Matt,
Thanks buddy. I appreciate that.
Nate,
That’s about what I had expected. Thanks.
Good work on the vids mate. They explain the WS sistem very well. Cheers, Nick.
[quote]Boris B wrote:
Nate,
That’s about what I had expected. Thanks.[/quote]
No problem.
And I wasn’t trying to say what you did was wrong or bad. But since you had posted this in the “Bodybuilding” forum, I figured that some clarification needed to be made since the majority of people reading this forum are interested in “looking good” and may need to alter the Westside principles (a la WS4SB) to achieve their goals. 
Not being argumentative, but I don’t see why you would need to alter the westside principles if you are interested in physique enhancement. Just make sure diet is in line.
Look at Phil Harrington, Greg Panora, Chuck, etc. And they all lift at Westside.
I think max effort, dynamic effort and most definitely repeated effort are all useful in building a big strong physique.
My 2cc.
[quote]Nate Dogg wrote:
Or how about you read the Westside for Skinny Bastard articles since it applies better to most people and athletes? Joe DeFranco has videos on his YouTube site as well. ;)[/quote]
No big deal, but I would have phrased this differently if your only point was that it would be more appropriately placed in the strength sports forum. As you have it phrased, it sounds like you’re flippantly dismissing the WS template and suggesting that it’s a waste of time to view the videos.
[quote]mattwray wrote:
Not being argumentative, but I don’t see why you would need to alter the westside principles if you are interested in physique enhancement. Just make sure diet is in line.
Look at Phil Harrington, Greg Panora, Chuck, etc. And they all lift at Westside.
I think max effort, dynamic effort and most definitely repeated effort are all useful in building a big strong physique.
My 2cc.[/quote]
I agree wholeheartedly - most guys would make tremendous gains in size if they trained for strength rather than focusing on appearance and bodyparts. It’s certainly not the only way to train, but it’s a good one.
[quote]Boris B wrote:
Nate Dogg wrote:
Or how about you read the Westside for Skinny Bastard articles since it applies better to most people and athletes? Joe DeFranco has videos on his YouTube site as well.
No big deal, but I would have phrased this differently if your only point was that it would be more appropriately placed in the strength sports forum. As you have it phrased, it sounds like you’re flippantly dismissing the WS template and suggesting that it’s a waste of time to view the videos.[/quote]
No way! I use and recommend them (but with the tweaks WS4SB has made).
[quote]scottiscool wrote:
That’s a childish way to try to get your point across evansmi. Can’t we have a decent level of respect for eachother when we are talking?[/quote]
Yeah it was a little childish, and for that, my bad. But I’m just very annoyed because Boris B is really providing a great service with those videos and I think Nate Doggs first response was uncalled for. At no point did Boris say, “everyone should train westside and do goodmornings,” so why Nate Dogg felt like antagonizing him, I don’t know.
[quote]evansmi wrote:
scottiscool wrote:
That’s a childish way to try to get your point across evansmi. Can’t we have a decent level of respect for eachother when we are talking?
Yeah it was a little childish, and for that, my bad. But I’m just very annoyed because Boris B is really providing a great service with those videos and I think Nate Doggs first response was uncalled for. At no point did Boris say, “everyone should train westside and do goodmornings,” so why Nate Dogg felt like antagonizing him, I don’t know.[/quote]
I know it’s hard to convey tone of voice while typing on an internet forum, but did you notice that I used a “winking” smiley face at the end of my original post? That usually means a “light-hearted” type of response such as “wink, wink, did you know about this?”
[quote]Nate Dogg wrote:
Or how about you read the Westside for Skinny Bastard articles since it applies better to most people and athletes? Joe DeFranco has videos on his YouTube site as well. ;)[/quote]
Also, note that this was posted in the “Bodybuilding” forum where most people go because they want to look good. Westside is typically for powerlifters and the parameters should be tweaked for someone wanting to look good naked or for bodybuilding purposes, thus the reason I recommended WS4SB:
[quote]Nate Dogg wrote:
Much of the “Westside” stuff is for those who compete in powerlifting. WS4SB applies some changes geared toward athletes and even those looking to have some performance with looks (which is what most people want).[/quote]
As for antagonizing Boris, I had no intention of doing so. In fact, there are people who post on this forum intent on blatantly attacking or antagonizing others. I did a very poor job of doing so. But I’m sure if it was my intention, I could have done a better job.
Let’s chalk it up to a misunderstanding or miscommunication or “having a bad day” and move on. And maybe have this thread moved to the “Strength Sports” forum since these videos would be most useful there.
[quote]Boris B wrote:
I agree wholeheartedly - most guys would make tremendous gains in size if they trained for strength rather than focusing on appearance and bodyparts. It’s certainly not the only way to train, but it’s a good one.[/quote]
My favorite thread here of all time was “all powerlifters are fatties” because it helped illustrate that Dave dieted down from his powerlifting physique and looked like a legit superheavyweight bodybuilder in the upper body. No massive holes in his physique were presant.
A more recent example was Trey Brewer, but the principles are the same. You aren’t going to be a very small person benching 500+ squatting and dead lifting 700+.
[quote]scottiscool wrote:
You aren’t going to be a very small person benching 500+ squatting and dead lifting 700+. [/quote]
Well, if you’re my size and have those lifts, you’re only going to be so big.
