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[quote]mezcal wrote:

A “much higher level way past college” means graduate school, be it medical, dental, or science-related doctoral programs. While these degrees are awarded by colleges, to make the claim that coursework from such programs is in any way equivalent to undergraduate coursework is laughable.

Medical and dental schools put their students through graduate level anatomy, biochemistry, nutrition, and physiology courses that far eclipse in their depth AND breadth anything an undergraduate would learn. There is a reason medical school is considered difficult, and it’s because its rigorous coursework is not completable by all.

As an MD, I respect what X has to say, because the guy has the best of both worlds: he has the medical level coursework training, as well as a hell of a lot of progress in the gym. He has a perspective on the physiology of the human body that, quite frankly, very few others on this site have. Unless you have graduated from medical or dental school, you simply haven’t the foggiest idea of what those accomplishments take, or the knowledge imparted on you by graduation.

Does X have the physique of a bodybuilder? No. Can he be crass and obnoxious? Sure! But I would be too if I had five different people denigrating me in various ways on every post I made, be it mocking his profession, physique, or in this case, even education. The point is that if you want bodybuilding information, go ahead and ask Stu or zraw, as they clearly have been very successful in that regard, however, if you want the opinion of someone with intimate understanding of human physiology as it pertains to muscle building, give me the guy with the medical degree who is also 250+ pounds. That’s not to say that those with undergraduate nutrition or kinesiology degrees don’t know anything about physiology (because that would be stupid), but rather, until anyone else has completed the coursework at such a medical level, why would you assume to know more?

And to answer your other question, a DDS or DMD (dental degree) has the ability to do post-graduate residency training in oral maxillofacial surgery, endodontics, orthodontics, etc. Any of these could be considered an oral surgeon, and once the training is completed, the candidate becomes a fully licensed, independent practitioner of whatever craft they’ve chosen.

Carry on.[/quote]

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[quote]steven alex wrote:
I just want to hang around till when X gets his medal for reaching 50k fuck his dental achievements THIS IS HIS FINEST HOUR[/quote]

Substitute 1,000,000 points for 50,000 posts and Guitar Hero for T Nation and this is more than likely what will happen

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]setto222 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

I only stated that further clarification was necessary. Chill.

The checklist for the first exam included
…[/quote]

I am not sure why you posted this. Our very first exam was identifying the more than 500 different parts of anatomy of the human skull. It was more in depth than the list you threw up.

It seems difficult to admit that a doctor has more training in anatomy and phys than any undergrad student.

Why?[/quote]
Why is it so hard to clarify beyond a sentence? I was showing you what I wanted to see from you. Something that wasn’t vague.[/quote]

I just told you. It would take pages to list out what we covered on our first test.

[/quote]

Gonna have to agree with this.

Ex: I find this manual covers the back and thorax sort of well, however it barely prepares you for dissection:

And that’s not even all of the dry-lab from unit 1! You then have to cover (at least) osteology and surface anatomy. THEN you should be pretty well versed at pointing out all of these structures from a radiology stand-point.

How much of this info the average doc retains? Who knows. Lol I left medical school last year to come home (family junk) and I can barely remember my origins and insertions. [/quote]

Thank you.

His list would be like what we would cover in a short review before the real lesson.

We had 15 bodies out and we had to locate the vagus nerve…along with 300 other random parts of internal anatomy that most people haven’t heard of. That was a test.[/quote]
Getting a bit more specific. This is good.[/quote]

Let me get you to understand this…you don’t find what we covered on line easily. We literally had to take a skull home and learn ever fossa every name of every tubercle and every indention. I don’t care to list out what we covered as frankly that was some of the most horrific schooling I have ever had.

You have not done this in an undergrad program. There is no fucking way.

Implying that you have is as insulting as it would be to a medical doctor…yet for some reason you don’t understand this.[/quote]

The way you constantly try to equate your DDS with a MD is just as insulting. Yet for some reason you don’t understand this.

