What is the True Religion?

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[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]pegasus3 wrote:
Right so it was trap. An all powerful god would surely have known they would fail at the test. Why put the talking snake there? To really, really test them? This stuff cannot be believed.

A god that sets tests, knowing you will most likely fail, cannot be loving.

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There you go sufiandy that’s the type of religious bigotry that you’re getting to be known for here at T Nation.

Way to have an open mind.

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How does that picture imply intolerance to religion?[/quote]

Just substitute a random visual joke about African Americans and you’ll quickly how horribly intolerant that it is.

But that’s what you do. You hate religion don’t run from that premise, embrace it. You hate religion and every chance you get to mock or belittle it you do.

You’re a religious bigot.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:<<< Yeah Trib why do we have to make such a big deal about the God of the Universe sending his one and only son to earth to suffer and die for our sins?

Oh wait…[/quote]Well hold on now Zeb. I get the impression that he really has never been presented with the gospel and is actually asking. Funny thing is every single word I typed used to be the prevailing view of his beloved UK. My very own Westminster Calvinism was codified right there in… of all places Westminster =D Towering champions of the faith were spawned from Great Britain such as the “prince of preachers” Charles Haddon Spurgeon and John Gill as well as Benjamin Keach and John Rippon all three of whom preceded Spurgeon as Pastors of the Metropolitan Tabernacle in London. That’s just a small sampling of the Englishmen who would have owned the word I preach as theirs. To say nothing of the Scotch and Irish.

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[quote]pegasus3 wrote:<<< No yawning here. I’m riveted, although perhaps for all the wrong reasons. I have never in my life encountered the religious beliefs that you possess. This is not a cheap shot or whatever. I just haven’t. God must hate the UK! >>>[/quote]See my post to ZEB. The UK was once the comfy home of every single thing I believe.[quote]pegasus3 wrote:<<< Why does there need to be a sacrifice then? You may have already said this, but I couldn’t pick it up… Why make everything about Jesus? Why does there need to be a cross of Christ[/quote]For now see here please http://www.pbministries.org/books/gill/gills_archive.htm#1 The great British theologian John Gill. Pick anything. Here’s a good piece of his: http://www.pbministries.org/books/gill/Sermons&Tracts/sermon_16.htm That IS Christianity my friend. Not the nauseating pablum served up as the Word of almighty God today.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]pegasus3 wrote:
Right so it was trap. An all powerful god would surely have known they would fail at the test. Why put the talking snake there? To really, really test them? This stuff cannot be believed.

A god that sets tests, knowing you will most likely fail, cannot be loving.

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There you go sufiandy that’s the type of religious bigotry that you’re getting to be known for here at T Nation.

Way to have an open mind.

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How does that picture imply intolerance to religion?[/quote]

Just substitute a random visual joke about African Americans and you’ll quickly how horribly intolerant that it is.

But that’s what you do. You hate religion don’t run from that premise, embrace it. You hate religion and every chance you get to mock or belittle it you do.

You’re a religious bigot.

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It’s a belief not the color of skin you are born with, so there is a difference. Are you offended the same way by political cartoons?

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So Zeb is arguing that a choice in religious matters should be respected, as much as attributes you could not possibly change, unless you are the King of Pop of course.

That is utterly fascinating.

In which areas could that possibly not apply according to him…

Nope, nothing comes to mind…

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Why would have eating fruit from the “Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil” made Adam and Eve recognize and be ashamed of their nakedness?

Nudity in the jungle is evil?

Our loving God has some really tough standards.

Let us just forget his jealous streak altogether.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Why would have eating fruit from the “Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil” made Adam and Eve recognize and be ashamed of their nakedness?

Nudity in the jungle is evil?

Our loving God has some really tough standards.

Let us just forget his jealous streak altogether.[/quote]

Lol. No, nudity is not evil.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

Second, what seems to be your understanding of this verse is at based on eisegesis rather than exegesis.

“the man and his wife were both naked, and were not ashamed” Gen 2:25

What’s happening is that because you nor I understand this original nakedness from experience we make assumptions that they should have been ashamed, but were just dumb and didn’t know that they were supposed to be ashamed. This is not the case, there was no reason for anyone to be ashamed to be naked. The reason: love.

There was no objectification of persons. The result of eating the fruit is that they died. The spirit of God left them, and they were dead in sin and could no longer love perfectly. For the first time persons objectified each other. Just as a woman would almost instinctively cover themselves if a strange man came in when she was not decent, because he does not love her. Adam and Eve felt this for the first time. They felt objectified, and shame – a form of self-defense against being treated as an object for sexual use. [/quote]

BC, how is all this NOT eisegesis? The Spirit of God left them? Where does it say that? Where does it even hint that they started “objectifying each other?” I know that is part of some popular Catholic sexual rhetoric, but where is THAT in the text? And SHAME wasn’t the same thing in an ancient Near Eastern context as embarrassment.

