What Is Truth?

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]steveo5801 wrote:

Pookie, you protest too much! I think that God has been after you and you have been “running” from Him.[/quote]

Gag.

The god who wishes that everyone without exception would be saved is NOT the God of the Bible. He is the god of those who hate the true and living God. He is a god who wishes and hopes that things will happen that actually do not happen, in contrast with the God of Holy Scripture who is the Creator and Controller of the universe. Whatever God desires He does.

But he [is] in one [mind], and who can turn him? and [what] his soul
desireth, even [that] he doeth. (Job 23:13)

But our God [is] in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased.
(Psalm 115:3)

For I know that the LORD [is] great, and [that] our Lord [is] above all
gods. Whatsoever the LORD pleased, [that] did he in heaven, and in earth, in the seas, and all deep places. (Psalm 135:5-6)

Remember the former things of old: for I [am] God, and [there is] none else;
[I am] God, and [there is] none like me, Declaring the end from the
beginning, and from ancient times [the things] that are not [yet] done,
saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: (Isaiah 46:9-10)

?And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou? (Daniel 4:35)

In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will (Ephesians 1:11).

Whoever believes in a god who wishes things would happen (like wishing that everyone without exception would be saved) but who does not and/or cannot do whatever he wishes, does not believe in the God of the Bible.

[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
You realize that something is missing in your life, don’t you. So it comes out in this pusedo-hostility to God and the Bible, but I think you really want to believe. You can you know…[/quote]

Again, I say gag.

What’s missing in pookie’s life is the same thing that is missing in your life steveo. And that is knowledge of the righeousness of God. The “righteousness of God” is manifested in the fact that the efficacious atonement of Christ demands and ensures the salvation of all whom He represented (Romans 5:18-19).

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After reading that, I’m starting to believe…

…I’m starting to believe that the myth that we use less than 10% of our brains is true in extol’s case. That might even be generous.

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[quote]sugarfree wrote:
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Gotta love Douglas Adams

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[quote]pookie wrote:
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Why not? I know all religions claim to be the “one true way” to God; but honestly, how can you know that God, if he exists, doesn’t have many ways to him? Isn’t it a bit presumptuous to claim to know God’s ways?
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Infinite paths to the same destination.

All ‘truths’ are based on a person’s ‘perception’ of them and that perception is directly affected by their ‘faith’ and ‘beliefs’…

…And their distance from The Two Mice.
(mathematics)

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[quote]pookie wrote:
After reading that, I’m starting to believe…

…I’m starting to believe that the myth that we use less than 10% of our brains is true in extol’s case. That might even be generous.
[/quote]

Thank you for that fine example of True Atheist Love. What a hypocrite.

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[quote]extol7extol wrote:
Thank you for that fine example of True Atheist Love. What a hypocrite.
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True Atheist Love? That’s pretty funny. Did you spend the whole week fuming over that little PM?

Just so we’re clear, I’ve never claimed to love you, and I don’t. At best, I respect your right to be a retarded dumbass who defines himself as the only True Christian in existence, but that’s as far as it goes. If you’re looking for an hypocrite, I suggest you look into the nearest mirror.

You’re the one who has to love me, remember? Jeebus commands you.

Start loving, you cheekturner.

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I haven’t read all the posts in this thread, but I’ll share my personal opinion on the question.

I think truth is different from morality. Truth is objective reality. It has nothing to do with our perceptions, values, or the meaning we ascribe to reality.

I believe that science is the best tool we have for comprehending truth. It is imperfect, but it is better than anything else when it comes to understanding objective reality.

A great book for anyone interested in knowing how to differentiate between subjective and objective reality is “Demon-Haunted World”, by Carl Sagan.

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[quote]forlife wrote:
I haven’t read all the posts in this thread, but I’ll share my personal opinion on the question.

I think truth is different from morality. Truth is objective reality. It has nothing to do with our perceptions, values, or the meaning we ascribe to reality.

I believe that science is the best tool we have for comprehending truth. It is imperfect, but it is better than anything else when it comes to understanding objective reality.

A great book for anyone interested in knowing how to differentiate between subjective and objective reality is “Demon-Haunted World”, by Carl Sagan.[/quote]

What does science says about issues such as morality, ethics, justice, human rights?

Those are the kind of truths I thought this thread was supposed to discuss. Well, before it went to Hell that is.

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[quote]pookie wrote:
What does science says about issues such as morality, ethics, justice, human rights?

Those are the kind of truths I thought this thread was supposed to discuss. Well, before it went to Hell that is.
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I don’t believe that morality, ethics, justice, and human rights are properly called “truth”. Rather, they are the implications for human behavior that are generated by truth.

It is the job of science to help us understand truth. It is the job of religion/philosophy/ethics to help us understand how to live our lives according to that truth.

We only get into dangerous territory when people use the wrong tool to accomplish their purpose. Science shouldn’t be used to define morality. Similarly, religion shouldn’t be used to define objective reality.

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[/quote]
What does science says about issues such as morality, ethics, justice, human rights?

Those are the kind of truths I thought this thread was supposed to discuss. Well, before it went to Hell that is.
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Science can only tell us “what is.” It does not prescribe “What ought to be.”

jpb

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[quote]jpb wrote:
Science can only tell us “what is.” It does not prescribe “What ought to be.”[/quote]

^^^ what I was trying to say, but right to the point :slight_smile: