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[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]setto222 wrote:
No way to prove that I was (and hopefully soon will be again) a medical student, but to be fair most Dent and Med students are put into the same BOM (basics of medicine) classes for the first year and a half of their degrees. Meaning most DDS and MD students have very similar pre-clerkship educations.

If X were to argue that he knew ALL the same pathologies and histology of an MD student, I would disagree. But he isn’t saying that. He is merely saying that he has the same education as an MD student in terms of anatomy, physiology, biochem etc. which in most universities I know of it fairly accurate.

Let’s not gang up on me now because I’m supporting X for this one thing. For some reason this forum has turned into a bi-partisan system…But in this case it’s not so much opinion as it is fact.

[/quote]

Disagree even pharm students which IMO are much more similar than dentist in terms of training do not have the same even or depth in those basic courses. They have them but the depth is no where near the same. And not sure what school you went to that is still doing basics second year. [/quote]

Yeah that was my bad. BOM is M1 then we jump into intro to clinical. You are correct sir.

As for the depth, sure an MD will learn more in depth because they then have to learn about all the associated pathologies. The school I plan to attend next year will be much more of a systems based - spiral learning curriculum so there won’t be many shared classes with Pharm and Dent. But from my understanding, this is relatively new.

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[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]bpick86 wrote:
This is not rocket science.[/quote]
I wish it was[/quote]

This argument would be more relevant. Props on the tough course load by the way. I loved physics but I just could not make that engineering leap. I tried everything else though so I don’t really know why I didn’t give it a go. Took all my chems, a&ps, and physics with the pre-med kids before jumping to exercise science, before settling on accounting my senior year. I am only a couple credits shy of my ex sci degree so I probably should just go back finish that.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]setto222 wrote:
No way to prove that I was (and hopefully soon will be again) a medical student, but to be fair most Dent and Med students are put into the same BOM (basics of medicine) classes for the first year and a half of their degrees. Meaning most DDS and MD students have very similar pre-clerkship educations.

If X were to argue that he knew ALL the same pathologies and histology of an MD student, I would disagree. But he isn’t saying that. He is merely saying that he has the same education as an MD student in terms of anatomy, physiology, biochem etc. which in most universities I know of it fairly accurate.

Let’s not gang up on me now because I’m supporting X for this one thing. For some reason this forum has turned into a bi-partisan system…But in this case it’s not so much opinion as it is fact.

[/quote]

Disagree even pharm students which IMO are much more similar than dentist in terms of training do not have the same even or depth in those basic courses. They have them but the depth is no where near the same. And not sure what school you went to that is still doing basics second year. [/quote]

Why are you relating my DDS to pharm students? We cover more than them in pharmacology…as we are the ones prescribing the drugs.[/quote]

This is a pretty good point.

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[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

I’m certain you did. I’d certainly spend my summers doing the same if I had decided to pursue medical school.
[/quote]

LOL at “summers”. This was the first two weeks of school.

LOL!!!

[/quote]
prior to enrollment… I anticipated having to post this[/quote]

What are you talking about? This was our fist exam taken on week two of school.[/quote]
If I decided to pursue medical school, I teach and train myself with everything I could get my hands on prior to my enrollment.[/quote]

Plz dont school wil be enough enjoy your time before hand
[/quote]
Yeah like I said, I don’t even have to worry about it because my plans are different lol[/quote]

That’s great…but now you know why I responded like I did.

I would actually say a person who did spend their first summer trying to catch up…will burn out first.

Med and dent school is about who can last running on empty the longest while performing the best.

it is a contest of endurance…not desire to please.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

Lolololololol
The vagus nerve is a damn large nerve insanely easy to identity and one that actually the general pop knows quite well[/quote]

Dear Lord…so you read that and thought we had 15 bodies out just to find a vagus nerve?

Our exams were over 200 empty blanks with us going around and showing what every nerve and vein was and every piece of anatomy, not just the vagus nerve.

Not sure why this would be funny anyway. You are laughing at people with real careers and knowledge.[/quote]

Yes that is what I meant by my statment. Wtf at your comprehension.

No I am laughing at your insane exaggerations your tests weren’t like that unless the 10 other ppl I know who when through dental school are liars. Fuck my tests were 25-40 questions only. Of course 500+ ids were fair game.

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[quote]setto222 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]setto222 wrote:
No way to prove that I was (and hopefully soon will be again) a medical student, but to be fair most Dent and Med students are put into the same BOM (basics of medicine) classes for the first year and a half of their degrees. Meaning most DDS and MD students have very similar pre-clerkship educations.

