that population will suffer certain malignancies. These, in turn, color the opinion of other populations and cultures about that population.

If fatherlessness in the black community is high, than certain other pathologies will be found in that community. These, in turn, will affect how people of other races perceive them, because people notice trends and they watch the news.

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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:

One can’t have things both ways. Either there is such a thing as “black culture” or “white culture” or there isn’t. If there’s no such thing as “black culture,” then why are blacks on this site taking offense? But if there is, then certain statistics can describe it, just as they can describe “white culture” or any other culture. Governments keep track of certain population statistics. They always have and they always will, because they are indicators of certain things. In this case, our government keeps track of fatherlessness in the different cultures in the United States. Fatherlessness has an effect on crime statistics, school performance, and welfare use in a population. If it’s high, then the population and the culture of that population will suffer certain malignancies. These, in turn, color the opinion of other populations and cultures about that population.

If fatherlessness in the black community is high, than certain other pathologies will be found in that community. These, in turn, will affect how people of other races perceive them, because people notice trends and they watch the news. [/quote]

And these numbers can’t be manipulated? I give no credence to statistics because you can always do them to come out the way you want…the problem comes from people who do give them credence and accept them as fact and move on from there. Then I have to spend the rest of my days trying to disprove the stats that they formed all their opinions from…to live like that festers resentments like you can’t imagine, would you want to live like that?

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[quote]Qaash wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:

One can’t have things both ways. Either there is such a thing as “black culture” or “white culture” or there isn’t. If there’s no such thing as “black culture,” then why are blacks on this site taking offense? But if there is, then certain statistics can describe it, just as they can describe “white culture” or any other culture. Governments keep track of certain population statistics. They always have and they always will, because they are indicators of certain things. In this case, our government keeps track of fatherlessness in the different cultures in the United States. Fatherlessness has an effect on crime statistics, school performance, and welfare use in a population. If it’s high, then the population and the culture of that population will suffer certain malignancies. These, in turn, color the opinion of other populations and cultures about that population.

If fatherlessness in the black community is high, than certain other pathologies will be found in that community. These, in turn, will affect how people of other races perceive them, because people notice trends and they watch the news.

And these numbers can’t be manipulated? I give no credence to statistics because you can always do them to come out the way you want…the problem comes from people who do give them credence and accept them as fact and move on from there. Then I have to spend the rest of my days trying to disprove the stats that they formed all their opinions from…to live like that festers resentments like you can’t imagine, would you want to live like that?[/quote]

They can be manipulated. But why would they? Is there some secret cabal of white supremacists working at the CDC towards maligning the black community, or are they just compiling the data they get from maternity wards around the country?

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[quote]CrewPierce wrote:
Prof. X,
I’m wondering what response you would like to see to this?

Are you looking for everyone that’s white to admit we were the problem and pay families that there great, great, great grandfather was a slave?

Are you looking for us to simply say we are sorry?

I’m just curious as to what you would like to hear.

Also, at what point to do simply play the hand you were delt? I mean in another 200 years are people still going to go back and say slavery is at the heart of the issue?

Can I go back to the Pope and ask for the money back that my great, great, great, great grandfather paid for an indulgence to save his wife’s soul back in Italy?

What about the social disadvantages of my great grandfather faced because he had just come over from Germany and he was fired from his job because he was a “dirty Nazi”? That forced my family to grow up poor until my father scrapped enough money to go to college.

[/quote]

Rainjack already asked him what he wanted, asked him to spell it out as if he was a 3rd grader. There was no response.

I guess I should blame all my shortcomings on coming from Irish decent. Hell, the Irish couldn’t get a job in this country for a long time. What did they do about it? They integrated themselves as a part of this country. A few generations later, and voila! No more prejudice.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
jdrannin1 wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
I’ll be waiting…

Maybe YOU should put down the crack pipe. You are stereotyping at entire race with your ignorant viewpoint. I could label you as white trash. But that doesnt make every white person trash. Only YOU!

