Who has seen it and what are your thoughts on whats happening on this quiet front in American Law and Food Production?
Ive seen it and i am disgusted about how freaking bad they threat the animals
But what i find mostly disturbing is the fact that one half of a beef is medicine for the other half !!
thats fucked up !
Not to mention it’s all fed to us without our knowledge. Beef rinsed with Ammonia as standard industry practice to cover E coli bacteria. Too much to mention here. Even the laws against exposing them, photographing their operations is restricted too.
I have a different perspective, I grew up on dairy, produce and beef farms. Until I got into highschool my father was a production manager for a number of farms along the east coast. Also brougth up around dog breeders. I also work in biologics.
I see animals as product or possession bred for a specific purpose, whether it is food, to produce offsrping or even with specific knock out genetics to test drugs. They were specifically brought into existence for that purpose.
I order to produce beef or milk a farm has to be inspected by the USDA and be compliant with their regulations. If you don’t like it, find a farm that you do like, it is your choice. There are plenty of organic farms, grass fed beef farms adn such that go out of their way to satisfy the so called natural organics crowd.
I also worked in a slaughterhouse when I was younger, friend of the family ran it. And we never rinsed our meat wih ammonia.
So I have one question for you, have you ever experienced this first hand or is it in some persons blog who is against cattle and farming? Is this isolated incidence, do you know beyond a doubt these are industry standard? My main question what is your source for this information?
[quote]apbt55 wrote:
I have a different perspective, I grew up on dairy, produce and beef farms. Until I got into highschool my father was a production manager for a number of farms along the east coast. Also brougth up around dog breeders. I also work in biologics.
I see animals as product or possession bred for a specific purpose, whether it is food, to produce offsrping or even with specific knock out genetics to test drugs. They were specifically brought into existence for that purpose.
I order to produce beef or milk a farm has to be inspected by the USDA and be compliant with their regulations. If you don’t like it, find a farm that you do like, it is your choice. There are plenty of organic farms, grass fed beef farms adn such that go out of their way to satisfy the so called natural organics crowd.
I also worked in a slaughterhouse when I was younger, friend of the family ran it. And we never rinsed our meat wih ammonia.
So I have one question for you, have you ever experienced this first hand or is it in some persons blog who is against cattle and farming? Is this isolated incidence, do you know beyond a doubt these are industry standard? My main question what is your source for this information?
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This is something I happen to know a lot about and I hope you take the time to read this post. You’re right to say there are all different kinds of farming methods. However, the predominate methods for raising and preparing cattle, making dairy products and growing crops produce poor products. The conventional farming methods are also unsustainable and eventually will have to be changed. For instance, large farms don’t care about soil regeneration and will destroy the soil in one area before moving to the next. This pattern leaves acres of wasteland and deforestation in the southern hemisphere.
Most of Americas health problems can be attributed to problems with our nutrition. We eat a lot of beef in this country, and the beef we eat comes from unhealthy animals being fed grain instead of natural grass. This causes them to be sick and overweight, making the fat content of their meat 4 times higher than free range grass fed beef. It’s no wonder that American’s have such problems with obesity. We also have very high morbidity rates in this country, something that could be helped by better nutrition from our fruits and veggies. If we switched to sustainable/organic practices for growing crops we would get more antioxidants in each serving of fruits and vegetables and decrease cases of flu and other illnesses.
As for the USDA regulations, they are a pathetic example of what should be acceptable. The atrocities in the food industry go far beyond the quality of the products they produce. For instance they do not treat raise their animals in a moral way, they feed them steroids and growth hormones to make them grow faster, and give them antibiotics by the truck load because they wallow in their own feces. Actually they are fed their own feces and often other dead cows. Again, organic and sustainable methods don’t do this and the results are clear. I could go on, but I think you get the idea.
Here’s a study comparing the antioxidant properties of conventionally grown, organic and sustainable crops. The results are very clear.
http://mitchell.ucdavis.edu/publications/OrgConAEM.pdf
[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:
apbt55 wrote:
I have a different perspective, I grew up on dairy, produce and beef farms. Until I got into highschool my father was a production manager for a number of farms along the east coast. Also brougth up around dog breeders. I also work in biologics.
I see animals as product or possession bred for a specific purpose, whether it is food, to produce offsrping or even with specific knock out genetics to test drugs. They were specifically brought into existence for that purpose.
I order to produce beef or milk a farm has to be inspected by the USDA and be compliant with their regulations. If you don’t like it, find a farm that you do like, it is your choice. There are plenty of organic farms, grass fed beef farms adn such that go out of their way to satisfy the so called natural organics crowd.
I also worked in a slaughterhouse when I was younger, friend of the family ran it. And we never rinsed our meat wih ammonia.
