[quote]jsbrook wrote:
LightsOutLuthor wrote:
c22002 wrote:
it is not environmentally feasible and the majority of people could not afford to do it. people with not as much money tend to eat carbs and lots of them because bread is cheap and meat and vegetables are not.
And I guess that’s another point I was trying to make…most of the WORLD doesn’t need to worry about eating a ‘low carb as the US sees it’ diet because they’re not munching on honey buns made with enriched white flour and coated with high fructose corn syrup. They’re eating REAL grains and REAL vegetables that PROBABLY aren’t coated in pesticides and things like that.
And they’re not obese like us.
Most of the DEVELOPED world eats processed junk like most Americans. Not everwhere, but increasingly so these days. Most of the UNDERDEVELOPED world is starving.[/quote]
So you agree that they’re not obese.
At Poliquin’s bio-sig seminar in Toronto a few months ago Charles commented that if everyone ate organic food it would run out in 5 or 6 days.
I think most of us are lucky to have been born in affluent parts of the world were we can talk about bulking, cutting and eating too much meat and not have to talk about malaria and starvation.
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
sen say wrote:
LiftSmart wrote:
EDIT: Or if industry became involved, huge meat farms would sprout up everywhere and the quality of the meat would likely decrease.
Are you joking here?
Here is where we currently grow our meat. [/quote]
Beautiful.
Im jealous 
[quote]LightsOutLuthor wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
LightsOutLuthor wrote:
c22002 wrote:
it is not environmentally feasible and the majority of people could not afford to do it. people with not as much money tend to eat carbs and lots of them because bread is cheap and meat and vegetables are not.
And I guess that’s another point I was trying to make…most of the WORLD doesn’t need to worry about eating a ‘low carb as the US sees it’ diet because they’re not munching on honey buns made with enriched white flour and coated with high fructose corn syrup. They’re eating REAL grains and REAL vegetables that PROBABLY aren’t coated in pesticides and things like that.
And they’re not obese like us.
Most of the DEVELOPED world eats processed junk like most Americans. Not everwhere, but increasingly so these days. Most of the UNDERDEVELOPED world is starving.
So you agree that they’re not obese.[/quote]
Who? The starving people? Yeah. Europe and Australia and other developed countries are increasingly adopting the American diet and becoming increasingly obese as a result.
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
LightsOutLuthor wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
LightsOutLuthor wrote:
c22002 wrote:
it is not environmentally feasible and the majority of people could not afford to do it. people with not as much money tend to eat carbs and lots of them because bread is cheap and meat and vegetables are not.
And I guess that’s another point I was trying to make…most of the WORLD doesn’t need to worry about eating a ‘low carb as the US sees it’ diet because they’re not munching on honey buns made with enriched white flour and coated with high fructose corn syrup. They’re eating REAL grains and REAL vegetables that PROBABLY aren’t coated in pesticides and things like that.
And they’re not obese like us.
Most of the DEVELOPED world eats processed junk like most Americans. Not everwhere, but increasingly so these days. Most of the UNDERDEVELOPED world is starving.
So you agree that they’re not obese.
Who? The starving people? Yeah. Europe and Australia and other developed countries are increasingly adopting the American diet and becoming increasingly obese as a result.[/quote]
Yes, I meant the starving people aren’t obese. IT was a JOKE…
[quote]LightsOutLuthor wrote:
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Yes, I meant the starving people aren’t obese. IT was a JOKE…[/quote]
I dunno. Those Ethiopian kids always have big bellies.
[quote]905Patrick wrote:
At Poliquin’s bio-sig seminar in Toronto a few months ago Charles commented that if everyone ate organic food it would run out in 5 or 6 days.[/quote]
But if over the span of 10-20 years consumers converted to organic foods, farms would change to organic methods and the supply of organic food would increase.
Factory farm operations would find a way to bring their product up to organic quality standards.
I mean if tomorrow everyone switched from IBM/PCs to MACs we would run out in 5 or 6 days.
– ElbowStrike
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
LightsOutLuthor wrote:
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Yes, I meant the starving people aren’t obese. IT was a JOKE…
I dunno. Those Ethiopian kids always have big bellies.[/quote]
They’re stupidly trying to bulk up because they can’t handle a good clean weight gain - they need to V diet.
My dinner.
I’m volunteering to shoulder the heavy burden of eating as much meat as I can so others don’t have to have the guilt of ruining the earth by supporting cattle ranching.
Oh, it will be tough I know, but I’m up for the task. The selection, the marinating, the grilling— OH THE TERRIBLE TERRIBLE BURDEN… The protein, the taste, ALL…THE…CHEWING…AND…SAVORING…
Fear not you globally conscious stewards of Mother Earth!— I will try to eat as much meat as I can so others don’t have to…
Alas…
What do you think would happen to the economy if the world stopped eating processed crap and ate strictly real natural foods.
By natural foods I’m talkin:
Meats, vegtables and fruits, REAL butter, oils, nuts and seeds.
I don’t know much about economics but would the demand for this sort of stuff reduce prices?
Also, would it also make the government stop encouraging farmers to grow all that damn corn that is made into HFCS and corn syrup and all of the nasty cheap sugars put into processed foods?
I’m pretty sure one of the reasons most people eat the way they do is simply the price of crap is much cheaper than fresh produce. If the population refused to buy it (which would probably never ever happen) maybe the majority of people wouldnt be so friggen obese and whole families could afford to live healthy lifestyles. (assuming ofcourse they’d want to)
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
My dinner.
I’m volunteering to shoulder the heavy burden of eating as much meat as I can so others don’t have to have the guilt of ruining the earth by supporting cattle ranching.