Get off your soap box. I weep for the children you teach. They should revoke your teaching licence.

Objective justice is painful, isn’t it?

Most of the middle class thinks like me. We are America. Want to join the middle class? You have to work for it.
Boo-hoo!!

[/quote]

HAHAHAHA whatever you say white america. Objective isnt the word I would use. Skewed and ignorant are better choices.

For your information I was not born into middle class, but I am white. Your problem is that you look at the world from a stereotype perspective. I have a few friends who are black and they are VERY middle class. Nice cars, clothes, social events, big homes, they live in nice neighbourhoods, huge loving families, they went to university, everything I’m sure you attribute to white people only. And NO, they did not get this way by dealing drugs, being a baller or being a rap artist. My friends and their families have always been very good to me and very generous. They dont treat me like a white “outsider”.

Middle class isnt a whites only club and if you think otherwise, you and all your peers are completely out of touch and need a taste of reality. Most people who have remained middle and upper class their whole life have little idea about the world around them.

Maybe you should turn off Nancy Grace and Dr. Phil and go volunteer at a local soup kitchen or donate some time and money to suffering neighbourhoods and communities. Why not do some good with your meeger ass life.

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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Qaash wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:

One can’t have things both ways. Either there is such a thing as “black culture” or “white culture” or there isn’t. If there’s no such thing as “black culture,” then why are blacks on this site taking offense? But if there is, then certain statistics can describe it, just as they can describe “white culture” or any other culture. Governments keep track of certain population statistics. They always have and they always will, because they are indicators of certain things. In this case, our government keeps track of fatherlessness in the different cultures in the United States. Fatherlessness has an effect on crime statistics, school performance, and welfare use in a population. If it’s high, then the population and the culture of that population will suffer certain malignancies. These, in turn, color the opinion of other populations and cultures about that population.

If fatherlessness in the black community is high, than certain other pathologies will be found in that community. These, in turn, will affect how people of other races perceive them, because people notice trends and they watch the news.

And these numbers can’t be manipulated? I give no credence to statistics because you can always do them to come out the way you want…the problem comes from people who do give them credence and accept them as fact and move on from there. Then I have to spend the rest of my days trying to disprove the stats that they formed all their opinions from…to live like that festers resentments like you can’t imagine, would you want to live like that?

They can be manipulated. But why would they? Is there some secret cabal of white supremacists working at the CDC towards maligning the black community, or are they just compiling the data they get from maternity wards around the country? [/quote]

Statistics can be bullshit. Just recently I was reading something on cheating spouses. In 2006, it said 70% of wives cheated, but then in 2007, that dropped to something like 30%. Huh???

At the end of the day, you look to who could gain for manipulating the facts.

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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Qaash wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:

One can’t have things both ways. Either there is such a thing as “black culture” or “white culture” or there isn’t. If there’s no such thing as “black culture,” then why are blacks on this site taking offense? But if there is, then certain statistics can describe it, just as they can describe “white culture” or any other culture. Governments keep track of certain population statistics. They always have and they always will, because they are indicators of certain things. In this case, our government keeps track of fatherlessness in the different cultures in the United States. Fatherlessness has an effect on crime statistics, school performance, and welfare use in a population. If it’s high, then the population and the culture of that population will suffer certain malignancies. These, in turn, color the opinion of other populations and cultures about that population.

If fatherlessness in the black community is high, than certain other pathologies will be found in that community. These, in turn, will affect how people of other races perceive them, because people notice trends and they watch the news.

And these numbers can’t be manipulated? I give no credence to statistics because you can always do them to come out the way you want…the problem comes from people who do give them credence and accept them as fact and move on from there. Then I have to spend the rest of my days trying to disprove the stats that they formed all their opinions from…to live like that festers resentments like you can’t imagine, would you want to live like that?

