Weekend Drinkers, What's Been Your Results?

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[quote]ctastrophe wrote:
How can you get a baseline when you will be on a good amount of anabolics? What kind of baseline is this? Base-line is done BEFORE you start something, not in the middle of it.
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Jesus bro, you aren’t going to let this die. I have my BEFORE labs now I will get a NEW baseline. If I am too high or low we will adjust it.

[quote]ctastrophe wrote:
It’s hard to tell from context which one of my doctors you’re talking about.
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I think all of them. Most of your posts have been about second guessing them.

[quote]ctastrophe wrote:
Funny enough, my orthopedic doctor is competent enough to be employed by the SF Giants. Though I guess the fact that he’s the team physician for a professional baseball team that isn’t the best in the league is a stain on his record. (Although he was on staff in 2010 when they took the series, so who knows?).[/quote]

My surgeon and the practice does mostly pros and celebrities as well. Palm Beach’s best.

[quote]ctastrophe wrote:
If you’re suggesting I need a new Endo, please explain why. It’s normal for it to take months to let your hormones level out and adjust doses of T and AI. My doctor wasn’t negligent, and didn’t just throw a 200mg dose at me without starting lower and adjusting based on labs. My doctor also ordered baseline tests to be done BEFORE starting treatment, as well as along the way so we knew where to tweak the dose. He also didn’t put me on a temporary cycle and call it TRT, ordering labs when it’s almost over even though it isn’t the therapy which I will be on for life.[/quote]

You only have half your nuts and are 20 something…I don’t have your issues. I have been doing blood tests for a good 10 years now and hate taking meds for anything. My testosterone kept falling and when I got my latest score below normal range is when I reacted.

[quote]ctastrophe wrote:
I don’t give a fuck who takes what steroids or why. You aren’t on my therapy either, you are on a ten week cycle when you have never been on any anabolics before and you sometimes claim it’s TRT and sometimes it’s not. What makes me mad is that myself and other people have raised valid questions about your therapy and you see this as an attack on you. [/quote]

no bro, you do. You went on record that ‘us type of guys’ are milking the system. Only you are really questioning anything, again this is you sophmoric effort.

[quote]ctastrophe wrote:
Good call. Because the case of beer you drink every weekend only contains one beer in it.
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grasping at straws again bro. 4.1% abv ain’t much different from full beers. I like to consume so a bit less on the abv and cals works good for me.

[quote]ctastrophe wrote:
Tell me, what is Deca doing to help you recover? Why was it prescribed? What mode of action does it have in your body that will aide in your shoulder recovery? [/quote]

OMG! you serious? Let’s just go to what is it doing that will hamper me?

[quote]ctastrophe wrote:
First off, I’m not attacking you, which you don’t seem to realize. I’m “attacking” the stupid things you are doing. That aside, if you want to talk about how binge drinking will affect your fat losses, why would you post this in the “T-Replacement” Forum? If you want a discussion on diet and alcohol consumption, I’d suggest posting in the “Nutrition” or “Bodybuilding” sections, and not the one for guys getting advise on how to deal with medical issues.[/quote]

lol, you are probably wanting to kick a dog now.

Fortunately you will never ever be a moderator here you freaking nutter.

[quote]ctastrophe wrote:
TRT is for life. A ten week cycle is not TRT. This isn’t complicated. If you aren’t on TRT you shouldn’t be posting in the TRT section, you should be posting in the “Steroids” section, because what you are doing right now isn’t TRT, and you are looking to take steroids for reasons other than the correction of hypogonadism. Taking steroids for reasons other than hypogonadism is not TRT. This is why I’m giving you shit, because you don’t understand that, even if you have low T and are planning on being on an actual TRT protocol later, you aren’t on TRT now and therefore show how confused you are by posting in the TRT forum. I’ll repeat this for the 1000th time since you keep accusing me of the opposite: I don’t care why anyone takes testosterone for any reason. I do care when people don’t understand the difference between cycling steroids and TRT, especially when they are doing it wrong.
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It’s not really a 10 week cycle, it’s my first 10 weeks. I am on TRT. Again just ignore my posts, it’s obvious you are freaking angry here. I have a ton of experience in steroids. I never thought I’d be on them.

[quote]ctastrophe wrote:
Your current regiment might work for you. The thing is, you jumped into a dose that’s twice the standard starting point and added another steroid to it, even though you didn’t establish what would happen from taking the testosterone alone. It’s irresponsible and is medically unsound. You had no idea what Test alone would do to you or your T levels, and yet felt it was a good idea to take twice the starting dose and adding Deca, in addition to incorrectly dosing your hCG and anastrozole.[/quote]

lol at this, seriously. You are a total armchair expert.

[quote]ctastrophe wrote:
No shit. So, again to my questions that you are STILL unable to answer: “Were you diagnosed with Primary or Secondary Hypogonadism? And, why?”[/quote]

again you have no understanding in this.