Oh, it will be tough I know, but I’m up for the task. The selection, the marinating, the grilling— OH THE TERRIBLE TERRIBLE BURDEN… The protein, the taste, ALL…THE…CHEWING…AND…SAVORING…
Fear not you globally conscious stewards of Mother Earth!— I will try to eat as much meat as I can so others don’t have to…
Alas…[/quote]
That steak looks mouth watering, but it needs another couple minutes on the grill. Medium all the way baby!!
[quote]Pootie Tang wrote:
SteelyD wrote:
My dinner.
I’m volunteering to shoulder the heavy burden of eating as much meat as I can so others don’t have to have the guilt of ruining the earth by supporting cattle ranching.
Oh, it will be tough I know, but I’m up for the task. The selection, the marinating, the grilling— OH THE TERRIBLE TERRIBLE BURDEN… The protein, the taste, ALL…THE…CHEWING…AND…SAVORING…
Fear not you globally conscious stewards of Mother Earth!— I will try to eat as much meat as I can so others don’t have to…
Alas…
That steak looks mouth watering, but it needs another couple minutes on the grill. Medium all the way baby!!
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No way. Sitting in that pool of blood is perfect. But I’m chronically iron deficient so I get it where I can.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
LightsOutLuthor wrote:
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Yes, I meant the starving people aren’t obese. IT was a JOKE…
I dunno. Those Ethiopian kids always have big bellies.[/quote]
True. Maybe it’s too much HGH
[quote]mthomps wrote:
What do you think would happen to the economy if the world stopped eating processed crap and ate strictly real natural foods.
By natural foods I’m talkin:
Meats, vegtables and fruits, REAL butter, oils, nuts and seeds.
I don’t know much about economics but would the demand for this sort of stuff reduce prices?
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If everyone converted away from a grain based diet, a shitload more farmland would be needed in order to feed everyone. More forest would need to be cleared.
It would also require much more energy, as producing grain is much more energy efficient than producing meat, fruit and veg.
The increased demand would also lead to higher prices initially.
[quote]ElbowStrike wrote:
905Patrick wrote:
At Poliquin’s bio-sig seminar in Toronto a few months ago Charles commented that if everyone ate organic food it would run out in 5 or 6 days.
But if over the span of 10-20 years consumers converted to organic foods, farms would change to organic methods and the supply of organic food would increase.
Factory farm operations would find a way to bring their product up to organic quality standards.
I mean if tomorrow everyone switched from IBM/PCs to MACs we would run out in 5 or 6 days.
– ElbowStrike[/quote]
It is a bit more complicated than computer production, as agricultural land is a finite resource.
Organic production results in much lower yields, so a heap of extra farmland would be needed. Growing 50000 healthy broccoli plants in one hectare of land is not a natural state of affairs, so synthetic chemicals are required to fight against natural processes.
It would not be possible to feed the worlds population with organic produce. I don’t think it would even be feasible for the Western world to be consuming only organic food.
[quote]Regular Gonzalez wrote:
ElbowStrike wrote:
905Patrick wrote:
At Poliquin’s bio-sig seminar in Toronto a few months ago Charles commented that if everyone ate organic food it would run out in 5 or 6 days.
But if over the span of 10-20 years consumers converted to organic foods, farms would change to organic methods and the supply of organic food would increase.
Factory farm operations would find a way to bring their product up to organic quality standards.
I mean if tomorrow everyone switched from IBM/PCs to MACs we would run out in 5 or 6 days.
– ElbowStrike
It is a bit more complicated than computer production, as agricultural land is a finite resource.
Organic production results in much lower yields, so a heap of extra farmland would be needed. Growing 50000 healthy broccoli plants in one hectare of land is not a natural state of affairs, so synthetic chemicals are required to fight against natural processes.
It would not be possible to feed the worlds population with organic produce. I don’t think it would even be feasible for the Western world to be consuming only organic food.
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These points are exactly right.
[quote]Regular Gonzalez wrote:
If everyone converted away from a grain based diet, a shitload more farmland would be needed in order to feed everyone. More forest would need to be cleared.
It would also require much more energy, as producing grain is much more energy efficient than producing meat, fruit and veg.
The increased demand would also lead to higher prices initially.
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Not if we use soccer players and lawyers as our primary source of protein.
Starving Ethiopians, Sudanians, etc has more to do with Political strife and human subjugation than with fertile lands.
re: Not enough farmland to produce grain for feed? You absolutely can’t be serious. If you’re a US taxpayer, lots of your tax dollars goes to pay farmers not to produce grain.
I have a friend who raises young cattle for sale in NM and a portion of his land is federal lease. He’s not allowed to pull the ‘greasebush’ (creosote) where he could be growing grass for feed. Historically, central NM was described as a grassland. Federal regulation now ensures that it remains barren.
[quote]Yo Momma wrote:
Regular Gonzalez wrote:
If everyone converted away from a grain based diet, a shitload more farmland would be needed in order to feed everyone. More forest would need to be cleared.
It would also require much more energy, as producing grain is much more energy efficient than producing meat, fruit and veg.
The increased demand would also lead to higher prices initially.
Not if we use soccer players and lawyers as our primary source of protein.
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We would starve for sure.
[quote]Yo Momma wrote:
Not if we use soccer players and lawyers as our primary source of protein.
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I find that soccer players are a bit gamey and that lawyers are unpalatable in the way 2 week old Mackerel is.
Now golfers… Mmmmmm, grass walked goodness. Also, bowlers are nice and marbled and have a subtle smokey ‘beer’ flavor.