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[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:

Wow, let’s skip over the ‘fields specific to what gets discussed’.[/quote]

Didn’t skip it at all. I stick to what I know…which is why I avoid talking about contest prep outside of what I have seen from others I have trained with.

[quote] You really do hear what you want to. Seriously guy, you talk about your background all the time, but drop no real knowledge (damn I miss Modok, he actually walked the walk simply by being specifically involved in various threads).

When someone with a specific background discusses something relevant to bodybuilding (ie. Brick discussing Nutrition), and you get involved, you never actually say anything to show just how all knowing you are. Instead you take offense that someone you must perceive as being beneath you has the gall to question your opinions. Until you actually start demonstrating real info, not just talking about how much you have, most people will get the same impression I have.

I know that I’ve mentioned my brother before who has a PHD in Physical Therapy as well as various additional certifications of specialization. The guy has also won his class in bodybuilding shows. Ya know what? He’s humble enough to admit his knowledge base isn’t specific to bodybuilding, and he knows the human body inside and out. That’s why people respect him.

And for the record, when you misquote people, or even misattribute things they’ve said, you only make yourself look like more of an ass. I know you’ve said this to other people before, but I feel it’s actually appropriate here.

S[/quote]

Seriously, I don’t care in the least how humble you think I am. No “specifics” can be discussed when every post of mine elicits the same response.

I can not have a debate wit just you…it has to be with 10 other people all finding something different to fuss about.

If YOU want to speak of specifics then do so. Don’t sit there and pretend as if I can speak on much of anything lately without this.

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[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
^Ah, I understand. Yeah, it has always seemed that he thinks his approach should work for anyone. If not “they must not be cut out for this”.[/quote]

He didn’t even state ANY approach for noobs.

What to do with a noob for nutrition? X said he’d ask him what his views on food are. That’s it.

Training? X said, “I’d tell him to get in the gym.” That’s it. [/quote]
Coupled that with some weak qualifier like
how can I tell him exactly what to eat when I don’t even know how his body responds to food?
This doesn’t even take into account what he is already doing?
What about his current progress, that needs to be factored in.
The human body is way more complex than this, that is why giving specific numbers is useless.

[/quote]
Called it.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
^Ah, I understand. Yeah, it has always seemed that he thinks his approach should work for anyone. If not “they must not be cut out for this”.[/quote]

He didn’t even state ANY approach for noobs.

What to do with a noob for nutrition? X said he’d ask him what his views on food are. That’s it.

Training? X said, “I’d tell him to get in the gym.” That’s it. [/quote]

This is untrue. I would say you are flat out lying but let’s keep it professional.

I told you that in order to really understand what works for an individual you need to see what they have been doing already before making any changes.

I also disagreed with you on throwing out some basic template for everyone based on an equation rather than looking at the individual.

For your info…that is what any good doctor would do as well. You don’t diagnose words on a paper. The human condition is an X-Factor.

Now, if you claim I didn’t answer you again I will repost this to remind you.[/quote]

lol, so predictable.[/quote]

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[quote]super saiyan wrote:

The way you constantly try to equate your DDS with a MD is just as insulting. Yet for some reason you don’t understand this.[/quote]

…wow…an actual MD just said otherwise.

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So, naturals eh? Phew, know what I mean, capable and shit…

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[quote]super saiyan wrote:

The way you constantly try to equate your DDS with a MD is just as insulting. Yet for some reason you don’t understand this.[/quote]

[quote]mezcal wrote:

A “much higher level way past college” means graduate school, be it medical, dental, or science-related doctoral programs. While these degrees are awarded by colleges, to make the claim that coursework from such programs is in any way equivalent to undergraduate coursework is laughable.

Medical and dental schools put their students through graduate level anatomy, biochemistry, nutrition, and physiology courses that far eclipse in their depth AND breadth anything an undergraduate would learn. There is a reason medical school is considered difficult, and it’s because its rigorous coursework is not completable by all.

