[quote]mr popular wrote:
First of all I never gave him a routine.[/quote]
Sorry, you didn’t lay it out exactly step by step. But, you did give him a long list of exercises along with specific set and rep ranges. It’s not too far from a routine. How dare you expect him to put the routine together himself!!
He could probably begin with the threads stickied at the very top of the BEGINNER’S forum. If he really knows as little as it appears, that is the first place he should have started.
[quote]::NEWSFLASH:: THIS IS A FORUM, A WEBSITE DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY FOR ASKING QUESTIONS AND GETTING RESPONSES.
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It’s also a web site with a HUGE article collection, able to tell him virtually everything he needs to know.
What if I do?
Actually, considering that this is T-Nation, pretty easy. You told him nothing but the very basics, information that he should know after 2 years of training. Even if he didn’t know it, it would not be hard at all to find. If you feel this information is hard to find, perhaps you have some sort of learning disorder.
[quote]eeu743 wrote:
Dude I don’t know about you, but the rest of us on T-Nation knew everything we needed the first day we set foot in a gym. It’s not like there is an infinite number of plans, most of which are mediocre at best, or that it is not obvious that a person is not eating enough to gain, or needs more protein. If you just look up good muscle building programs the first one is obviously the best, I’m sure the best bodybuilders and weightlifters will tell you that they taught themselves exactly how to be huge, and never got practical advice from older, bigger, stronger men, like this kid is looking for here. [/quote]
As already said, he’s been training for 2 years, far from first stepping into the gym. You can easily find good beginner’s routines by browsing the site, but like I said, you just have to use some common sense. Oh, and those older, bigger, stronger men that you’re talking about, some of them actually write articles that are posted on this site.
Do you have a problem with the guidelines I laid out?
What if I do?
Furthermore, how easy do you think it would be to learn the things I just posted if you were just starting out and your only real resource was the internet. lol
Actually, considering that this is T-Nation, pretty easy. You told him nothing but the very basics, information that he should know after 2 years of training. Even if he didn’t know it, it would not be hard at all to find. If you feel this information is hard to find, perhaps you have some sort of learning disorder.[/quote]
haha on the first part, and on the second, I don’t think you guys have necessarily lifted in high school gyms. I was in a weightlifting class for a semester, and the only thing anybody did was bench and curl, literally. There was nothing else. Some of them had been doing it for more than a year, and they had still made no progress and had no knowledge. I can practice karate for two years, but if nobody teaches me the chances of me being any good are slim.
Honestly, I don’t think this site is that helpful to people who have little to no knowledge of weightlifting. Most of the articles are directed towards people with at least some experience, and are beyond the needs of a new lifter. Besides, if you guys all know what a beginner should do because you’ve learned it, why not help the kid out anyway? It seems like you either don’t know the answer, or you’re purposefully trying to be unhelpful. I doubt that this kid will take what mr popular has told him and stick to it exactly, without reading anything else or ever changing his routine. mr popular has just given him an answer to his question, which I agree is totally illogical, but mr popular likes to be different.
yes, and I posted in it more than once, and some of the replies were mildly helpful, but most people said DO SOME RESEARCH!
Actually, from what I notice, most of the articles have either nothing to do with bodybuilding, or are written by people who give advice, but haven’t benefited much from it. But IF that’s true, why don’t people show those to this kid, rather than just telling him to approach a massive amount of information and sort it for himself, because that is how you get people really into any hobby, by making it really difficult and frustrating from the beginning.
[quote]eeu743 wrote:
Actually, from what I notice, most of the articles have either nothing to do with bodybuilding, or are written by people who give advice, but haven’t benefited much from it. But IF that’s true, why don’t people show those to this kid, rather than just telling him to approach a massive amount of information and sort it for himself, because that is how you get people really into any hobby, by making it really difficult and frustrating from the beginning.[/quote]
What about the stickies in the forum?
I think that you lose something when all the information is separated out FOR you. I think that there’s a lot of good to be had by reading your ass off and devoting some serious time to learning about this stuff and in so doing, you learn a lot about yourself which will inevitably be the thing that either makes or breaks your bodybuilding future.
The art of diseminating loads of information is a pretty handy talent to have and it only comes from puting in the time.
When I first started out training and for most of my lifting “career”, there was no internet. Imagine me as a total newbie trying to figure out what I was supposed to be doing in the gym.
I actually had to- get this- guess which bodybuilding BOOKS sounded good, write a letter with a pen and paper, have my parents send a check to buy the book, wait 2-3 weeks to get the book, sit down and read it and try out the routines and see if I got stronger of bigger.
Then I had to wait for my birthday or save up my allowance to buy another book etc., etc.
This would go on for YEARS, not the few seconds it takes to type “ripped abs” in Google.
I don’t get too upset when I see someone being told to “do some research”. Doing things on your own is how you truly learn.
I think that you lose something when all the information is separated out FOR you. I think that there’s a lot of good to be had by reading your ass off and devoting some serious time to learning about this stuff and in so doing, you learn a lot about yourself which will inevitably be the thing that either makes or breaks your bodybuilding future.
The art of diseminating loads of information is a pretty handy talent to have and it only comes from puting in the time.
When I first started out training and for most of my lifting “career”, there was no internet. Imagine me as a total newbie trying to figure out what I was supposed to be doing in the gym.
I actually had to- get this- guess which bodybuilding BOOKS sounded good, write a letter with a pen and paper, have my parents send a check to buy the book, wait 2-3 weeks to get the book, sit down and read it and try out the routines and see if I got stronger of bigger.
Then I had to wait for my birthday or save up my allowance to buy another book etc., etc.
This would go on for YEARS, not the few seconds it takes to type “ripped abs” in Google.
I don’t get too upset when I see someone being told to “do some research”. Doing things on your own is how you truly learn.
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I think I have it lucky. I am ecstatic that I actually have this site to use. Although my dad was a bodybuilder, I still need to read even more about it, or I would never have any options. So, the one thing I have to say is that this site makes it easy. Don’t complain.
Thanks for the replies…interesting! “mr. popular” good answer…lots of good info. Yea I agree that I can go read for myself and learn, my apologies for the vague question…however I did try and read a little myself…but I got a bunch of different answers and ideas from guys that had different goals.
I get on here and read when I have time but I play 2 sports and have work 5 days a week right now, on top of lifting…I figured it’d be nice to have a little bit of sorted information and opinion presented to me. I think I got a pretty good idea of what I’m going to try…
As for diet, I’m thinking around 4000 cals a day on lifting days at least, and a little less on recovery days…and around 250 grams protein. Should I focus on eating more carbs? There’s not a whole lot in my diet right now.
And for my lifting I’ll stick to 4x8 or so on my main lift that day…followed by 3x10 in one or two other exercises. Oh and I’m lifting 5 days a week focusing on a diff. body part each day. Sound good?
Sounds perfectly fine to me, although I personally would recommend against eating less calories on your off days. Reason being, you may want those extra calories to be there when your body decides it is time to make a muscle larger. Muscles grow when they’re recovering and you need to have the nutrients available all the time to grow at the fastest possible rate.
Your workout schedule will probably be just fine for you but if you have trouble with it feel free to come back and ask for help with it.