[quote]downintucson wrote:
Danny John wrote:
That is the finest post in any of my PT’s so far. Do, then ask. Good.
Thank you. Now, I was wondering about doing OH split squats using jump-stretch bands with clubbells while standing on a stability ball…
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Hahahahahah very funny:)
You didn’t mention the tempo. It is all about the tempo…
[quote]downintucson wrote:
Danny John wrote:
That is the finest post in any of my PT’s so far. Do, then ask. Good.
Thank you. Now, I was wondering about doing OH split squats using jump-stretch bands with clubbells while standing on a stability ball…
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I wrote that? I am not sure I know what that means…
[quote]Levi1 wrote:
Danny John wrote:
Either, both, whatever…
That’s a good answer, too.
Most people do just Power Cleans, that is why the book has it discussed so much…
Levi1 wrote:
BPC wrote:
Levi1 wrote:
Hello Dan,
I’ve set goals to compete in the O-lifts next year so, with that in mind, should I continue to train the power clean (that’s all I’ve ever done) or should I rebuild with the squat clean?
Thanks.
I’m definitely not Dan but going off of his answer to similiar questions, I’d say rebuild w/the squat clean and stay away from the “power variations.” That’s what his “From the Ground Up” states too (Dick Notmeyer).
Just trying to help. I’m still learning a TON each day!!!
Thanks for your thoughts, BPC.
That would be my inclination also, but his book has far more references to the power clean than to the squat clean. Though I imagine Dan will say something like “either, both, whatever.”
Understood. Thanks.
One more question: I recall you writing that someone shouldn’t do full squats if their tail tucks under at the bottom. What are your suggestions as to how to correct this?
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[quote]Danny John wrote:
You didn’t mention the tempo. It is all about the tempo…
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Silly me. Now, is 604 the best tempo for hyooge muscles or is it only for ginormous muscles (maybe 513 is the the tempo for hyooge…I can never remember).
Dan,
Why do throwers, who would seem to have really strong hamstrings from all of the olifting, be really prone to snapping hamstrings when sprinting on a flat surface as opposed to hills?
I think I read an earlier post by you that you don’t believe in “balancing out” your weak side by throwing equally w/your weak side (left for most). So do you have one side that is stronger than the other for throwing stuff and lifting weights (dumbbells, kettlebells,etc)? For my sledgehammer work, somebody suggested switching sides to balance it all out but I would never use a sledgehammer or whatever activity I would be doing (chopping wood, throwing a football, etc in the “real world”) w/my weak hand. What do you think?
If I don’t have a sled, what about getting my 5 year old son who is 50 lbs to ride on my back piggyback style while I walk up a steep hill? Similiar results/benefits?
I thought it was you. I can’t find the post now. What I’m referring to is at the bottom of a full squat when you lose the curvature in your lower back and your “tail bone” rotates forward.
[quote]Danny John wrote:
I wrote that? I am not sure I know what that means…
Levi1 wrote:
Danny John wrote:
Either, both, whatever…
That’s a good answer, too.
Most people do just Power Cleans, that is why the book has it discussed so much…
Levi1 wrote:
BPC wrote:
Levi1 wrote:
Hello Dan,
I’ve set goals to compete in the O-lifts next year so, with that in mind, should I continue to train the power clean (that’s all I’ve ever done) or should I rebuild with the squat clean?
Thanks.
I’m definitely not Dan but going off of his answer to similiar questions, I’d say rebuild w/the squat clean and stay away from the “power variations.” That’s what his “From the Ground Up” states too (Dick Notmeyer).
Just trying to help. I’m still learning a TON each day!!!
Thanks for your thoughts, BPC.
That would be my inclination also, but his book has far more references to the power clean than to the squat clean. Though I imagine Dan will say something like “either, both, whatever.”
Understood. Thanks.
One more question: I recall you writing that someone shouldn’t do full squats if their tail tucks under at the bottom. What are your suggestions as to how to correct this?