So I have one question for you, have you ever experienced this first hand or is it in some persons blog who is against cattle and farming? Is this isolated incidence, do you know beyond a doubt these are industry standard? My main question what is your source for this information?
This is something I happen to know a lot about and I hope you take the time to read this post. You’re right to say there are all different kinds of farming methods. However, the predominate methods for raising and preparing cattle, making dairy products and growing crops produce poor products. The conventional farming methods are also unsustainable and eventually will have to be changed. For instance, large farms don’t care about soil regeneration and will destroy the soil in one area before moving to the next. This pattern leaves acres of wasteland and deforestation in the southern hemisphere.
Most of Americas health problems can be attributed to problems with our nutrition. We eat a lot of beef in this country, and the beef we eat comes from unhealthy animals being fed grain instead of natural grass. This causes them to be sick and overweight, making the fat content of their meat 4 times higher than free range grass fed beef. It’s no wonder that American’s have such problems with obesity. We also have very high morbidity rates in this country, something that could be helped by better nutrition from our fruits and veggies. If we switched to sustainable/organic practices for growing crops we would get more antioxidants in each serving of fruits and vegetables and decrease cases of flu and other illnesses.
As for the USDA regulations, they are a pathetic example of what should be acceptable. The atrocities in the food industry go far beyond the quality of the products they produce. For instance they do not treat raise their animals in a moral way, they feed them steroids and growth hormones to make them grow faster, and give them antibiotics by the truck load because they wallow in their own feces. Actually they are fed their own feces and often other dead cows. Again, organic and sustainable methods don’t do this and the results are clear. I could go on, but I think you get the idea.
Here’s a study comparing the antioxidant properties of conventionally grown, organic and sustainable crops. The results are very clear.
http://mitchell.ucdavis.edu/publications/OrgConAEM.pdf[/quote]
I guess it is hard for me to draw parallels, most of the farms I were on, were grass fed cattle, even the milking hefers, my father set up circulating paducks used special grasses including alfalfa.
I work in the vaccine industry, have a good job, but I would love to have the money to start up a cattle farm before my father goes, he has a great understanding of how to cycle everything. I know people would say I am nutty for thinking that way. Leave a nice job with benefits and vacation, but I miss it.
I completely agree people don’t worry enough about what they eat, then they supplement with vitamins and other supplements and think they are staying healthy the natural way. What freaking joke.
My post was primarily the fact that it is a business and people have a right to run a business as they wish, I know this is no longer a case in this “free” country. If you treat your cattle like crap don’t feed them right, you will have subpar product. But most people don’t know the difference so it doesn’t matter to them, man I got 10lbs of steak at walamrt for 5 bucks.
But then again most farms are subsidized and should be at the scrutiny of the public, it is their money funding it.
A smart farmer would raise organic cattle and upon slaughter do clean bleeds for serum to fractionate out albumin and IGG for use in the science industry, Then also harvest the ligaments tendons cartilige of articular joints, marrow. aseptic process and sell to the bio and supplement industry. Heck you can even use the derma under the hide for the medical industry if you wish to go that far. But that takes more work and onsite slaughter, which if means good segregation of processes.
Every industry supported by the government inevitably becomes disfunctional. Because people start to live up to mediocare at best standard and quick turnaround, tons of innefficiencie.
I would say the problems most of you are concerned about come at the “farm factories” not necessarily well maintained family type farms and ranches.
[quote]apbt55 wrote:
Schlenkatank wrote:
apbt55 wrote:
I have a different perspective, I grew up on dairy, produce and beef farms. Until I got into highschool my father was a production manager for a number of farms along the east coast. Also brougth up around dog breeders. I also work in biologics.
I see animals as product or possession bred for a specific purpose, whether it is food, to produce offsrping or even with specific knock out genetics to test drugs. They were specifically brought into existence for that purpose.
I order to produce beef or milk a farm has to be inspected by the USDA and be compliant with their regulations. If you don’t like it, find a farm that you do like, it is your choice. There are plenty of organic farms, grass fed beef farms adn such that go out of their way to satisfy the so called natural organics crowd.
I also worked in a slaughterhouse when I was younger, friend of the family ran it. And we never rinsed our meat wih ammonia.
So I have one question for you, have you ever experienced this first hand or is it in some persons blog who is against cattle and farming? Is this isolated incidence, do you know beyond a doubt these are industry standard? My main question what is your source for this information?
This is something I happen to know a lot about and I hope you take the time to read this post. You’re right to say there are all different kinds of farming methods. However, the predominate methods for raising and preparing cattle, making dairy products and growing crops produce poor products. The conventional farming methods are also unsustainable and eventually will have to be changed. For instance, large farms don’t care about soil regeneration and will destroy the soil in one area before moving to the next. This pattern leaves acres of wasteland and deforestation in the southern hemisphere.