As an MD, I respect what X has to say, because the guy has the best of both worlds: he has the medical level coursework training, as well as a hell of a lot of progress in the gym. He has a perspective on the physiology of the human body that, quite frankly, very few others on this site have. Unless you have graduated from medical or dental school, you simply haven’t the foggiest idea of what those accomplishments take, or the knowledge imparted on you by graduation.

Does X have the physique of a bodybuilder? No. Can he be crass and obnoxious? Sure! But I would be too if I had five different people denigrating me in various ways on every post I made, be it mocking his profession, physique, or in this case, even education. The point is that if you want bodybuilding information, go ahead and ask Stu or zraw, as they clearly have been very successful in that regard, however, if you want the opinion of someone with intimate understanding of human physiology as it pertains to muscle building, give me the guy with the medical degree who is also 250+ pounds. That’s not to say that those with undergraduate nutrition or kinesiology degrees don’t know anything about physiology (because that would be stupid), but rather, until anyone else has completed the coursework at such a medical level, why would you assume to know more?

And to answer your other question, a DDS or DMD (dental degree) has the ability to do post-graduate residency training in oral maxillofacial surgery, endodontics, orthodontics, etc. Any of these could be considered an oral surgeon, and once the training is completed, the candidate becomes a fully licensed, independent practitioner of whatever craft they’ve chosen.

Carry on.[/quote]

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:

Wow, let’s skip over the ‘fields specific to what gets discussed’.[/quote]

Didn’t skip it at all. I stick to what I know…which is why I avoid talking about contest prep outside of what I have seen from others I have trained with.

[quote] You really do hear what you want to. Seriously guy, you talk about your background all the time, but drop no real knowledge (damn I miss Modok, he actually walked the walk simply by being specifically involved in various threads).

When someone with a specific background discusses something relevant to bodybuilding (ie. Brick discussing Nutrition), and you get involved, you never actually say anything to show just how all knowing you are. Instead you take offense that someone you must perceive as being beneath you has the gall to question your opinions. Until you actually start demonstrating real info, not just talking about how much you have, most people will get the same impression I have.

I know that I’ve mentioned my brother before who has a PHD in Physical Therapy as well as various additional certifications of specialization. The guy has also won his class in bodybuilding shows. Ya know what? He’s humble enough to admit his knowledge base isn’t specific to bodybuilding, and he knows the human body inside and out. That’s why people respect him.

And for the record, when you misquote people, or even misattribute things they’ve said, you only make yourself look like more of an ass. I know you’ve said this to other people before, but I feel it’s actually appropriate here.

S[/quote]

Seriously, I don’t care in the least how humble you think I am. No “specifics” can be discussed when every post of mine elicits the same response.

I can not have a debate wit just you…it has to be with 10 other people all finding something different to fuss about.

If YOU want to speak of specifics then do so. Don’t sit there and pretend as if I can speak on much of anything lately without this.[/quote]
Click click click

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

Oh so a dentist will cover more phys than a physiology phd? Or. Biochem phd or a pharm student. Ok big guy
[/quote]

I mentioned human dissection for a reason. That isn’t knocking someone’s education…but actual physical knowledge of the insides of a human being and the treatment of that being and a PhD are not the same education at all and are not even comparable.[/quote]
To be fair, I worked with cadavers my freshman year as an exercise science major before I switched to mechanical engineering, so you’ll do need to clarify more on your experience with dissection.[/quote]

Yes, “working with cadavers” and Gross anatomy on a doctor’ level are the same?

We had to know where every major vein was and every part of internal anatomy on several different cadavers.

You did this?

We took Gross Anatomy with the med students. This wasn’t some undergrad course.[/quote]

Were you able to locate veins on black cadavers?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:
The way you constantly try to equate your DDS with a MD is just as insulting. Yet for some reason you don’t understand this.[/quote]

…wow…an actual MD just said otherwise.[/quote]
False.
A nameless faceless poster with 2 dozen posts just said otherwise.
Who knows if they’re an MD or not.