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No idea. I just have observed this and found it nearly universal. Nothing worse than losing a thrower to some stupid training idea. It’s like the shot putter who was throwing really far and blew his knees jumping off boxes…he was already the best, but someone came up with the idea that acting like a 165 pound high jumper was a good idea.
I don’t think I said that…we do quite a bit of “goofy side” throwing at discus camp. I have a lot of imbalances. There is a pic of me and Rande Treece and I look like I have a Mr. Universe right arm a chicken wing left arm. Hey, if you want to be good, it can’t be perfect.
I can’t be responsible for anything like that.
[quote]BPC wrote:
Dan,
Why do throwers, who would seem to have really strong hamstrings from all of the olifting, be really prone to snapping hamstrings when sprinting on a flat surface as opposed to hills?
I think I read an earlier post by you that you don’t believe in “balancing out” your weak side by throwing equally w/your weak side (left for most). So do you have one side that is stronger than the other for throwing stuff and lifting weights (dumbbells, kettlebells,etc)? For my sledgehammer work, somebody suggested switching sides to balance it all out but I would never use a sledgehammer or whatever activity I would be doing (chopping wood, throwing a football, etc in the “real world”) w/my weak hand. What do you think?
If I don’t have a sled, what about getting my 5 year old son who is 50 lbs to ride on my back piggyback style while I walk up a steep hill? Similiar results/benefits?
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Well, it does do that. In the back squat, I think that is normal. At the Murray Institute for Lifelong Fitness, that is basically how everyone squats. this is the problem with the internet, we might be thinking radically different things, yet we are discussing what we think is the same thing. So, from what I understand, you are fine. The tail shoots in at the end for lots of people.
[quote]Levi1 wrote:
I thought it was you. I can’t find the post now. What I’m referring to is at the bottom of a full squat when you lose the curvature in your lower back and your “tail bone” rotates forward.
Danny John wrote:
I wrote that? I am not sure I know what that means…
Levi1 wrote:
Danny John wrote:
Either, both, whatever…
That’s a good answer, too.
Most people do just Power Cleans, that is why the book has it discussed so much…
Levi1 wrote:
BPC wrote:
Levi1 wrote:
Hello Dan,
I’ve set goals to compete in the O-lifts next year so, with that in mind, should I continue to train the power clean (that’s all I’ve ever done) or should I rebuild with the squat clean?
Thanks.
I’m definitely not Dan but going off of his answer to similiar questions, I’d say rebuild w/the squat clean and stay away from the “power variations.” That’s what his “From the Ground Up” states too (Dick Notmeyer).
Just trying to help. I’m still learning a TON each day!!!
Thanks for your thoughts, BPC.
That would be my inclination also, but his book has far more references to the power clean than to the squat clean. Though I imagine Dan will say something like “either, both, whatever.”
Understood. Thanks.
One more question: I recall you writing that someone shouldn’t do full squats if their tail tucks under at the bottom. What are your suggestions as to how to correct this?
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[quote]Danny John wrote:
No idea. I just have observed this and found it nearly universal. Nothing worse than losing a thrower to some stupid training idea. It’s like the shot putter who was throwing really far and blew his knees jumping off boxes…he was already the best, but someone came up with the idea that acting like a 165 pound high jumper was a good idea.
I don’t think I said that…we do quite a bit of “goofy side” throwing at discus camp. I have a lot of imbalances. There is a pic of me and Rande Treece and I look like I have a Mr. Universe right arm a chicken wing left arm. Hey, if you want to be good, it can’t be perfect.
I can’t be responsible for anything like that.
BPC wrote:
Dan,
Why do throwers, who would seem to have really strong hamstrings from all of the olifting, be really prone to snapping hamstrings when sprinting on a flat surface as opposed to hills?
I think I read an earlier post by you that you don’t believe in “balancing out” your weak side by throwing equally w/your weak side (left for most). So do you have one side that is stronger than the other for throwing stuff and lifting weights (dumbbells, kettlebells,etc)? For my sledgehammer work, somebody suggested switching sides to balance it all out but I would never use a sledgehammer or whatever activity I would be doing (chopping wood, throwing a football, etc in the “real world”) w/my weak hand. What do you think?