They can be manipulated. But why would they? Is there some secret cabal of white supremacists working at the CDC towards maligning the black community, or are they just compiling the data they get from maternity wards around the country? [/quote]

Honestly, I don’t know, strife equals profit in some places, why not here on a social level…but I do know, that according to most stats, I should have been arrested at least once, been a high school drop out and have at least three kids by three different mothers…that is not ME. I’m a college grad, single, no children, never been arrested and a home owner and I’m not alone…there are more people like me than statistics will account for.

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Statistics actually account for everyone, you included. But you are the minority within your own race. There are plenty of you out there. There are just more that make the black race as a whole look bad.

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[quote]Qaash wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Qaash wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:

One can’t have things both ways. Either there is such a thing as “black culture” or “white culture” or there isn’t. If there’s no such thing as “black culture,” then why are blacks on this site taking offense? But if there is, then certain statistics can describe it, just as they can describe “white culture” or any other culture. Governments keep track of certain population statistics. They always have and they always will, because they are indicators of certain things. In this case, our government keeps track of fatherlessness in the different cultures in the United States. Fatherlessness has an effect on crime statistics, school performance, and welfare use in a population. If it’s high, then the population and the culture of that population will suffer certain malignancies. These, in turn, color the opinion of other populations and cultures about that population.

If fatherlessness in the black community is high, than certain other pathologies will be found in that community. These, in turn, will affect how people of other races perceive them, because people notice trends and they watch the news.

And these numbers can’t be manipulated? I give no credence to statistics because you can always do them to come out the way you want…the problem comes from people who do give them credence and accept them as fact and move on from there. Then I have to spend the rest of my days trying to disprove the stats that they formed all their opinions from…to live like that festers resentments like you can’t imagine, would you want to live like that?

They can be manipulated. But why would they? Is there some secret cabal of white supremacists working at the CDC towards maligning the black community, or are they just compiling the data they get from maternity wards around the country?

Honestly, I don’t know, strife equals profit in some places, why not here on a social level…but I do know, that according to most stats, I should have been arrested at least once, been a high school drop out and have at least three kids by three different mothers…that is not ME. I’m a college grad, single, no children, never been arrested and a home owner and I’m not alone…there are more people like me than statistics will account for.[/quote]

Well, you just worked hard, stayed out of trouble, and (unsurprisingly) you’re successful.

We could say that these population statistics are skewed for some evil purpose, but that would require some conspiracy. And such a conspiracy, because it is committed on such a grand scale, is very likely to be exposed. We’d expect a bestseller entitled, “The Racism Inside the CDC” or something like that. There would be some whistleblowing, especially in this day and age.

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[quote]zephead4747 wrote:

^^^^If you disagree, then you can go fuck yourself, this thread has lived for way to long.[/quote]

Uh, it was created yesterday.

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Statistics actually account for everyone, you included. But you are the minority within your own race. There are plenty of you out there. There are just more that make the black race as a whole look bad.[/quote]

Lanky, you are killing me…I believe it’s the reverse, the acts and behavior of the few vilify the many…and you are accepting them as our representatives.

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[quote]Qaash wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
Statistics actually account for everyone, you included. But you are the minority within your own race. There are plenty of you out there. There are just more that make the black race as a whole look bad.

Lanky, you are killing me…I believe it’s the reverse, the acts and behavior of the few vilify the many…and you are accepting them as our representatives.[/quote]

Ah, I stand corrected. I must have had quite a bad moment there.

But, I believe, some statistics do account for everyone. As in, the number of black and/or white males currently incarcerated, that type of thing.

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Qaash wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
Statistics actually account for everyone, you included. But you are the minority within your own race. There are plenty of you out there. There are just more that make the black race as a whole look bad.

Lanky, you are killing me…I believe it’s the reverse, the acts and behavior of the few vilify the many…and you are accepting them as our representatives.

Ah, I stand corrected. I must have had quite a bad moment there.

But, I believe, some statistics do account for everyone. As in, the number of black and/or white males currently incarcerated, that type of thing.[/quote]

For the sake of keeping this discussion on track, I’ll concede the stats on the penal system cause that’s a another thread all together.