[quote]Reed wrote:
SPF: My go to mainly because it is the most prominent where I am from. Literally a meet almost every 2 months within a few hours drive of my house. If you compete raw then the judging is usually fairly strict and consistent especially when the Millers or Brandon Lilly is judging which is more often than not. Before anyone says it no they are not known for the deepest squats but they do require you to atleast break parallel nothing more and not by a mile.
Probably one of the safest feds I have ever seen. Mono/Safety Chains and 3 spotters on every Squat Attempt, 3 on every Bench attempt head spotter is not required to leave the platform the head judge will move around to see, and a usually one judge to the back if you like to pass out on DL like I do lol. Great guys, great atmosphere and just all in all a fun fed.
USPA: comes in second. Have only been to Steve Goggins ran meets. Only comes in second due to not using a mono or DL bar.
RPS: have never compete here but have seen 2 of their meets and seem very well ran. Plus not having a membership fee is always nice.[/quote]
Are you going to be at the one in western kentucky april 11? Im planning on doing that one
[quote]Reed wrote:
RPS: have never compete here but have seen 2 of their meets and seem very well ran. Plus not having a membership fee is always nice.[/quote]
Another vote for RPS. I’ve been to two meets ran by Gene Rychlak, and it was very quickly and efficiently ran. Judging was fair (Hey, Gene himself judges!) Equipment was very nice; there were multiple Monolifts for people to warmup with and deadlift bars.
[quote]Reed wrote:
SPF: My go to mainly because it is the most prominent where I am from. Literally a meet almost every 2 months within a few hours drive of my house. If you compete raw then the judging is usually fairly strict and consistent especially when the Millers or Brandon Lilly is judging which is more often than not. Before anyone says it no they are not known for the deepest squats but they do require you to atleast break parallel nothing more and not by a mile.
Probably one of the safest feds I have ever seen. Mono/Safety Chains and 3 spotters on every Squat Attempt, 3 on every Bench attempt head spotter is not required to leave the platform the head judge will move around to see, and a usually one judge to the back if you like to pass out on DL like I do lol. Great guys, great atmosphere and just all in all a fun fed.
USPA: comes in second. Have only been to Steve Goggins ran meets. Only comes in second due to not using a mono or DL bar.
RPS: have never compete here but have seen 2 of their meets and seem very well ran. Plus not having a membership fee is always nice.[/quote]
Are you going to be at the one in western kentucky april 11? Im planning on doing that one[/quote]
I have committed to the March 21st Ironman already but I have been invited to thay meet by the guys running it. If I have any friends doing it I’ll go just to ride up.
[quote]woody222 wrote:
Thanks for replies never heard of RPS?Ill check it out…Its a pain to change federations and pay multiple membership fees on top of meet entry fees ect…[/quote]
RPS does not charge a membership fee. Just a fee for your class. Gene (owner) says membership fees are rip offs. If you want to compete against the best, qualify for raw unity.
In regards to what Feds I support…those that support powerlifting in my area (WNPF, USAPL, RPS).
IPF are cruel with their judging. IPF rules say squats must be hip crease below knee and yet they red light people that squat hip crease below knee. Also, they are exclusive and strict with their members. Can’t do meets with other feds, can’t attend seminars with other feds. Ed Coan is coming down here for a seminar and apparently anyone going there will be banned from the IPF if they find out.
[quote]Haldor wrote:
IPF are cruel with their judging. IPF rules say squats must be hip crease below knee and yet they red light people that squat hip crease below knee. Also, they are exclusive and strict with their members. Can’t do meets with other feds, can’t attend seminars with other feds. Ed Coan is coming down here for a seminar and apparently anyone going there will be banned from the IPF if they find out.[/quote]
My first meet is coming up, but I have heard from many a lifter about the IPF as well as having seen some good lifts get red lighted. I also read their rules!
[quote]Haldor wrote:
My first meet is coming up, but I have heard from many a lifter about the IPF as well as having seen some good lifts get red lighted. I also read their rules![/quote]
You were at the meet and saw the lift get red lighted?
Yeah it was a buddy of mine a few weeks ago. I commented because of the two posts up there about IPF judging and that came to mind. The lift was filmed too, and much of the audience’s reaction also disagreed with the judge. The funny thing is that third attempt the depth was the same as second and it was whites. Another guy also got called for depth when the depth was there. It’s not like I’m in the judge’s chair, but based on people I’ve talked to and forum posts a lot of lifters tend to have this squat depth problem with the IPF.
[quote]Haldor wrote:
IPF are cruel with their judging. IPF rules say squats must be hip crease below knee and yet they red light people that squat hip crease below knee. Also, they are exclusive and strict with their members. Can’t do meets with other feds, can’t attend seminars with other feds. Ed Coan is coming down here for a seminar and apparently anyone going there will be banned from the IPF if they find out.[/quote]
Interesting bundle of information here.
[quote]Haldor wrote:
Yeah it was a buddy of mine a few weeks ago. I commented because of the two posts up there about IPF judging and that came to mind. The lift was filmed too, and much of the audience’s reaction also disagreed with the judge. The funny thing is that third attempt the depth was the same as second and it was whites. Another guy also got called for depth when the depth was there. It’s not like I’m in the judge’s chair, but based on people I’ve talked to and forum posts a lot of lifters tend to have this squat depth problem with the IPF.[/quote]
I compete in the IPF, and while mistakes are made, in my experience new lifters whining about judging is far more common than erroneously strict judging.
