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[quote]KBCThird wrote:

I wouldnt be so sure that getting a job will solve all of this. I know plenty of people with jobs who are still unhappy.[/quote]

No, but I don’t know anyone who is unemployeed and drinks too much who is happy, even though that is all they want to do.

I wouldn’t call myself happy all of the time, but then I don’t have the job I want. I think things would improve greatly if I did derive some purpose and satisfaction from my job.

However, I pay my bills and provide for all of my own needs, and I know that my mood is a lot better now compared to what it was when I couldn’t do those things.

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[quote]MarvelGirl wrote:
WTF is wrong with my generation. It’s as though people my age go to college and then they think they’re done.

“Got my degree, now somebody hand me my millions whilst I retire. dip dee do.”

Grow the fuck up. You remind me of an old “friend” I had lunch with several months ago who decided to get snarky and asked me.

“Does it ever bother you that you’re approaching 30 and you don’t have a degree?”

My response was
“Does it bother you that you have two degrees and you still live with your mommy? Or how about the fact that you’re about to ask a college dropout to pay for your lunch because you can’t afford to eat in this restaurant?”

I know your type, you’re a fucking loser. You’ll probably always be a loser, and it’s no one’s fault but your own.
All that education and you’re still a pathetic pile of shit.

Grats.[/quote]

  1. Drop out of college.
  2. Call everyone else a loser and a pathetic pile of shit.
  3. ???
  4. PROFIT!

O.K. Got it…

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[quote]MarvelGirl wrote:
WTF is wrong with my generation. It’s as though people my age go to college and then they think they’re done.

“Got my degree, now somebody hand me my millions whilst I retire. dip dee do.”

Grow the fuck up. You remind me of an old “friend” I had lunch with several months ago who decided to get snarky and asked me.

“Does it ever bother you that you’re approaching 30 and you don’t have a degree?”

My response was
“Does it bother you that you have two degrees and you still live with your mommy? Or how about the fact that you’re about to ask a college dropout to pay for your lunch because you can’t afford to eat in this restaurant?”

I know your type, you’re a fucking loser. You’ll probably always be a loser, and it’s no one’s fault but your own.
All that education and you’re still a pathetic pile of shit.

Grats.[/quote]

Awesome.

I don’t know anyone who went to graduate school who was passionate about their major, or used their education to advance their career. They went to graduate school because college was almost over and they were terrified of adulthood.

So they get more financial aid, and like AQ they keep up the bohemian lifestyle while the faces around them get younger and younger until they realize that they have become the creepy old guy who shouldn’t be there.

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Overcomplicating things. Like most people in this confused society, the OP needs a mentor. He needs some ideological foundation and he needs to learn how to control his thoughts.
OP, think again about that newsletter. Its cheap, and Robert Kiyosaki used to be a subscriber.

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[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:
Awesome.

I don’t know anyone who went to graduate school who was passionate about their major, or used their education to advance their career. They went to graduate school because college was almost over and they were terrified of adulthood.

So they get more financial aid, and like AQ they keep up the bohemian lifestyle while the faces around them get younger and younger until they realize that they have become the creepy old guy who shouldn’t be there.[/quote]

Law school? Medical school? If you went to a decent college, your professors probably got a PhD and graduated near the top of their class too. If you’ve met any lawyers, doctors, or college professors, well…then I’ve made a liar out of you.

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[quote]blithe wrote:
Uncle Gabby wrote:
Awesome.

I don’t know anyone who went to graduate school who was passionate about their major, or used their education to advance their career. They went to graduate school because college was almost over and they were terrified of adulthood.

So they get more financial aid, and like AQ they keep up the bohemian lifestyle while the faces around them get younger and younger until they realize that they have become the creepy old guy who shouldn’t be there.

Law school? Medical school? If you went to a decent college, your professors probably got a PhD and graduated near the top of their class too. If you’ve met any lawyers, doctors, or college professors, well…then I’ve made a liar out of you.[/quote]

I’m not lying. I went to art school. Most of the people I went to school with have little need of a masters or PhD. It would be nice if some of them wanted to teach, but speaking to students who came up behind me, my classmates who went to grad school made really awful teachers.