If X were to argue that he knew ALL the same pathologies and histology of an MD student, I would disagree. But he isn’t saying that. He is merely saying that he has the same education as an MD student in terms of anatomy, physiology, biochem etc. which in most universities I know of it fairly accurate.

Let’s not gang up on me now because I’m supporting X for this one thing. For some reason this forum has turned into a bi-partisan system…But in this case it’s not so much opinion as it is fact.

[/quote]

Disagree even pharm students which IMO are much more similar than dentist in terms of training do not have the same even or depth in those basic courses. They have them but the depth is no where near the same. And not sure what school you went to that is still doing basics second year. [/quote]

Why are you relating my DDS to pharm students? We cover more than them in pharmacology…as we are the ones prescribing the drugs.[/quote]

This is a pretty good point. [/quote]

I thought so.

Hey, it seems they are just trying to avoid giving me ay credit for anything.

If I gain more muscle…it is just fat.

If I know a decent amount about the body…an undergrad knows ju7st as much so it means nothing.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

You got to take it home? I doubt that very much. Letting you walk home with a skull loled again

Sad that you need to anyways serious [/quote]

? Yes, the entire class had a skull.

How is that laughable?

It is like being made fun of by the homeless guy on the street.[/quote]

Where did you say the entire class had one skull? You said everyone took a skull home. Does not compute. What fucking school legs you take home stuff from the anatomy lab. We can’t even take pictures

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]setto222 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

I only stated that further clarification was necessary. Chill.

The checklist for the first exam included
…[/quote]

I am not sure why you posted this. Our very first exam was identifying the more than 500 different parts of anatomy of the human skull. It was more in depth than the list you threw up.

It seems difficult to admit that a doctor has more training in anatomy and phys than any undergrad student.

Why?[/quote]
Why is it so hard to clarify beyond a sentence? I was showing you what I wanted to see from you. Something that wasn’t vague.[/quote]

I just told you. It would take pages to list out what we covered on our first test.

[/quote]

Gonna have to agree with this.

Ex: I find this manual covers the back and thorax sort of well, however it barely prepares you for dissection:

And that’s not even all of the dry-lab from unit 1! You then have to cover (at least) osteology and surface anatomy. THEN you should be pretty well versed at pointing out all of these structures from a radiology stand-point.

How much of this info the average doc retains? Who knows. Lol I left medical school last year to come home (family junk) and I can barely remember my origins and insertions. [/quote]

Thank you.

His list would be like what we would cover in a short review before the real lesson.

We had 15 bodies out and we had to locate the vagus nerve…along with 300 other random parts of internal anatomy that most people haven’t heard of. That was a test.[/quote]
Getting a bit more specific. This is good.[/quote]

Let me get you to understand this…you don’t find what we covered on line easily. We literally had to take a skull home and learn ever fossa every name of every tubercle and every indention. I don’t care to list out what we covered as frankly that was some of the most horrific schooling I have ever had.

You have not done this in an undergrad program. There is no fucking way.

Implying that you have is as insulting as it would be to a medical doctor…yet for some reason you don’t understand this.[/quote]

What’s funny is that, when I changed my major to Exercise and Movement Science for a semester, we did exactly that. Literally, our first exam was what you have described above. We had to go around the room and identify each and every part of the skull. For the record, I believe I received an “A” on that exam.

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[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

Lolololololol
The vagus nerve is a damn large nerve insanely easy to identity and one that actually the general pop knows quite well[/quote]

Dear Lord…so you read that and thought we had 15 bodies out just to find a vagus nerve?

Our exams were over 200 empty blanks with us going around and showing what every nerve and vein was and every piece of anatomy, not just the vagus nerve.

Not sure why this would be funny anyway. You are laughing at people with real careers and knowledge.[/quote]

Yes that is what I meant by my statment. Wtf at your comprehension.

No I am laughing at your insane exaggerations your tests weren’t like that unless the 10 other ppl I know who when through dental school are liars. Fuck my tests were 25-40 questions only. Of course 500+ ids were fair game.
[/quote]

LOL at calling me a liar.

I know what I did in school and told you.

You can go look up my curriculum.

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[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

You got to take it home? I doubt that very much. Letting you walk home with a skull loled again

Sad that you need to anyways serious [/quote]

? Yes, the entire class had a skull.

How is that laughable?