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[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]pegasus3 wrote:
Right so it was trap. An all powerful god would surely have known they would fail at the test. Why put the talking snake there? To really, really test them? This stuff cannot be believed.

A god that sets tests, knowing you will most likely fail, cannot be loving.

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There you go sufiandy that’s the type of religious bigotry that you’re getting to be known for here at T Nation.

Way to have an open mind.

[/quote]

How does that picture imply intolerance to religion?[/quote]

Just substitute a random visual joke about African Americans and you’ll quickly how horribly intolerant that it is.

But that’s what you do. You hate religion don’t run from that premise, embrace it. You hate religion and every chance you get to mock or belittle it you do.

You’re a religious bigot.

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It’s a belief not the color of skin you are born with, so there is a difference. Are you offended the same way by political cartoons?[/quote]

That means that you can be bigoted about a myriad of things as long as they are not genetic?

You sure you want to hold that position?

Because if you do I am about to turn your PC liberal world upside down.

Let me know.

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[quote]pat wrote:
The real one is relative? That means you can justify anything.[/quote]

No, it means that morality is an evolving and changing social contract of what a great majority of people find acceptable for living together in society.

Just as slavery once was accepted, it’s not anymore; mixed race marriages where illegal, they aren’t anymore. Gay marriage is currently becoming accepted the world over, in 50 years, the bigots opposing it will be seen like slavers and racists are today.

I can’t believe people read the Bible and find it moral at all.

Er, I don’t.

No, that’s how we know that you don’t understand morality very well because you’ve given it very little thought. You just obey rules that were given to you, like a good child.

Who said anything about your sex life?

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[quote]KingKai25 wrote:
And SHAME wasn’t the same thing in an ancient Near Eastern context as embarrassment. [/quote]

Never said embarrassment. But, why would you think I was referring to embarrassment?

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[quote]pat wrote:
Mmmhmmm, I am not talking about little bits and pieces. I am talking about the whole thing. And no you didn’t. Maybe you read the first 2 chapters of Genesis, but not the whole thing.[/quote]

I skipped that part where it’s only a ridiculously long list of names… the rest I read.

God holds zero meaning, but his followers have impact on my life, so that’s where the interest is.

Glad we agree. Hope you understand I won’t be wasting anymore time with you…

Doesn’t take much to get a christian to show his true colors.

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[quote]KingKai25 wrote:
BC, how is all this NOT eisegesis?[/quote]

Because it’s not my personal interpretation of the Bible?

Yes.

Eve admits it that if they eat the fruit they will die. They ate the fruit. They died. How was Adam given life? That’s right, God breathed, which is the Holy Ghost, into his nostrils.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
That would not be an ipso facto impossibility because God has already conveyed through the revelation of His written Word that the new covenant redemptive church age does NOT include such things EVER.[/quote]

Are you saying God cannot change his mind?

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[quote]squating_bear wrote:
How about His Holiness and Wisdom go far beyond your imagination / comprehension[/quote]

That’s the old “God works in mysterious ways” dodge. You’re conceding you can’t make sense of your God’s action and instead of concluding that it’s just a badly written make believe story, you turn your brain off and give up thinking so that your faith can remain.

Sad, really.

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[quote]pookie wrote:
pat wrote:

And predetermined you to hell before you were born… Don’t worry, according to him, I will be holding the door open for you and slapping your ass with pitch fork as you are walking through.

Doesn’t take much to get a christian to show his true colors.
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I always enjoy the part in these religious threads where the atheist goads a Christian and then when the Christian throws a little jibe back the stand pat answer comes…“It doesn’t take much to get a Christian to show his true colors…bla bla bla…”

Sheesh pookie while blind toward God I always thought you were at least clever - Get another script. You’re using insults from the 90’s.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]pegasus3 wrote:
Right so it was trap. An all powerful god would surely have known they would fail at the test. Why put the talking snake there? To really, really test them? This stuff cannot be believed.

A god that sets tests, knowing you will most likely fail, cannot be loving.

[/quote]
[/quote]

There you go sufiandy that’s the type of religious bigotry that you’re getting to be known for here at T Nation.

Way to have an open mind.

[/quote]

How does that picture imply intolerance to religion?[/quote]

Just substitute a random visual joke about African Americans and you’ll quickly how horribly intolerant that it is.