Most of Americas health problems can be attributed to problems with our nutrition. We eat a lot of beef in this country, and the beef we eat comes from unhealthy animals being fed grain instead of natural grass. This causes them to be sick and overweight, making the fat content of their meat 4 times higher than free range grass fed beef. It’s no wonder that American’s have such problems with obesity. We also have very high morbidity rates in this country, something that could be helped by better nutrition from our fruits and veggies. If we switched to sustainable/organic practices for growing crops we would get more antioxidants in each serving of fruits and vegetables and decrease cases of flu and other illnesses.
As for the USDA regulations, they are a pathetic example of what should be acceptable. The atrocities in the food industry go far beyond the quality of the products they produce. For instance they do not treat raise their animals in a moral way, they feed them steroids and growth hormones to make them grow faster, and give them antibiotics by the truck load because they wallow in their own feces. Actually they are fed their own feces and often other dead cows. Again, organic and sustainable methods don’t do this and the results are clear. I could go on, but I think you get the idea.
Here’s a study comparing the antioxidant properties of conventionally grown, organic and sustainable crops. The results are very clear.
http://mitchell.ucdavis.edu/publications/OrgConAEM.pdf
I guess it is hard for me to draw parallels, most of the farms I were on, were grass fed cattle, even the milking hefers, my father set up circulating paducks used special grasses including alfalfa.
I work in the vaccine industry, have a good job, but I would love to have the money to start up a cattle farm before my father goes, he has a great understanding of how to cycle everything. I know people would say I am nutty for thinking that way. Leave a nice job with benefits and vacation, but I miss it.
I completely agree people don’t worry enough about what they eat, then they supplement with vitamins and other supplements and think they are staying healthy the natural way. What freaking joke.
My post was primarily the fact that it is a business and people have a right to run a business as they wish, I know this is no longer a case in this “free” country. If you treat your cattle like crap don’t feed them right, you will have subpar product. But most people don’t know the difference so it doesn’t matter to them, man I got 10lbs of steak at walamrt for 5 bucks.
But then again most farms are subsidized and should be at the scrutiny of the public, it is their money funding it.
A smart farmer would raise organic cattle and upon slaughter do clean bleeds for serum to fractionate out albumin and IGG for use in the science industry, Then also harvest the ligaments tendons cartilige of articular joints, marrow. aseptic process and sell to the bio and supplement industry. Heck you can even use the derma under the hide for the medical industry if you wish to go that far. But that takes more work and onsite slaughter, which if means good segregation of processes.
Every industry supported by the government inevitably becomes disfunctional. Because people start to live up to mediocare at best standard and quick turnaround, tons of innefficiencie.
I would say the problems most of you are concerned about come at the “farm factories” not necessarily well maintained family type farms and ranches.[/quote]
Farms like your fathers are a good example of what the industry should be, but right now the farm “factories” are the standard method of making food.
I’ll say one more thing about the food industry, there has not been one single issue in all of Americas history that has been connected with so many problems: deforestation, soil desecration, climate change (BIG problem with food industries), increased obesity, poor distribution of resources, increased morbidity, and also the removal of the true farmer which used to be an integral part of communities. Quite simply, what we eat and how we get it are perhaps the two biggest world issues today.
I don’t even have access to quality grass-fed meat and organic stuff. Things need to be changed but won’t be changed.
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I’ll say one more thing about the food industry, there has not been one single issue in all of Americas history that has been connected with so many problems: deforestation, soil desecration, climate change (BIG problem with food industries), increased obesity, poor distribution of resources, increased morbidity, and also the removal of the true farmer which used to be an integral part of communities. Quite simply, what we eat and how we get it are perhaps the two biggest world issues today. [/quote]
What caused the need for the commercial food industry in the first place? What has protected it and propagated it?
If you step back further from the problem at hand (which judging from your post, you’ve stepped back far enough to keep going), your view of the real cause should come into focus. Sort of like stepping further and further away from a 3D poster…‘Ah hah! It’s a fucking sailboat!’
[quote]jasmincar wrote:
I don’t even have access to quality grass-fed meat and organic stuff. Things need to be changed but won’t be changed. [/quote]
Believe me when I say this, if things don’t change there will be major shortages of food in the future, even in America. Unsustainable means exactly that, it won’t last forever.