For example, I have a friend who is 5’5 and 165lbs. He’s strong as hell. He competed in powerlifting in the 148lb class and benched 391 lbs for a new record during college. He also squatted and deadlifted in the 450-600lb range.
Obviously, he is strong and fairly muscular. But he still isn’t “big” due to his stature. He now competes in Olympic weightlifting and has placed 3rd nationally many times in the 69kg class with a snatch of 105-112.5kg and a jerk of 140-145kg.
[quote]Nate Dogg wrote:
scottiscool wrote:
You aren’t going to be a very small person benching 500+ squatting and dead lifting 700+.
Well, if you’re my size and have those lifts, you’re only going to be so big.
For example, I have a friend who is 5’5 and 165lbs. He’s strong as hell. He competed in powerlifting in the 148lb class and benched 391 lbs for a new record during college. He also squatted and deadlifted in the 450-600lb range.
Obviously, he is strong and fairly muscular. But he still isn’t “big” due to his stature. He now competes in Olympic weightlifting and has placed 3rd nationally many times in the 69kg class with a snatch of 105-112.5kg and a jerk of 140-145kg.
[/quote]
But, you don’t think he would gain any size adding 160lbs to his bench and 2-300 lbs to his squat? I bet he’d add a lot of muscle in doing so…
[quote]mattwray wrote:
Nate Dogg wrote:
scottiscool wrote:
You aren’t going to be a very small person benching 500+ squatting and dead lifting 700+.
Well, if you’re my size and have those lifts, you’re only going to be so big.
For example, I have a friend who is 5’5 and 165lbs. He’s strong as hell. He competed in powerlifting in the 148lb class and benched 391 lbs for a new record during college. He also squatted and deadlifted in the 450-600lb range.
Obviously, he is strong and fairly muscular. But he still isn’t “big” due to his stature. He now competes in Olympic weightlifting and has placed 3rd nationally many times in the 69kg class with a snatch of 105-112.5kg and a jerk of 140-145kg.
But, you don’t think he would gain any size adding 160lbs to his bench and 2-300 lbs to his squat? I bet he’d add a lot of muscle in doing so…
[/quote]
So, if he benched 160lbs more than he has done (391) at 5’5" and 148lbs, you think he would be bigger??? And if he squatted and deadlifted 200-300lbs more than he has done, he’d be “bigger?”
Well, maybe! But how many 148lb guys have benched 550lbs and squatted/deadlifted 650-800lbs raw? And how big are they?
Not 148lbs!
LOL
;D
If someone stays in a weight class then obviously they aren’t getting bigger. But using Chuck as an example since somone else brought him up, he was muscular at 220 and 242 but has since BLOWN UP allowing himself to compete in the 275 class I believe. He had all that growth waiting dormant inside of him from the years of insane weights that was finally able to happen because he could eat his way up.
So, being strong and eating a lot is they key for big time size. Sound familiar to anyone here? haha
[quote]Nate Dogg wrote:
scottiscool wrote:
You aren’t going to be a very small person benching 500+ squatting and dead lifting 700+.
Well, if you’re my size and have those lifts, you’re only going to be so big.
For example, I have a friend who is 5’5 and 165lbs. He’s strong as hell. He competed in powerlifting in the 148lb class and benched 391 lbs for a new record during college. He also squatted and deadlifted in the 450-600lb range.
Obviously, he is strong and fairly muscular. But he still isn’t “big” due to his stature. He now competes in Olympic weightlifting and has placed 3rd nationally many times in the 69kg class with a snatch of 105-112.5kg and a jerk of 140-145kg.
[/quote]
Who’s your friend?
Chris Follenius.
69kg lifter in Olympic weightlifting since 1995-1996 or so. He competed in powerlifting prior to that. He’s 39 now and still competes (and not in the master’s classes).
[u]Olympic Weightlifting[/u]
http://www.msbn.tv/usavision/displayPage.aspx?id=1101
2007 Sunshine State Games:
Men�??s Senior (21+)
69kg
- Chris Follenius, Gainesville, 247kg
http://www.lifttilyadie.com/Results/00SrNats.htm
www.cvbg.tv/mmsysFrontEnd/uploadedFiles/04mastermen.pdf
http://www.lifttilyadie.com/Results/04OlyTry.htm
[u]Powerlifting[/u]
Look under the junior class (18-19 year olds) and you’ll see under the 148lb class that he benched 391.2lbs setting a record in 1987:
powerliftingca.com/american_pl_juniormen.pdf
That was the only powerlifting record I could find for him online, but he has a ton of awards for first-place finishes in powerlifting at his house.
Another friend of mine, Chris Singleton, also competes in Olympic lifting. usually in the 94-105kg class. He hasn’t placed in the top three nationally or gone to the Olympic trials, but he is still a big, strong guy that does well in his weight class when competing.
We all trained together at one point, but now Chris Follenius and I train at home (he still competes in Olympic lifting, I don’t). Chris Singleton trains at the Gainesville Gym (where we all trained together at one point).
Sounds like you get to train with some very, very strong people. Nice.
I did in the past. I need to train with both of them more often, but our schedules don’t seem to work out for that these days!
Off-topic, but I really like that Skwat! shirt. Can I buy one somewhere or did you just have one printed up?