[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]bpick86 wrote:
I just find it hard to believe that anyone that gets into this and tries to learn as much as they can about it would let something as trivial as one article telling them how much they can gain stand in the way of them gaining as much as possible. [/quote]
But…stop right there.
KIDS are learning how to think as well…from their peers…so if everyone is telling them they CAN’T do something, you are saying they will disregard social programming and believe it can be done anyway from sheer will power?
Our current poor population would deny that from sheer perpetual limitations on a social level through out families (let me know if that needs explanation due to wording).[/quote]
Deviating from topic bring it back
[/quote]
That stayed in topic.
It is called an analogy…and it fits.[/quote]
It did fit, I don’t necessarily agree with the premise of the last part in full but that’s for the PWI forum, but I just believe that most people that are cut out to make something out of their selves, in the gym or out, don’t respond to being told “You cant” by rolling over and accepting it. They have that “I’ll show you” chip on their shoulder.
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
Does anyon actually believe that there are natural 5’10 210 pound basketball players at 6% who have never touched a weight in their life?[/quote]
no[/quote]
Does it matter if he was a basketball player? Or can it be any sport? Herschel Walker in high school was a fuckin monster and never touched a weight. As a freshman in college he was 6’1" 218 lbs of pure muscle. Why do you say some people can’t be this genetically gifted?
[quote]Highjumper wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
Does anyon actually believe that there are natural 5’10 210 pound basketball players at 6% who have never touched a weight in their life?[/quote]
no[/quote]
Does it matter if he was a basketball player? Or can it be any sport? Herschel Walker in high school was a fuckin monster and never touched a weight. As a freshman in college he was 6’1" 218 lbs of pure muscle. Why do you say some people can’t be this genetically gifted?[/quote]
lolololololol
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]bpick86 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]bpick86 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]bpick86 wrote:
This “limit” is completely separate from the one we beat to death earlier first off. But yes, it would take a very large frame person to hit 210 6%bf @ 5’10". That being said, there have been some very successful naturally large framed body builders, Dave Draper comes to mind. Reg Park was very large framed back in the day. And the reason bodybuilders were used as a gauge to try to quantify “LBM potential” is because they are the ones that have come the closest to achieving that.[/quote]
No, by large I do not just mean big muscles or wide shoulders.
For instance, how tall are you and what is your shoe size?[/quote]
5’10.5" size 11.5 I also have small wrists and ankles but wide shoulders for my frame[/quote]
lol I’m 5’8 and wear 13s[/quote]
Hey…we’re black…[/quote]
I found out recently that I have a little black blood in me when I did my family tree. Incredibly interesting stories in there for anyone who ever takes on that project.[/quote]
Yeah it is. I have European, Native American, and Chinese ancestry. That’s as much as I know right now.[/quote]
My great-great-great Grandmother was black who had 3 children by a white man who’s wife was barren and they took the whitest and raised it as their own. Pretty messed up but it is what is. Also got Cuban, Cherokee, Choctaw, and various European groups.
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]Highjumper wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
Does anyon actually believe that there are natural 5’10 210 pound basketball players at 6% who have never touched a weight in their life?[/quote]
no[/quote]
Does it matter if he was a basketball player? Or can it be any sport? Herschel Walker in high school was a fuckin monster and never touched a weight. As a freshman in college he was 6’1" 218 lbs of pure muscle. Why do you say some people can’t be this genetically gifted?[/quote]
lolololololol[/quote]
Who says Herschel Walker never touched a weight?
Honest question, what does having a pro athlete as a relative prove? Unless he’s your twin, it doesn’t necessarily mean anything. I dunked a basketball for the first time at 5’7" and 16 years old. My oldest brother is 6’2" and could barely touch rim. Genetics can vary greatly between siblings.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Actually, the SOURCE of that information should be questioned by anyone who actually does understand the variability that could fall into any study.
That is why you look at the perameters of that study…and focusing on natural bodybuilding alone leaves many questions left unanswered which we have just covered here…like all of those guys who are too awkwardly built to win a bodybuilding contest but are actually carrying more size…or all of those athletes.
It is dishonest to IGNORE the problems with the source data.[/quote]
Ahh, but this is where we keep running around in circles…
If the only people willing to diet down to truly discernible (I know, I know, not hydrostatic or DEXA, but visual, which I realize is only so accurate) levels of bodyfat, as well as having to actually weigh in the day of a contest are natural competitors (whether they win the shows or not), and everyone else falls into the description of validity simply by posted internet photos, inaccurate caliper readings by “certified” personal trainers at their local gym, or self bodyfat approximations, then you can see which options those who at least are trying to get a clearer picture will choose to look at.