It is like being made fun of by the homeless guy on the street.[/quote]

Where did you say the entire class had one skull? You said everyone took a skull home. Does not compute. What fucking school legs you take home stuff from the anatomy lab. We can’t even take pictures
[/quote]

? So you are saying I didn’t because you…in some other unrelated state and school didn’t?

We had a skull in a wooden box with little numbers ion every fossa and piece of anatomy.

No need to lie about it.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]setto222 wrote:
No way to prove that I was (and hopefully soon will be again) a medical student, but to be fair most Dent and Med students are put into the same BOM (basics of medicine) classes for the first year and a half of their degrees. Meaning most DDS and MD students have very similar pre-clerkship educations.

If X were to argue that he knew ALL the same pathologies and histology of an MD student, I would disagree. But he isn’t saying that. He is merely saying that he has the same education as an MD student in terms of anatomy, physiology, biochem etc. which in most universities I know of it fairly accurate.

Let’s not gang up on me now because I’m supporting X for this one thing. For some reason this forum has turned into a bi-partisan system…But in this case it’s not so much opinion as it is fact.

[/quote]

Disagree even pharm students which IMO are much more similar than dentist in terms of training do not have the same even or depth in those basic courses. They have them but the depth is no where near the same. And not sure what school you went to that is still doing basics second year. [/quote]

Why are you relating my DDS to pharm students? We cover more than them in pharmacology…as we are the ones prescribing the drugs.[/quote]

This is a joke right?

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[quote]bpick86 wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]bpick86 wrote:
This is not rocket science.[/quote]
I wish it was[/quote]

This argument would be more relevant. Props on the tough course load by the way. I loved physics but I just could not make that engineering leap. I tried everything else though so I don’t really know why I didn’t give it a go. Took all my chems, a&ps, and physics with the pre-med kids before jumping to exercise science, before settling on accounting my senior year. I am only a couple credits shy of my ex sci degree so I probably should just go back finish that. [/quote]
I’m just trying to push myself the best I can with what I have and where I’m at with my life right now. Just really hungry lol. There’s a whole lot I want to do. Regarding going back to school, why not? It could become a useful credential if not simply a self-accomplishment to be proud of. I’m sure you can do it part-time. With the part-time, the opportunities for aid are different, but the schooling is cheaper obviously. You have a degree in accounting, so I’m sure you understand the finances.

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[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:

What’s funny is that, when I changed my major to Exercise and Movement Science for a semester, we did exactly that. Literally, our first exam was what you have described above. We had to go around the room and identify each and every part of the skull. For the record, I believe I received an “A” on that exam.[/quote]

Dear God…no, it is doubtful you learned skull anatomy on a doctor’s level.

Sorry to inform you of this.

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[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]setto222 wrote:
No way to prove that I was (and hopefully soon will be again) a medical student, but to be fair most Dent and Med students are put into the same BOM (basics of medicine) classes for the first year and a half of their degrees. Meaning most DDS and MD students have very similar pre-clerkship educations.

If X were to argue that he knew ALL the same pathologies and histology of an MD student, I would disagree. But he isn’t saying that. He is merely saying that he has the same education as an MD student in terms of anatomy, physiology, biochem etc. which in most universities I know of it fairly accurate.

Let’s not gang up on me now because I’m supporting X for this one thing. For some reason this forum has turned into a bi-partisan system…But in this case it’s not so much opinion as it is fact.

[/quote]

Disagree even pharm students which IMO are much more similar than dentist in terms of training do not have the same even or depth in those basic courses. They have them but the depth is no where near the same. And not sure what school you went to that is still doing basics second year. [/quote]

Why are you relating my DDS to pharm students? We cover more than them in pharmacology…as we are the ones prescribing the drugs.[/quote]

This is a joke right?[/quote]
???

You think we don’t?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

Lolololololol
The vagus nerve is a damn large nerve insanely easy to identity and one that actually the general pop knows quite well[/quote]

Dear Lord…so you read that and thought we had 15 bodies out just to find a vagus nerve?

Our exams were over 200 empty blanks with us going around and showing what every nerve and vein was and every piece of anatomy, not just the vagus nerve.

Not sure why this would be funny anyway. You are laughing at people with real careers and knowledge.[/quote]

Yes that is what I meant by my statment. Wtf at your comprehension.

No I am laughing at your insane exaggerations your tests weren’t like that unless the 10 other ppl I know who when through dental school are liars. Fuck my tests were 25-40 questions only. Of course 500+ ids were fair game.
[/quote]

LOL at calling me a liar.