[quote]ctastrophe wrote:
I don’t think you know the answer to this because I don’t think you have a diagnosis. You could prove me wrong by making your case, or at least showing that you understand the questions. And “My Testosterone started falling in my 30’s, it’s below normal range now. Easy Peasy” does not actually answer that question. The fact that you think that’s a coherent answer just furthers my suspicion that you don’t actually have a diagnosis. Having a low Total Testosterone number isn’t a diagnosis.[/quote]

wow just wow.

[quote]ctastrophe wrote:
Then why couldn’t you answer a single one of the questions I asked that you quoted?
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I have answered all of them, you simply lack the knowledge to understand those answers bro.

[quote]ctastrophe wrote:
You seem to be really fixated on my testicle. You seem to care more about it than I do, and seem to think I get insulted when you bring it up. I own the fact that I’m a uni-baller, and even gave myself the loving nick-name “half-sack” with my friends. Think about and talk about my scrotum all you want; It doesn’t bother me. [/quote]

like I said you are the one focused on it. I’d get over your anger.

[quote]ctastrophe wrote:
That you think that the loss of my testicle factors into the diagnosis of hypogonadism shows how little you know about the subject. It wouldn’t matter if I had two testicles or five, the testing and diagnosis process would be exactly the same for me as it would for anyone else. Do you actually think I went into the doctor and said “I only have one testicle, can I get hormones please???” Or that my doctor said “Well, you only have one testicle now, so here’s some syringes”? Most guys who have an Orchiectomy don’t end up with low testosterone. I don’t get why you think my testicle count has anything to do with anything.
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you go bro!

[quote]ctastrophe wrote:
Feel free to keep trying to insult me though. If you feel like telling me your diagnosis and the reasons behind that diagnosis, it would be really productive.[/quote]

LoL at you thinking you aren’t the insulting one in this. Like I said, this topic is not for your pipe dreams and DOGMA. shoo! ruffle ruffle

[quote]ctastrophe wrote:
For clarity, “Were you diagnosed with Primary or Secondary Hypogonadism? And, why?”[/quote]

Do you understand 40 year old men just stop making T? You don’t need to do a witch hunt.

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Before I get going I would like to clarify one thing you clearly aren’t understanding. At first I said you were adding 2400 calories from your drinking, to which you said “drinking Mich Ultra that is 95 cals a beer, so not 2400+”. Then you go off on this tangent about ABV and god-knows what, when you’re just failing to understand what I clearly said. By drinking a case of beer a week (case = 24 beers) you are adding ~100 calories X 24 beers, for a total of 2400 calories. It doesn’t matter how much the ABV is.

Okay, since I’ve asked you at least a dozen times and you are still unable to answer, I’ll clarify this to point out how little you actually understand about T-Replacement. Since you seriously have failed to answer a single question I’ve asked, I’ll try and refrain from asking any non-rhetorical ones. Honestly, scroll up and look at your responses to me and see how many times you insulted me instead of actually responding to what I asked.

Having a low Total T isn’t a diagnosis, and it’s one of many labs that need to be done if you want to treat the condition right. Being old isn’t a diagnosis either. If you knew what you were doing, you would know the difference between Primary and Secondary Hypogonadism and you would know which one you were diagnosed with. Testing for both is irrespective of age and number of testicles (which you seem fond of mentioning again).

Do you actually know whether you have Primary or Secondary? No, otherwise you would have said so already. Do you know the difference between the two? No, otherwise you would have said so already.

Just because you are over 40 doesn’t mean you automatically have one type of hypogonadism, which you seem to think is the case. If it was this cut-and-dry then there would only be one test needed for a diagnosis which is never the case amongst competent doctors. Only a quack would give you testosterone based on one lab (Total Testosterone), no matter how many times you have had that one lab done.

I’ve purposefully withheld defining the two types of low T in order to give you the opportunity to prove me wrong and show me that you actually do have a diagnosis or at least know why you were given testosterone. That you just keep saying “I’m over 40 and my Total Test is low” shows that you weren’t properly screened and your prescription is pre-mature at best, and negligent at worst.

Secondary Hypogonadism is diagnosed based off labs that show that there is some other reason besides testicular failure that your testosterone levels are low. It could be that your Thyroid, or Pituitary are screwed up. It could be that your body isn’t producing enough LH or FSH to properly stimulate testosterone production. It could be issues with Estrogen or SHBG that is preventing proper testosterone synthesis/binding. Or a myriad of other things that can only be detected through blood-work. Treating this sometimes involves supplemental T, but it is often fixed by simply fixing the underlying cause.

Primary Hypogonadism is pure testicular failure. The testes are getting all the right signals but cannot produce enough testosterone. You still need labs to rule out Secondary Hypogonadism, and to show that everything is running the way it’s supposed to, it’s just the testicles aren’t functioning correctly. The only treatment is TRT.

You didn’t know the differences between the two because you haven’t been properly screened. I know you haven’t been properly screened because you would have mentioned other labs in the “why” of “why you were diagnosed”. You would have given a coherent answer beyond “My T levels are below range”. You’d figure a person who repeatedly tells me how much more they know about testosterone and steroids, would be able to give an actual definition of hypogonadism and the reasons behind their diagnosis. You can lie to yourself all you want, but I know for sure that you are basing your need for TRT off of one test. And if I had to guess, you get your prescriptions from an anti-aging clinic, places notorious for doing the minimum amount of testing to justify prescription, otherwise they might find a reason to NOT give a prescription.