If these are the only options for source material, then even if the final answers are understood to be gross generalizations, which group would you examine from a scientific standpoint?
S
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Honest question, what does having a pro athlete as a relative prove? Unless he’s your twin, it doesn’t necessarily mean anything. I dunked a basketball for the first time at 5’7" and 16 years old. My oldest brother is 6’2" and could barely touch rim. Genetics can vary greatly between siblings.[/quote]
Gene expression is unpredictable (currently)
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I am related to someone who is a famous athlete…[/quote]
I am as well[/quote]
Who isnt?
[quote]bpick86 wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]Highjumper wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
Does anyon actually believe that there are natural 5’10 210 pound basketball players at 6% who have never touched a weight in their life?[/quote]
no[/quote]
Does it matter if he was a basketball player? Or can it be any sport? Herschel Walker in high school was a fuckin monster and never touched a weight. As a freshman in college he was 6’1" 218 lbs of pure muscle. Why do you say some people can’t be this genetically gifted?[/quote]
lolololololol[/quote]
Who says Herschel Walker never touched a weight?[/quote]
Probably read it on a blog someplace.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]bpick86 wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]Highjumper wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
Does anyon actually believe that there are natural 5’10 210 pound basketball players at 6% who have never touched a weight in their life?[/quote]
no[/quote]
Does it matter if he was a basketball player? Or can it be any sport? Herschel Walker in high school was a fuckin monster and never touched a weight. As a freshman in college he was 6’1" 218 lbs of pure muscle. Why do you say some people can’t be this genetically gifted?[/quote]
lolololololol[/quote]
Who says Herschel Walker never touched a weight?[/quote]
Probably read it on a blog someplace.[/quote]
O yeah, I forgot that they couldn’t put anything on the internet that isn’t true.
[quote]bpick86 wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]bpick86 wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]Highjumper wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
Does anyon actually believe that there are natural 5’10 210 pound basketball players at 6% who have never touched a weight in their life?[/quote]
no[/quote]
Does it matter if he was a basketball player? Or can it be any sport? Herschel Walker in high school was a fuckin monster and never touched a weight. As a freshman in college he was 6’1" 218 lbs of pure muscle. Why do you say some people can’t be this genetically gifted?[/quote]
lolololololol[/quote]
Who says Herschel Walker never touched a weight?[/quote]
Probably read it on a blog someplace.[/quote]
O yeah, I forgot that they couldn’t put anything on the internet that isn’t true.[/quote]
And where did you read that?
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]bpick86 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]bpick86 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]bpick86 wrote:
This “limit” is completely separate from the one we beat to death earlier first off. But yes, it would take a very large frame person to hit 210 6%bf @ 5’10". That being said, there have been some very successful naturally large framed body builders, Dave Draper comes to mind. Reg Park was very large framed back in the day. And the reason bodybuilders were used as a gauge to try to quantify “LBM potential” is because they are the ones that have come the closest to achieving that.[/quote]
No, by large I do not just mean big muscles or wide shoulders.
For instance, how tall are you and what is your shoe size?[/quote]
5’10.5" size 11.5 I also have small wrists and ankles but wide shoulders for my frame[/quote]
lol I’m 5’8 and wear 13s[/quote]
Hey…we’re black…[/quote]
I found out recently that I have a little black blood in me when I did my family tree. Incredibly interesting stories in there for anyone who ever takes on that project.[/quote]
Yeah it is. I have European, Native American, and Chinese ancestry. That’s as much as I know right now.[/quote]
I have African but I think we all have
A French model told me on an internet forum. She looks a lot like Bar Refaeli (No pics yet but her profile says her friends tell her that and why would she lie) and we started dating after I sent her a dick pic.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I am related to someone who is a famous athlete[/quote]
Michael Johnson as he is the only Black Texan I have heard of, maybe the only Texan I have heard of.
[quote]steven alex wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]bpick86 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]bpick86 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]bpick86 wrote:
This “limit” is completely separate from the one we beat to death earlier first off. But yes, it would take a very large frame person to hit 210 6%bf @ 5’10". That being said, there have been some very successful naturally large framed body builders, Dave Draper comes to mind. Reg Park was very large framed back in the day. And the reason bodybuilders were used as a gauge to try to quantify “LBM potential” is because they are the ones that have come the closest to achieving that.[/quote]
No, by large I do not just mean big muscles or wide shoulders.