I know what I did in school and told you.

You can go look up my curriculum.[/quote]

Ok point me where

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

You got to take it home? I doubt that very much. Letting you walk home with a skull loled again

Sad that you need to anyways serious [/quote]

? Yes, the entire class had a skull.

How is that laughable?

It is like being made fun of by the homeless guy on the street.[/quote]

Where did you say the entire class had one skull? You said everyone took a skull home. Does not compute. What fucking school legs you take home stuff from the anatomy lab. We can’t even take pictures
[/quote]

? So you are saying I didn’t because you…in some other unrelated state and school didn’t?

We had a skull in a wooden box with little numbers ion every fossa and piece of anatomy.

No need to lie about it.[/quote]

I would love to see a list of 500 things to identify on a skull like your test. There isn’t

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

I’m certain you did. I’d certainly spend my summers doing the same if I had decided to pursue medical school.
[/quote]

LOL at “summers”. This was the first two weeks of school.

LOL!!!

[/quote]
prior to enrollment… I anticipated having to post this[/quote]

What are you talking about? This was our fist exam taken on week two of school.[/quote]
If I decided to pursue medical school, I teach and train myself with everything I could get my hands on prior to my enrollment.[/quote]

Plz dont school wil be enough enjoy your time before hand
[/quote]
Yeah like I said, I don’t even have to worry about it because my plans are different lol[/quote]

That’s great…but now you know why I responded like I did.

I would actually say a person who did spend their first summer trying to catch up…will burn out first.

Med and dent school is about who can last running on empty the longest while performing the best.

it is a contest of endurance…not desire to please.[/quote]
Makes sense given the profession

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

You got to take it home? I doubt that very much. Letting you walk home with a skull loled again

Sad that you need to anyways serious [/quote]

? Yes, the entire class had a skull.

How is that laughable?

It is like being made fun of by the homeless guy on the street.[/quote]

Where did you say the entire class had one skull? You said everyone took a skull home. Does not compute. What fucking school legs you take home stuff from the anatomy lab. We can’t even take pictures
[/quote]

? So you are saying I didn’t because you…in some other unrelated state and school didn’t?

We had a skull in a wooden box with little numbers ion every fossa and piece of anatomy.

No need to lie about it.[/quote]

Also course design and material are quite similar across the nation.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]setto222 wrote:
No way to prove that I was (and hopefully soon will be again) a medical student, but to be fair most Dent and Med students are put into the same BOM (basics of medicine) classes for the first year and a half of their degrees. Meaning most DDS and MD students have very similar pre-clerkship educations.

If X were to argue that he knew ALL the same pathologies and histology of an MD student, I would disagree. But he isn’t saying that. He is merely saying that he has the same education as an MD student in terms of anatomy, physiology, biochem etc. which in most universities I know of it fairly accurate.

Let’s not gang up on me now because I’m supporting X for this one thing. For some reason this forum has turned into a bi-partisan system…But in this case it’s not so much opinion as it is fact.

[/quote]

Disagree even pharm students which IMO are much more similar than dentist in terms of training do not have the same even or depth in those basic courses. They have them but the depth is no where near the same. And not sure what school you went to that is still doing basics second year. [/quote]

Why are you relating my DDS to pharm students? We cover more than them in pharmacology…as we are the ones prescribing the drugs.[/quote]

This is a joke right?[/quote]
???

You think we don’t?[/quote]

Very good your comprehension is coming up a bit. No I don’t. I know they also cover more than mds. It’s their job to know more than the prescribers

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[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

You got to take it home? I doubt that very much. Letting you walk home with a skull loled again

Sad that you need to anyways serious [/quote]

? Yes, the entire class had a skull.

How is that laughable?

It is like being made fun of by the homeless guy on the street.[/quote]

Where did you say the entire class had one skull? You said everyone took a skull home. Does not compute. What fucking school legs you take home stuff from the anatomy lab. We can’t even take pictures
[/quote]

? So you are saying I didn’t because you…in some other unrelated state and school didn’t?

We had a skull in a wooden box with little numbers ion every fossa and piece of anatomy.

No need to lie about it.[/quote]

I would love to see a list of 500 things to identify on a skull like your test. There isn’t [/quote]

I don’t know if there are 500 but there are a tremendous amount. Every ridge, bump, hole, crack, bump on a ridge has a name. The skull is one of the most intense parts of the body to learn in a gross class. Was for me at least. Second only to the cadaver arm.