About the Deca you said: “Let’s just go to what is it doing that will hamper me?”

Here’s a list of potential side-effects: http://www.drugs.com/sfx/deca-durabolin-side-effects.html

Any of those could hamper you. I’m sure you’ll respond “LOL, bro. You know how rare those effects are? You and your sophomoric arm-chair doctoring”. You don’t need to bother. You asked how it could hamper you and I gave you an answer.

Now that I bring it up, if you’re going to use a word to try and sound smart, make sure you spell it correctly. It’s “sophomore” not “sophmore”.

So, if you are still-hell bent on not answering anything I ask you, having knee-jerk reactions to any criticism, and are just going to reply with a screed of insults and non-sequiturs, then it looks like we’re done here. I’ll even let you have the last word since I know you’re dying to “lay into me” with what you consider clever quips. If you actually want to discuss something, that’s fine too. I just won’t hold my breath waiting for calm, coherent, conversation from you. Enjoy fucking up your HPTA without knowing why you’re doing it in the first place.

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alkemyst: You’re wrong in that there is only one type of hypogonadism for guys over 40. It is not a complete diagnosis unless it is accompanied by ‘primary’ or ‘secondary’ (or other words indicating the problem is with your pituitary or testicles). You are also wrong about your protocol being “fairly standard”. It is only standard amongst anti-aging clinics operating on the fringe of actual medical practices.

Ctastrophe: You are wrong about Deca, completely. It has shown great benefits in low doses for joint/tendon repairs.

Now will you two ladies knock it off?

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[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
alkemyst: You’re wrong in that there is only one type of hypogonadism for guys over 40. It is not a complete diagnosis unless it is accompanied by ‘primary’ or ‘secondary’ (or other words indicating the problem is with your pituitary or testicles). You are also wrong about your protocol being “fairly standard”. It is only standard amongst anti-aging clinics operating on the fringe of actual medical practices.

Ctastrophe: You are wrong about Deca, completely. It has shown great benefits in low doses for joint/tendon repairs.

Now will you two ladies knock it off?[/quote]

The reason Deca’s joint benefits don’t apply to SLAP repairs is because in a SLAP repair you have cartilage being sutured to bone which has little holes drilled in it to pull the suture through and tie it. Deca is said to “lubricate” joints, but what are you going to be “lubricating”? It works well as an anti-inflammatory type thing, which is useless for a reconstruction like a SLAP repair. Unless it can meld cartilage to bone, or regrow bone, it would be pointless in this situation. I was aware of Deca’s joint benefits, but I was trying to figure out if he knew why he was taking it and the reason his “doctor” gave it to him. I guess it could be considered useful later on in the rehab from a SLAP repair, but it doesn’t make sense (at least to me) to run it this early when recovery is dependent on cartilage and bone.

But yeah, this lady is done replying to the other, as I said at the end of my last post.

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[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
alkemyst: You’re wrong in that there is only one type of hypogonadism for guys over 40. It is not a complete diagnosis unless it is accompanied by ‘primary’ or ‘secondary’ (or other words indicating the problem is with your pituitary or testicles). You are also wrong about your protocol being “fairly standard”. It is only standard amongst anti-aging clinics operating on the fringe of actual medical practices.

Ctastrophe: You are wrong about Deca, completely. It has shown great benefits in low doses for joint/tendon repairs.

Now will you two ladies knock it off?[/quote]

I will ask about the primary or secondary. It’s not that important to me either way as the end results are the same.

At 8 weeks they will be reevaluateing my meds.

200mg of Test Cyp a week is not a lot really defintely nothing like a ‘stack’.

From the whole anti-aging vs other biblical war, the philosophies are relatively the same (not counting those that are scamming)…anti-aging routines seem to want to get one to the higher levels of T and pure TRT want to get one back in to the 500-600 ball park.

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I asked about my labs and diagnosis and was told I am in the mixed category of primary and secondary hypogonadism. It could be my weight gain/lack of activity for the past five years due to injuries, could be the amount of alcohol I was drinking 10+ years ago, could be my age. There is nothing to indicate that they should dive deeper. There is no indication that I have cancer or something else that requires treatment.

Also my dose of 200mg/week is well within range of TRT replacement especially considering I have been down a good 5 years due to injury and based on my muscle mass prior to this. They did say the Deca part may be looked at by some as extreme, but there really isn’t a lot of downside and I have the conditions that lend to it’s benefits. He also told me I will more than likely not be prescribed Deca anymore after this.

I was told not to worry about the 200mg/week dose and also he (and I agree) wants to keep me in the higher end of the accepted range but in no way would this be the level someone that is juicing would be at. He told me again my 10 weeks is about what someone abusing steroids would take in a month or less. I sort of trust him as he is not only a doctor, but an athlete.