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[quote]PulsedEE wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

Oh so a dentist will cover more phys than a physiology phd? Or. Biochem phd or a pharm student. Ok big guy
[/quote]

I mentioned human dissection for a reason. That isn’t knocking someone’s education…but actual physical knowledge of the insides of a human being and the treatment of that being and a PhD are not the same education at all and are not even comparable.[/quote]
To be fair, I worked with cadavers my freshman year as an exercise science major before I switched to mechanical engineering, so you’ll do need to clarify more on your experience with dissection.[/quote]

Yes, “working with cadavers” and Gross anatomy on a doctor’ level are the same?

We had to know where every major vein was and every part of internal anatomy on several different cadavers.

You did this?

We took Gross Anatomy with the med students. This wasn’t some undergrad course.[/quote]

Were you able to locate veins on black cadavers?[/quote]
It’s almost impossible to see veins on black guys because of their skin coloring.
The good professor/doctor/surgeon/biologist/trainer already stated this.

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[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:
The way you constantly try to equate your DDS with a MD is just as insulting. Yet for some reason you don’t understand this.[/quote]

…wow…an actual MD just said otherwise.[/quote]
False.
A nameless faceless poster with 2 dozen posts just said otherwise.
Who knows if they’re an MD or not.[/quote]

Dear Lord…so you issue isn’t what is true at all…that my education WAS THE SAME AS YTHE MED STUDENTS through more than two years which covers anatomy, phys, gross, pharm and anything else the med school students learned.

That isn’t made up. It is why I can go directly into a medical residency program after dental school without going to med school.

Do you get it now?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:

The way you constantly try to equate your DDS with a MD is just as insulting. Yet for some reason you don’t understand this.[/quote]

…wow…an actual MD just said otherwise.[/quote]

Really, he said a DDS and MD are equal? I must have missed that part.

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[quote]gswork wrote:
So, naturals eh? Phew, know what I mean, capable and shit…[/quote]

Do you think naturals, real naturals, not the fake ones, are capable of posting in a thread about what naturals are truly capable of without said thread limiting the capabilities of naturals?

And on a side note what if that thread contains assisted people commenting with the naturals? Would the level of meathead camaraderie be enough to get them to overcome the elitist attitudes they have? If they can, would they bang fat chicks?

What if one of them worked out beside a guy who was 5’6" 220 natural with a 14" penis and a medical license? God, it boggles the mind with all the possibilities.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:
The way you constantly try to equate your DDS with a MD is just as insulting. Yet for some reason you don’t understand this.[/quote]

…wow…an actual MD just said otherwise.[/quote]
False.
A nameless faceless poster with 2 dozen posts just said otherwise.
Who knows if they’re an MD or not.[/quote]

Dear Lord…so you issue isn’t what is true at all…that my education WAS THE SAME AS YTHE MED STUDENTS through more than two years which covers anatomy, phys, gross, pharm and anything else the med school students learned.

That isn’t made up. It is why I can go directly into a medical residency program after dental school without going to med school.

Do you get it now?[/quote]

Do you get that the 3-6 years of residency for a M.D. after medical school also adds to their education and expertise?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:
The way you constantly try to equate your DDS with a MD is just as insulting. Yet for some reason you don’t understand this.[/quote]

…wow…an actual MD just said otherwise.[/quote]
False.
A nameless faceless poster with 2 dozen posts just said otherwise.
Who knows if they’re an MD or not.[/quote]

Dear Lord…so you issue isn’t what is true at all…that my education WAS THE SAME AS YTHE MED STUDENTS through more than two years which covers anatomy, phys, gross, pharm and anything else the med school students learned.

That isn’t made up. It is why I can go directly into a medical residency program after dental school without going to med school.