Law School and Medical School sound nice, but those people would have to be rather driven when it comes to their careers, and that is definately not the OP.

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[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:
blithe wrote:
Uncle Gabby wrote:
Awesome.

I don’t know anyone who went to graduate school who was passionate about their major, or used their education to advance their career. They went to graduate school because college was almost over and they were terrified of adulthood.

So they get more financial aid, and like AQ they keep up the bohemian lifestyle while the faces around them get younger and younger until they realize that they have become the creepy old guy who shouldn’t be there.

Law school? Medical school? If you went to a decent college, your professors probably got a PhD and graduated near the top of their class too. If you’ve met any lawyers, doctors, or college professors, well…then I’ve made a liar out of you.

I’m not lying. I went to art school. Most of the people I went to school with have little need of a masters or PhD. It would be nice if some of them wanted to teach, but speaking to students who came up behind me, my classmates who went to grad school made really awful teachers.

Law School and Medical School sound nice, but those people would have to be rather driven when it comes to their careers, and that is definately not the OP.[/quote]

I was replying more to your life-specific experiences rather than school-specific. Every doctor you’ve met went to medical school. Most professors who taught you went through a PhD. Between you and marvelgirl there was enough bashing on drifters by way of those who are drifting through higher education that I felt I had to balance the scales.

Many fools are wasting their time going through college it’s true, but college is still a great choice for many.

As for the OP, yeah, grad school is probably not a wise choice unless you gets your shit together first. If it’s done correctly, it’s some seriously tough shit, and it’s not worth going through with that sort of pain unless you’re know exactly why you’re doing it and you’re committed to seeing it through.

In the end it is worthwhile though. If it’s done incorrectly, it’s a waste of your time and you’ll wind up wondering why you did it and what you’re going to do with this mountain of debt, an experience very similar to what you’re going through now.

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[quote]blithe wrote:

I was replying more to your life-specific experiences rather than school-specific. Every doctor you’ve met went to medical school. Most professors who taught you went through a PhD.

Between you and marvelgirl there was enough bashing on drifters by way of those who are drifting through higher education that I felt I had to balance the scales. Many fools are wasting their time going through college it’s true, but college is still a great choice for many.

[/quote]
I was talking about my life-specific experiences also. Notice that in my original post I referred only to people that I know, as in, I was so well acquainted with them that I could understand their thinking and the decisions they made, and got to see over time how those decisions played out and affected their lives in the long run.

I wasn’t talking about random people like doctors or lawyers or professors that I’ve met here and there. Just casually meeting someone, shaking their hand and learning their name doesn’t give you enough insight to know why or how they decided to do what they do.

I agree with you that college is a great choice for many. I’m not one to bash education or educated people. But college should not be the default choice for everyone, and grad school absolutely not.

I was constantly amazed how, when I was fresh out of college and working shitty jobs to make ends meet, people always asked me if I had considered grad school, as if it was a refuge for people who were failing at adulthood.

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I wonder how many of these guys who didn;t make the investment of going through graduate school are worth a few million dollars before they hit their mid thirties.
if you want to make a pittance, have a lliquid net worth of a measly few hundred thou and survive paycheck to paycheck with a debt of a few thousand dollars…sure! don;t go to grad school. you’ll start earning your pathetic incomes a lot earlier.

[quote]blithe wrote:
Uncle Gabby wrote:
blithe wrote:
Uncle Gabby wrote:
Awesome.

I don’t know anyone who went to graduate school who was passionate about their major, or used their education to advance their career. They went to graduate school because college was almost over and they were terrified of adulthood.

So they get more financial aid, and like AQ they keep up the bohemian lifestyle while the faces around them get younger and younger until they realize that they have become the creepy old guy who shouldn’t be there.