[quote]Haldor wrote:
Yeah it was a buddy of mine a few weeks ago. I commented because of the two posts up there about IPF judging and that came to mind. The lift was filmed too, and much of the audience’s reaction also disagreed with the judge. The funny thing is that third attempt the depth was the same as second and it was whites. Another guy also got called for depth when the depth was there. It’s not like I’m in the judge’s chair, but based on people I’ve talked to and forum posts a lot of lifters tend to have this squat depth problem with the IPF.[/quote]
I compete in the IPF, and while mistakes are made, in my experience new lifters whining about judging is far more common than erroneously strict judging.[/quote]
You’re right most of those comments do come from new competitors. I guess you just get used to it? Either way my only choices here are IPF and CPU so I guess I’ll have to get used to it too. I still think that most of the whining is legit though. I’d like to speak to some IPF judges at some point to know exactly what they consider hip crease below knee.
I compete USAPL and like the strictness and legitimacy of the federation. I like that the USAPL feeds into an international federation (IPF) that has meets with lifters from around the world. So a world meet truly has an international presence in regards to the lifters on the roster.
I have helped lifters at local NASA and USPA meets. I’m totally unimpressed by NASA and quite impressed by USPA.
Unlike many, I am not bothered by the plethora of lifting feds. There’s something for everyone, in my opinion. And kudos to everyone who puts it out there to get up on the platform.
[quote]Haldor wrote:
Yeah it was a buddy of mine a few weeks ago. I commented because of the two posts up there about IPF judging and that came to mind. The lift was filmed too, and much of the audience’s reaction also disagreed with the judge. The funny thing is that third attempt the depth was the same as second and it was whites. Another guy also got called for depth when the depth was there. It’s not like I’m in the judge’s chair, but based on people I’ve talked to and forum posts a lot of lifters tend to have this squat depth problem with the IPF.[/quote]
I compete in the IPF, and while mistakes are made, in my experience new lifters whining about judging is far more common than erroneously strict judging.[/quote]
Well put - some mistakes are always made when we use humans to judge. The IPF is the federration that puts the most work into striving for both an actual respect for the rules and as high a degree of consistency as is possible. IPF and it’s affiliates always. That being said, if you prefer to have clearly high squats passed and not have to pause your bench press so that your total goes up by doing nothing, then by all means, look elsewhere.
[quote]Haldor wrote:
Yeah it was a buddy of mine a few weeks ago. I commented because of the two posts up there about IPF judging and that came to mind. The lift was filmed too, and much of the audience’s reaction also disagreed with the judge. The funny thing is that third attempt the depth was the same as second and it was whites. Another guy also got called for depth when the depth was there. It’s not like I’m in the judge’s chair, but based on people I’ve talked to and forum posts a lot of lifters tend to have this squat depth problem with the IPF.[/quote]
I compete in the IPF, and while mistakes are made, in my experience new lifters whining about judging is far more common than erroneously strict judging.[/quote]
You’re right most of those comments do come from new competitors. I guess you just get used to it? Either way my only choices here are IPF and CPU so I guess I’ll have to get used to it too. I still think that most of the whining is legit though. I’d like to speak to some IPF judges at some point to know exactly what they consider hip crease below knee. [/quote]
[quote]Haldor wrote:
Yeah it was a buddy of mine a few weeks ago. I commented because of the two posts up there about IPF judging and that came to mind. The lift was filmed too, and much of the audience’s reaction also disagreed with the judge. The funny thing is that third attempt the depth was the same as second and it was whites. Another guy also got called for depth when the depth was there. It’s not like I’m in the judge’s chair, but based on people I’ve talked to and forum posts a lot of lifters tend to have this squat depth problem with the IPF.[/quote]
I compete in the IPF, and while mistakes are made, in my experience new lifters whining about judging is far more common than erroneously strict judging.[/quote]
Speaking as a ref in an IPF affiliate (CPU) I’ll say that we put an extensive amount of time and effort into our referee standards. We have to jump through a lot of hoops, take a number of written and practical tests to become a referee even at a Provincial level. We have to be a category 2 (side referee) for two years before we can take the practical test to be a category 1 Provincial referee (head ref). National and International level referees have done their job for years before they get to that level.
Judgements have to be made in a split second on depth without the benefit of video feedback or conferring with your friends on the validity of a call.
I’ll also add that despite being a referee I’ve bombed out of more than one (equipped) meet on depth and have no doubt the calls were good. That’s why there are three refs not one.
Most complaints about calls that I’ve heard are from inexperienced and disappointed lifters.
[quote]arramzy wrote:
That being said, if you prefer to have clearly high squats passed and not have to pause your bench press so that your total goes up by doing nothing, then by all means, look elsewhere.[/quote]
I don’t really get that attitude. Who cares if the squats are high and the bench isn’t paused if you’re not competing in that fed? None of us are getting paid for this and my self worth isn’t built into what my total is or if my lift if legit or not in all feds. As long as the judging is consistent within your own fed then that’s all that really matters.
I compete in the USPA because they have local meets. I’ve been pretty happy with all of the meets that I’ve been to (7 now I think) although they seem to be getting bigger and bigger meaning they run a day and night session.