Do you get it now?[/quote]
I know how things work in dentist school.
I have a friends (husband and wife) who are both denti… I mean doctors, that have their own practice.
No one is acting like dentists don’t covere A&P or go in depth into the human body but it isn’t the same as an MD.
It’s a different job that requires different skill sets.
But go ahead and read into my post more and make up something that I’m unknowingly implying.
You’re not even making sense.
Take a deep breath, take a lap around your office and please try addressing what is actually written.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]setto222 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

I only stated that further clarification was necessary. Chill.

The checklist for the first exam included
…[/quote]

I am not sure why you posted this. Our very first exam was identifying the more than 500 different parts of anatomy of the human skull. It was more in depth than the list you threw up.

It seems difficult to admit that a doctor has more training in anatomy and phys than any undergrad student.

Why?[/quote]
Why is it so hard to clarify beyond a sentence? I was showing you what I wanted to see from you. Something that wasn’t vague.[/quote]

I just told you. It would take pages to list out what we covered on our first test.

[/quote]

Gonna have to agree with this.

Ex: I find this manual covers the back and thorax sort of well, however it barely prepares you for dissection:

And that’s not even all of the dry-lab from unit 1! You then have to cover (at least) osteology and surface anatomy. THEN you should be pretty well versed at pointing out all of these structures from a radiology stand-point.

How much of this info the average doc retains? Who knows. Lol I left medical school last year to come home (family junk) and I can barely remember my origins and insertions. [/quote]

Thank you.

His list would be like what we would cover in a short review before the real lesson.

We had 15 bodies out and we had to locate the vagus nerve…along with 300 other random parts of internal anatomy that most people haven’t heard of. That was a test.[/quote]
Getting a bit more specific. This is good.[/quote]

Let me get you to understand this…you don’t find what we covered on line easily. We literally had to take a skull home and learn ever fossa every name of every tubercle and every indention.
[/quote]
I’m certain you did. I’d certainly spend my summers doing the same if I had decided to pursue medical school.

[quote]
I don’t care to list out what we covered as frankly that was some of the most horrific schooling I have ever had.[/quote]
I didn’t ask for that much. I didn’t need to see an entire syllabus or checklist. I just wanted a brief synopsis.

I haven’t.

[quote]
Implying that you have is as insulting as it would be to a medical doctor…yet for some reason you don’t understand this.[/quote]
I didn’t do this.

I mentioned human dissection for a reason. That isn’t knocking someone’s education…but actual physical knowledge of the insides of a human being and the treatment of that being and a PhD are not the same education at all and are not even comparable.[/quote]
To be fair, I worked with cadavers my freshman year as an exercise science major before I switched to mechanical engineering, so you’ll do need to clarify more on your experience with dissection.[/quote]

This statement is not meant to demerit your experience or credentials nor to buff my own. You made a statement that I could also make without being dishonest. Obviously the anatomy and physiology covered in a professional school would be beyond that covered in the lab of a 2000 level course. I specifically asked for you to expound upon your experience for this reason as well as gaining further insight as to the content of your experience instead of just its label.

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[quote]super saiyan wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:
The way you constantly try to equate your DDS with a MD is just as insulting. Yet for some reason you don’t understand this.[/quote]

…wow…an actual MD just said otherwise.[/quote]
False.
A nameless faceless poster with 2 dozen posts just said otherwise.
Who knows if they’re an MD or not.[/quote]

Dear Lord…so you issue isn’t what is true at all…that my education WAS THE SAME AS YTHE MED STUDENTS through more than two years which covers anatomy, phys, gross, pharm and anything else the med school students learned.

That isn’t made up. It is why I can go directly into a medical residency program after dental school without going to med school.

Do you get it now?[/quote]

Do you get that the 3-6 years of residency for a M.D. after medical school also adds to their education and expertise? [/quote]
No way bro!
No way.
They go to the same school for MORE THAN TWO YEARS!!!
Samesies bro, samesies.

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[quote]gswork wrote:
So, naturals eh? Phew, know what I mean, capable and shit…[/quote]
too far gone, brah