What Price for White Skin?

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]CrewPierce wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
CrewPierce wrote:
Prof. X,
I’m wondering what response you would like to see to this?

Are you looking for everyone that’s white to admit we were the problem and pay families that there great, great, great grandfather was a slave?

Are you looking for us to simply say we are sorry?

I’m just curious as to what you would like to hear.

Also, at what point to do simply play the hand you were delt? I mean in another 200 years are people still going to go back and say slavery is at the heart of the issue?

Can I go back to the Pope and ask for the money back that my great, great, great, great grandfather paid for an indulgence to save his wife’s soul back in Italy?

What about the social disadvantages of my great grandfather faced because he had just come over from Germany and he was fired from his job because he was a “dirty Nazi”? That forced my family to grow up poor until my father scrapped enough money to go to college.

God damnit, The solution here is so simple, myself and others like me are wary around thuggish looking people regaurdless of skin color. We don’t care what someones skin color is, AT ALL. When people as a whole share this mindset then yeah, the world will be a hell of a lot better place. People are idividuals.

^^^^If you disagree, then you can go fuck yourself, this thread has lived for way to long.

SO you get to answer for prof X these days?

I’m not even sure what your response has to do with my question. When did I ever mention “thugish” people?

All I wanted to know was what Prof. X’s ideal response would be and you aint him.[/quote]

I didn’t answer for X, I put my $.02 in because this thread is ridiculous.

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:

^^^^If you disagree, then you can go fuck yourself, this thread has lived for way to long.

Uh, it was created yesterday.[/quote]

should have died way before 270 posts.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Joe D. wrote:
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What strikes me from these threads is that the younger white generations seemingly do not feel responsible for the treatment/position of the black community in the US in previous years.

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Why would I be responsible for the actions of others? Especially before I was born?

Why would anyone expect me to?[/quote]

I never said you should.

The black community have lived in the US as long as the white community have yet they are far from in equal stead. Somehow that has to be corrected, yet as the current white generations feel no responsibility for it, how on earth will that ever happen?

This is what comes across again and again in all these threads lately. Any time anyone mentions that things haven’t always been fair people get angry and the mud starts flying.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
With all due respect for the great Rosa Parks, there were many days before that one day that she DID sit in the back of that bus. In fact, the thing that sparked her split second decision that helped change society was the simple fact that she was tired as hell from work and her feet hurt. She simply refused at that point and accepted being arrested for the simple act of sitting in a seat.

That means there were several days before that day where she DID give a shit what others thought…because the ramifications of not doing so involved risking everything.[/quote]

But the fact remains - she did something. Excuse away why she did something, if you must. But she took action none the less. Which is more than I see anyone in the black community doing currently, of for the past several years. All you get from Jesse an Al (leaders in the black community whether you want them to be or not) is whining and complaining. No action, just bitching and moaning. Not much different than what one reads in this thread.

Then you haven’t been reading.

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[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:

^^^^If you disagree, then you can go fuck yourself, this thread has lived for way to long.

Uh, it was created yesterday.

should have died way before 270 posts.[/quote]

Fuck off, pee wee.

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I am willing to do my part to ease racial tensions:

Wanted: A blackie that can teach me to dance, in return I will teach you to read. -Whitey

You scratch my back, I’ll scratch yours.

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[quote]Joe D. wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Joe D. wrote:
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What strikes me from these threads is that the younger white generations seemingly do not feel responsible for the treatment/position of the black community in the US in previous years.

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Why would I be responsible for the actions of others? Especially before I was born?

Why would anyone expect me to?

I never said you should.

The black community have lived in the US as long as the white community have yet they are far from in equal stead. Somehow that has to be corrected, yet as the current white generations feel no responsibility for it, how on earth will that ever happen?

This is what comes across again and again in all these threads lately. Any time anyone mentions that things haven’t always been fair people get angry and the mud starts flying.[/quote]

Nobody here is denying that things haven’t always been fair. Unfairness is life.

Several of the whites here, myself included, believe fatherlessness goes a long way towards explaining the inequalities. We deny that black fatherlessness is our fault. Blacks have a different viewpoint. If we can’t establish root causes for the problem, there’s very little we can do to resolve it.

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What is the most common reason for marital strife?
Money.
So what would lead to the lowest rate of couples staying together?
Poverty.

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[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
What is the most common reason for marital strife?
Money.
So what would lead to the lowest rate of couples staying together?
Poverty.
[/quote]

A rotten culture.

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[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
What is the most common reason for marital strife?
Money.
So what would lead to the lowest rate of couples staying together?
Poverty.
[/quote]

By the way, the 70% figure is out of wedlock births. Alone. At this point, we’re only considering couples who weren’t married. So no marital strife.

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[quote]Joe D. wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Joe D. wrote:
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What strikes me from these threads is that the younger white generations seemingly do not feel responsible for the treatment/position of the black community in the US in previous years.

…

Why would I be responsible for the actions of others? Especially before I was born?