But that’s what you do. You hate religion don’t run from that premise, embrace it. You hate religion and every chance you get to mock or belittle it you do.

You’re a religious bigot.

[/quote]

It’s a belief not the color of skin you are born with, so there is a difference. Are you offended the same way by political cartoons?[/quote]

That means that you can be bigoted about a myriad of things as long as they are not genetic?

You sure you want to hold that position?

Because if you do I am about to turn your PC liberal world upside down.

Let me know.

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Well if more people complain I can stop.

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[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]pegasus3 wrote:
Right so it was trap. An all powerful god would surely have known they would fail at the test. Why put the talking snake there? To really, really test them? This stuff cannot be believed.

A god that sets tests, knowing you will most likely fail, cannot be loving.

[/quote]
[/quote]

There you go sufiandy that’s the type of religious bigotry that you’re getting to be known for here at T Nation.

Way to have an open mind.

[/quote]

How does that picture imply intolerance to religion?[/quote]

Just substitute a random visual joke about African Americans and you’ll quickly how horribly intolerant that it is.

But that’s what you do. You hate religion don’t run from that premise, embrace it. You hate religion and every chance you get to mock or belittle it you do.

You’re a religious bigot.

[/quote]

It’s a belief not the color of skin you are born with, so there is a difference. Are you offended the same way by political cartoons?[/quote]

That means that you can be bigoted about a myriad of things as long as they are not genetic?

You sure you want to hold that position?

Because if you do I am about to turn your PC liberal world upside down.

Let me know.

[/quote]

Well if more people complain I can stop.
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Two things:

  1. You made a claim that it was fine to be bigoted about things as long as they were about beliefs and not genetic. Are you now going to back that claim up or abandon it?

  2. You would only stop posting your religious bigotry if others complained? You wouldn’t stop knowing that it is just flat out offensive?

You remind me of a Southern white in the deep south in the 1950’s.

“i was jus funnin’ plain roun with that black fella…”

You’re a bigot plain and simple.

If you want to live your life that way that is certainly up to you. But know this, there is nothing cool about making fun of someone’s religious beliefs. I know idiots like Jon Stewart and other’s do it. But that doesn’t make it right.

Think about it.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]pegasus3 wrote:
Right so it was trap. An all powerful god would surely have known they would fail at the test. Why put the talking snake there? To really, really test them? This stuff cannot be believed.

A god that sets tests, knowing you will most likely fail, cannot be loving.

[/quote]
[/quote]

There you go sufiandy that’s the type of religious bigotry that you’re getting to be known for here at T Nation.

Way to have an open mind.

[/quote]

How does that picture imply intolerance to religion?[/quote]

Just substitute a random visual joke about African Americans and you’ll quickly how horribly intolerant that it is.

But that’s what you do. You hate religion don’t run from that premise, embrace it. You hate religion and every chance you get to mock or belittle it you do.

You’re a religious bigot.

[/quote]

It’s a belief not the color of skin you are born with, so there is a difference. Are you offended the same way by political cartoons?[/quote]

That means that you can be bigoted about a myriad of things as long as they are not genetic?

You sure you want to hold that position?

Because if you do I am about to turn your PC liberal world upside down.

Let me know.

[/quote]

Well if more people complain I can stop.
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Two things:

  1. You made a claim that it was fine to be bigoted about things as long as they were about beliefs and not genetic. Are you now going to back that claim up or abandon it?

  2. You would only stop posting your religious bigotry if others complained? You wouldn’t stop knowing that it is just flat out offensive?

You remind me of a Southern white in the deep south in the 1950’s.

“i was jus funnin’ plain roun with that black fella…”

You’re a bigot plain and simple.

If you want to live your life that way that is certainly up to you. But know this, there is nothing cool about making fun of someone’s religious beliefs. I know idiots like Jon Stewart and other’s do it. But that doesn’t make it right.

Think about it.

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It’s just hard to take you seriously when I posted a meme of jesus with a caption saying he came to earth because the first humans sinned and you’ve now twice compared it to racism.

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[quote]pookie wrote:

[quote]squating_bear wrote:
How about His Holiness and Wisdom go far beyond your imagination / comprehension[/quote]

That’s the old “God works in mysterious ways” dodge. You’re conceding you can’t make sense of your God’s action and instead of concluding that it’s just a badly written make believe story, you turn your brain off and give up thinking so that your faith can remain.

Sad, really.[/quote]
I’m not dodging shit. You tried to go within the story in order to disprove the story. It didn’t work

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You’re conceding you can’t make sense of your God’s action and instead of concluding that it’s just a badly written make believe story[/quote]
I’m not “conceding” nothing. Make believe or not - that is the story