For instance, how tall are you and what is your shoe size?[/quote]
5’10.5" size 11.5 I also have small wrists and ankles but wide shoulders for my frame[/quote]
lol I’m 5’8 and wear 13s[/quote]
Hey…we’re black…[/quote]
I found out recently that I have a little black blood in me when I did my family tree. Incredibly interesting stories in there for anyone who ever takes on that project.[/quote]
Yeah it is. I have European, Native American, and Chinese ancestry. That’s as much as I know right now.[/quote]
I have African but I think we all have[/quote]
Australopithecus FTW.
[quote]steven alex wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]bpick86 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]bpick86 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]bpick86 wrote:
This “limit” is completely separate from the one we beat to death earlier first off. But yes, it would take a very large frame person to hit 210 6%bf @ 5’10". That being said, there have been some very successful naturally large framed body builders, Dave Draper comes to mind. Reg Park was very large framed back in the day. And the reason bodybuilders were used as a gauge to try to quantify “LBM potential” is because they are the ones that have come the closest to achieving that.[/quote]
No, by large I do not just mean big muscles or wide shoulders.
For instance, how tall are you and what is your shoe size?[/quote]
5’10.5" size 11.5 I also have small wrists and ankles but wide shoulders for my frame[/quote]
lol I’m 5’8 and wear 13s[/quote]
Hey…we’re black…[/quote]
I found out recently that I have a little black blood in me when I did my family tree. Incredibly interesting stories in there for anyone who ever takes on that project.[/quote]
Yeah it is. I have European, Native American, and Chinese ancestry. That’s as much as I know right now.[/quote]
I have African but I think we all have[/quote]
I didn’t state it because I’m black, so it’s obvious
[quote]bpick86 wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]bpick86 wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]bpick86 wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]Highjumper wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
Does anyon actually believe that there are natural 5’10 210 pound basketball players at 6% who have never touched a weight in their life?[/quote]
no[/quote]
Does it matter if he was a basketball player? Or can it be any sport? Herschel Walker in high school was a fuckin monster and never touched a weight. As a freshman in college he was 6’1" 218 lbs of pure muscle. Why do you say some people can’t be this genetically gifted?[/quote]
lolololololol[/quote]
Who says Herschel Walker never touched a weight?[/quote]
Probably read it on a blog someplace.[/quote]
O yeah, I forgot that they couldn’t put anything on the internet that isn’t true.[/quote]
And where did you read that?[/quote]
A French model told me on an internet forum. She looks a lot like Bar Refaeli (No pics yet but her profile says her friends tell her that and why would she lie) and we started dating after I sent her a dick pic.[/quote]
Bar RAFAELI?!?!
TEACH ME YOUR WAYZZZ!!
[quote]Ripsaw3689 wrote:
[quote]steven alex wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]bpick86 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]bpick86 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]bpick86 wrote:
This “limit” is completely separate from the one we beat to death earlier first off. But yes, it would take a very large frame person to hit 210 6%bf @ 5’10". That being said, there have been some very successful naturally large framed body builders, Dave Draper comes to mind. Reg Park was very large framed back in the day. And the reason bodybuilders were used as a gauge to try to quantify “LBM potential” is because they are the ones that have come the closest to achieving that.[/quote]
No, by large I do not just mean big muscles or wide shoulders.
For instance, how tall are you and what is your shoe size?[/quote]
5’10.5" size 11.5 I also have small wrists and ankles but wide shoulders for my frame[/quote]
lol I’m 5’8 and wear 13s[/quote]
Hey…we’re black…[/quote]
I found out recently that I have a little black blood in me when I did my family tree. Incredibly interesting stories in there for anyone who ever takes on that project.[/quote]
Yeah it is. I have European, Native American, and Chinese ancestry. That’s as much as I know right now.[/quote]
I have African but I think we all have[/quote]
Australopithecus FTW.[/quote]
Lucy
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]bpick86 wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]bpick86 wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]bpick86 wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]Highjumper wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
Does anyon actually believe that there are natural 5’10 210 pound basketball players at 6% who have never touched a weight in their life?[/quote]
no[/quote]
Does it matter if he was a basketball player? Or can it be any sport? Herschel Walker in high school was a fuckin monster and never touched a weight. As a freshman in college he was 6’1" 218 lbs of pure muscle. Why do you say some people can’t be this genetically gifted?[/quote]
lolololololol[/quote]
Who says Herschel Walker never touched a weight?[/quote]
Probably read it on a blog someplace.[/quote]
O yeah, I forgot that they couldn’t put anything on the internet that isn’t true.[/quote]
And where did you read that?[/quote]
A French model told me on an internet forum. She looks a lot like Bar Refaeli (No pics yet but her profile says her friends tell her that and why would she lie) and we started dating after I sent her a dick pic.[/quote]
Bar RAFAELI?!?!
TEACH ME YOUR WAYZZZ!![/quote]
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