Law school? Medical school? If you went to a decent college, your professors probably got a PhD and graduated near the top of their class too. If you’ve met any lawyers, doctors, or college professors, well…then I’ve made a liar out of you.

I’m not lying. I went to art school. Most of the people I went to school with have little need of a masters or PhD. It would be nice if some of them wanted to teach, but speaking to students who came up behind me, my classmates who went to grad school made really awful teachers.

Law School and Medical School sound nice, but those people would have to be rather driven when it comes to their careers, and that is definately not the OP.

I was replying more to your life-specific experiences rather than school-specific. Every doctor you’ve met went to medical school. Most professors who taught you went through a PhD. Between you and marvelgirl there was enough bashing on drifters by way of those who are drifting through higher education that I felt I had to balance the scales.

Many fools are wasting their time going through college it’s true, but college is still a great choice for many.

As for the OP, yeah, grad school is probably not a wise choice unless you gets your shit together first. If it’s done correctly, it’s some seriously tough shit, and it’s not worth going through with that sort of pain unless you’re know exactly why you’re doing it and you’re committed to seeing it through.

In the end it is worthwhile though. If it’s done incorrectly, it’s a waste of your time and you’ll wind up wondering why you did it and what you’re going to do with this mountain of debt, an experience very similar to what you’re going through now.[/quote]

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I think many people are missing the point.
Yes having a job does add to the quality of life. Our friend probably could get a job if he chose-instead he wallows in self pity.
I’ve seen people starting a 6:am shift, drinking in parking lot and I mean pouring it down. I’ve seen guys show up drunk in the morning passing out and pissing them selves.

Once people start drinking vast amounts of liquor they generally are out of control.
He will probably have to surrender to a higher power than himself-detox,religion or some type of value system.

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[quote]blithe wrote:

I was replying more to your life-specific experiences rather than school-specific. Every doctor you’ve met went to medical school. Most professors who taught you went through a PhD. Between you and marvelgirl there was enough bashing on drifters by way of those who are drifting through higher education that I felt I had to balance the scales.

Many fools are wasting their time going through college it’s true, but college is still a great choice for many.

As for the OP, yeah, grad school is probably not a wise choice unless you gets your shit together first. If it’s done correctly, it’s some seriously tough shit, and it’s not worth going through with that sort of pain unless you’re know exactly why you’re doing it and you’re committed to seeing it through.

In the end it is worthwhile though. If it’s done incorrectly, it’s a waste of your time and you’ll wind up wondering why you did it and what you’re going to do with this mountain of debt, an experience very similar to what you’re going through now.[/quote]

I completely stand by my bashing of dumb fucks who spend years in college only to take up drinking gin and bitching about being a loser after graduation.

I find it curious that you refer to these people as “drifters”.

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[quote]MarvelGirl wrote:

I completely stand by my bashing of dumb fucks who spend years in college only to take up drinking gin and bitching about being a loser after graduation.

I find it curious that you refer to these people as “drifters”.
[/quote]

I refer to anyone who is going through life without direction as a drifter. In my mind’s eye I see them being pushed along by life’s current with no attempt to control it or get anywhere specific; they just drift.

As for your bashing of dumb fucks, well, can’t argue there. As I said before, I was only trying to prevent higher education from getting dragged into the muck along with the idiots who drifted into it.

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Totally understandable.

I’m all for higher education. It just seems that so many people my age get their degree and then when they find out that they don’t get to start off in their dream job, they borrow more money and go back to school to do something else.

The friend I was referring to has two bachelor degrees, is certified as a massage therapist and just went BACK to school to become a teacher. She claims she can’t make enough at any of the jobs she’s had, but she hasn’t tried working at any of them for more than 3 months.

It just drives me nuts.

I think with med school and law school though, those people know what they’re going for and they have the drive to prevent them from becoming stagnant. Perhaps it’s too easy for people to go to college now so they don’t really appreciate it as they should. I dunno.

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[quote]daudowen wrote:
He will probably have to surrender to a higher power than himself-detox,religion or some type of value system.[/quote]

Well these things are something that could help him in the short term, someday he will have to believe in himself to make any real progress.