Why would anyone expect me to?

I never said you should.

The black community have lived in the US as long as the white community have yet they are far from in equal stead. Somehow that has to be corrected, yet as the current white generations feel no responsibility for it, how on earth will that ever happen? …[/quote]

If we’re going to address the problems we don’t need a historical blame game - in fact, that would be counterproductive. What we need to do is target the lowest income quintile and try to improve education, while at the same time disincentivizing destructive behaviors (broken homes; violence; etc.). It’s not a race issue, it’s an economic underclass problem. We need to get everyone in the country to see education and hard work as the path to economic success and security.

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I was using marital strife as an all encompassing term for long term relationships.
Marriage isn’t really necessary for comitment,so my mistake there.

But the poverty factor remains valid.The poorer you are,the less chance a couple will remain together.

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[quote]Qaash wrote:

Lanky, you are killing me…I believe it’s the reverse, the acts and behavior of the few vilify the many…and you are accepting them as our representatives.[/quote]

This is a huge problem - and the problem is with those few.

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[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
I was using marital strife as an all encompassing term for long term relationships.
Marriage isn’t really necessary for comitment,so my mistake there.

But the poverty factor remains valid.The poorer you are,the less chance a couple will remain together.

[/quote]

Marriage isn’t necessary for commitment? Because raising a child is filling out a child-support check, and maybe a visit on the weekends?

And, a child of a single parent/broken home is more likely to remain in poverty.

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So you cannot be committed to someone in your view unless you’re married?

Is that the be all/end all of commitment?

And yes,poverty is a vicious cycle.No one has stated otherwise.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:

^^^^If you disagree, then you can go fuck yourself, this thread has lived for way to long.

Uh, it was created yesterday.

should have died way before 270 posts.

Fuck off, pee wee. [/quote]

This actually made me laugh.

And for anyone who thinks this thread “went downhill fast”, this is what a discussion is. You don’t see any of us making personal attacks on each other for no reason. Just giving our different opinions. So if that is downhill, you’re not capable of taking part in a discussion.

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[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
So you cannot be committed to someone in your view unless you’re married?

Is that the be all/end all of commitment?

And yes,poverty is a vicious cycle.No one has stated otherwise.

[/quote]

Are you trying to make a point that many/most of these kids are living with their both their parents? I do not think that is the case.

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No, they are not. I am living proof nothing could be further from the truth. Even the middle class white people (gasp it’s actually true Head Hunter) divorce and their kids aren’t necessarily destined to live poor.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
So you cannot be committed to someone in your view unless you’re married?

Is that the be all/end all of commitment?

And yes,poverty is a vicious cycle.No one has stated otherwise.

Are you trying to make a point that many/most of these kids are living with their both their parents? I do not think that is the case.[/quote]

No,not at all,I agree with what you’re saying.What I’m trying to convey is that ‘wedlock’ is hardly a guarantee that the family unit will stay intact,and seeing it as the only possible formula and solution to the issue
is not realistic.
The fact that babies may be born out of wedlock is not the cause of the malaise.
Poverty is.

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This thread is killing me and being neither white or black, well hell I’ve been known to claim both, I being from one of these poverty stricken fatherless homes y’all talk about my race is always up for grabs.I don’t know where some of you are from because up here in the Pac Northwest most of the blacks I know are smarter and more educated than I will ever be.

Sadly the thug dressing, ebonic talking, gagsta types are all either hispanic or white boys who have never located a mirror to check their skin color. Sadly they might also be related to me. Half my family is Hispanic black and depending on how whitetrash/dirty Mex/ghetto black their family is, dictates their drive and motivation.

I would never be scared of black man walking down the street here because he’s probably terrified that there is so many white folks around, I will say that I will sterotype anybody by their appearance and actions, but maybe that is the result of a childhood in the worse neighborhoods. We were taught not to see color but to see threat or non-threat we were poor so black, white, brown, and yellow we had to hang together, it was for our survival.

To this day I will judge you by your actions not by your skin color. It’s interesting that this thread has not mentioned any other races because once again up here its the brown man that feels oppressed. He can’t get a high paying job because he might be illegal, he is just a dumb beaner because his car is on switches with gold antenana and the Virgin de guadelupe on the back window with a damn cow painted on the side.

Yet this same man knows that if he goes to a job interview to downplay his accent the best he can, dress sharp, and present himself appropraitely, now if he walks in and a black man walked in who is getting the job? The black guy, no accent, no whispers of legality, and no retarded car in the parking lot. I think this issue is a individual person problem that gets blown up by ignorant people on all sides.

RJ wanted it broke down shotgun style, well here it is, do what you are doing, break our stereotypes, teach ours the right way to treat people, and if you see some ignorant person running their mouth than stand up for the innocent and oppressed. This will always be one of the problems that has to be fought on the individual battlefields there is no magic pill just hard work and time. There thats my 2 lbs God I wanted to stay out of this one!