It’s pretty obvious that gov’t doesn’t give a shit b/c corporations are in charge of gov’t nowadays, and I’ll say most corporations don’t give a fuck about anything but money. I found more good docs here
http://www.documentary-film.net/
[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
It’s pretty obvious that gov’t doesn’t give a shit b/c corporations are in charge of gov’t nowadays, and I’ll say most corporations don’t give a fuck about anything but money. I found more good docs here
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I would say it is that they are in bed together, industrialization and the welfare state have worked together to creat this problem, top that off with modern medicine allowing the propogation of the weak. There have been so many gradual shifts that have factored in to creating the problem we are in. The government subsidizing though is one of the biggest problems i can think of, paying farmers not to produce crop and giving most of the aid to these franchised farm factories.
Plus we have a generation of people too lazy to work for their food, who think a complete meal is a combo meal at a fast food place. That are so familiar with the supermarket half the kids probably don’t even realize hamburgers come from the animal on their toy that says moo.
I have a supervisor at work that aside from his job has a 17 acre organic farm, produce, chickens, and goats. In the area around the lehigh valley, poconos and scranton, if you want grass fed beef or organic produce it is very easy to find. You have to pay a little more, but the difference is definitely worth it,
eventually we will end up like the movie “Idiocracy” the only sad thing is I don’t think it will take 500 yrs to get there, more like 50.
Hopefully something can turn this all around.
For anyone that has never eaten a grass fed cheeseburger, it will without a doubt be the best one you have EVER had. No joke, for the first time in your life you will realize what meat is SUPPOSED to taste like. Same goes for freshly grown organic produce, it’s just so much better.
[quote]jasmincar wrote:
I don’t even have access to quality grass-fed meat and organic stuff. Things need to be changed but won’t be changed. [/quote]
There are places on line to get meat. When i have money, i get it from here:
they are expensive but not much more than whole foods and trader joes.
[quote]honest_lifter wrote:
jasmincar wrote:
I don’t even have access to quality grass-fed meat and organic stuff. Things need to be changed but won’t be changed.
There are places on line to get meat. When i have money, i get it from here:
they are expensive but not much more than whole foods and trader joes.[/quote]
the thing is that I am 18 years old, live with my parents in a generic canadian suburb lost hole (that imply that there is no offer), my parents don’t give a shit.
believe me food is on top of my priority list. I wanna study nutrition .
Someone said there is gonna be a shortage of food in a couple of decades. My view is that when things are gonna get a little rougher 90% of the population who live in their box the very same way than yesterday everyday, in their comfort are gonna freak the fuck out.
They will elect a populist fascist government (like it happened in Germany after the Krash) who will promise them security and wealth and it is gonna end out in a war for ressources.
Then lots of people, including you and me who thinks it cant happen to them, will suffer and die but the thing is that it will not end like WW2 or any other crisis. We wont just move on and forget about it. There will be no ressource left on the earth to allow things to move on.
People just don’t learn. Just look at the PWI forum
I am 18, and I dont expect to live to 60 years old.
[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:
For anyone that has never eaten a grass fed cheeseburger, it will without a doubt be the best one you have EVER had. No joke, for the first time in your life you will realize what meat is SUPPOSED to taste like. Same goes for freshly grown organic produce, it’s just so much better.[/quote]
Can’t say I can tell the difference on produce but meat for sure, especially beef.
Costco actually carries organic grass fed beef.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Schlenkatank wrote:
For anyone that has never eaten a grass fed cheeseburger, it will without a doubt be the best one you have EVER had. No joke, for the first time in your life you will realize what meat is SUPPOSED to taste like. Same goes for freshly grown organic produce, it’s just so much better.
Can’t say I can tell the difference on produce but meat for sure, especially beef.[/quote]
With produce like apples the texture is more delicate, more juicy and less sweet. They have more of that pure “apple” essence. Same with strawberries. It’s like they’re more strawberry in the strawberry, if that makes sense.
Wild caught Fish is also heads and shoulders over corn fed farm raised fish. Yes, that’s right. Our fish eats corn too. How can farm raised salmon be as good as touted when it eats like that and spends it’s life in a cage. The meat is pure white and not pink. So they feed them pellets which stain their muscles to appear nice and pink to the consumer. YAY! Look for the friendly neighborhood “color added” label.
But it may not be mandatory.
Food Inc. was great, but you should really read The Omnivore’s Dilemma, by Michael Pollan (who is featured in the film) for the whole story. He’s a little drawn-out at times, but it’s highly, highly educational. The factory-farm meat we eat really is just SUCH garbage.
I’m not so obsessive that I’ll never eat it, as it’s unavoidable if you’re eating out, etc., but I do only buy grass-fed meat and free-range chicken for when I’m cooking at home. (I have a Whole Foods nearby, so it’s fairly convenient, fortunately.)
The industrial food (especially meat) production system in this country is a complete, scary shit-show. Everyone should really read up on it.