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[quote]skaz05 wrote:
MarvelGirl wrote:
WTF is wrong with my generation. It’s as though people my age go to college and then they think they’re done.

“Got my degree, now somebody hand me my millions whilst I retire. dip dee do.”

Grow the fuck up. You remind me of an old “friend” I had lunch with several months ago who decided to get snarky and asked me.

“Does it ever bother you that you’re approaching 30 and you don’t have a degree?”

My response was
“Does it bother you that you have two degrees and you still live with your mommy? Or how about the fact that you’re about to ask a college dropout to pay for your lunch because you can’t afford to eat in this restaurant?”

I know your type, you’re a fucking loser. You’ll probably always be a loser, and it’s no one’s fault but your own.
All that education and you’re still a pathetic pile of shit.

Grats.

  1. Drop out of college.
  2. Call everyone else a loser and a pathetic pile of shit.
  3. ???
  4. PROFIT!

O.K. Got it…[/quote]

  1. Join army, get training, actually work for a living.
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[quote]MarvelGirl wrote:
WTF is wrong with my generation. It’s as though people my age go to college and then they think they’re done.
[/quote]

Agreed. Christ. I know so many fucking people who get worthless degrees and then bitch about it. It’s not some fucking mystery or random chance that you got a worthless degree - it’s your own fault for not researching what you were doing WITH YOUR FUCKING LIFE.

Most people will give you the shitty advice that you should just get a degree in what you love without taking into account the practical aspects of that.

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My advice: Quit being a fuckup. You probably know what you need to do, you just want attention from random people on the internet, which I don’t understand how you find comforting.

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[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:
You sound almost exactly like a friend of mine, except he’s 31. You suffer from depression because your life sucks. You don’t need drugs, you don’t need therapy. You need to get a job.

Do you know how you get a career? You get a shitty entry level job where you work your ass off for peanuts, you learn a few skills, get some experience on your resume, and either you move up the ladder, or move to a new company that offers you slightly better hours, and slightly better pay. Eventually, this becomes a career. Welcome to adulthood.
[/quote]

lol…no. That’s called the rat race.

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[quote]nowakc wrote:
MarvelGirl wrote:
WTF is wrong with my generation. It’s as though people my age go to college and then they think they’re done.

Agreed. Christ. I know so many fucking people who get worthless degrees and then bitch about it. It’s not some fucking mystery or random chance that you got a worthless degree - it’s your own fault for not researching what you were doing WITH YOUR FUCKING LIFE.

Most people will give you the shitty advice that you should just get a degree in what you love without taking into account the practical aspects of that. [/quote]

We see that advice right here too often. You won’t be enjoying your “dream job” too much if you can’t even pay for gas to drive to it. While we would all love to claim that the only thing that matters is whether you love what you do…love doesn’t pay the bills and the wiser choice is to find what can actually support you as well as something that agrees with you.

I knew way too many “Communications majors” and “phys education majors”. They chose their majors because they could sleep until 12 for most of their classes. It doesn’t hit them how that might be a mistake until graduation.

If you are in college, looking at the average salary of the career you are trying to go into should go hand in hand with actually filling out your initial schedule.

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[quote]hardgnr wrote:
Uncle Gabby wrote:
You sound almost exactly like a friend of mine, except he’s 31. You suffer from depression because your life sucks. You don’t need drugs, you don’t need therapy. You need to get a job.

Do you know how you get a career? You get a shitty entry level job where you work your ass off for peanuts, you learn a few skills, get some experience on your resume, and either you move up the ladder, or move to a new company that offers you slightly better hours, and slightly better pay. Eventually, this becomes a career. Welcome to adulthood.

lol…no. That’s called the rat race.[/quote]

It’s also how the world works unless you actually train for a specialty.

A college degree today is comparable to a highschool diploma 30 years ago. That means if that is all you have, it probably won’t be enough for you to be comfortable if we assume that your final career will be based off of your educational level.