If I don’t have a sled, what about getting my 5 year old son who is 50 lbs to ride on my back piggyback style while I walk up a steep hill? Similiar results/benefits?
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Makes sense.
Obviously this imbalance doesn’t affect your overhead pressing though huh?
gotcha:) It was a poor attempt at a joke:)
I’m sorry, I didn’t realize it was a joke. As a child, my keepers used to jolt me whenever I laughed. I had to endure “Your Show of Shows” with Sid Caesar and “Laugh In”…as well as Johnny Carson without laughing.
It left scars.
[quote]BPC wrote:
Danny John wrote:
No idea. I just have observed this and found it nearly universal. Nothing worse than losing a thrower to some stupid training idea. It’s like the shot putter who was throwing really far and blew his knees jumping off boxes…he was already the best, but someone came up with the idea that acting like a 165 pound high jumper was a good idea.
I don’t think I said that…we do quite a bit of “goofy side” throwing at discus camp. I have a lot of imbalances. There is a pic of me and Rande Treece and I look like I have a Mr. Universe right arm a chicken wing left arm. Hey, if you want to be good, it can’t be perfect.
I can’t be responsible for anything like that.
BPC wrote:
Dan,
Why do throwers, who would seem to have really strong hamstrings from all of the olifting, be really prone to snapping hamstrings when sprinting on a flat surface as opposed to hills?
I think I read an earlier post by you that you don’t believe in “balancing out” your weak side by throwing equally w/your weak side (left for most). So do you have one side that is stronger than the other for throwing stuff and lifting weights (dumbbells, kettlebells,etc)? For my sledgehammer work, somebody suggested switching sides to balance it all out but I would never use a sledgehammer or whatever activity I would be doing (chopping wood, throwing a football, etc in the “real world”) w/my weak hand. What do you think?
If I don’t have a sled, what about getting my 5 year old son who is 50 lbs to ride on my back piggyback style while I walk up a steep hill? Similiar results/benefits?
Makes sense.
Obviously this imbalance doesn’t affect your overhead pressing though huh?
gotcha:) It was a poor attempt at a joke:)
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Alright, I’ll leave it alone then. Sorry to misquote you. Thanks for the help.
[quote]Danny John wrote:
Well, it does do that. In the back squat, I think that is normal. At the Murray Institute for Lifelong Fitness, that is basically how everyone squats. this is the problem with the internet, we might be thinking radically different things, yet we are discussing what we think is the same thing. So, from what I understand, you are fine. The tail shoots in at the end for lots of people.
Levi1 wrote:
I thought it was you. I can’t find the post now. What I’m referring to is at the bottom of a full squat when you lose the curvature in your lower back and your “tail bone” rotates forward.
Danny John wrote:
I wrote that? I am not sure I know what that means…
Understood. Thanks.
One more question: I recall you writing that someone shouldn’t do full squats if their tail tucks under at the bottom. What are your suggestions as to how to correct this?
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If you are still on. I’m throwing tomorrow night and the Norcal masters are on Saturday. I’ve taken your advice and only take two warm-up throws. For all your readers, finally getting the overhead squat down has made everything else go. The “halos” has also loosened up my shoulders. Don’t fall off the roof.
Can an athlete get away with not back squating at all. My gym does not have a squat rack, I wanted to know if overhead squats, single leg exercises with dumbells, and occassional olympic lifts(i say occasionally because i have only trained for about a year and i also dont know anyone who is a qualified coach just yet).
My reasoning tells my that i probably could, just because I cant envision a times during my chosen sport, which is baseball, that some load would be placed upon my back with me not first lifting it up to that point anyway. I probably dont understand the entire physiology behind the squat and i do understand the need for a certain amount of spinal loading as eric cressey has mentioned before, but his recent double tap showed some other ways by which to do that.
One last thing would be that my gym does have a smith machine but i worry about using it especially considering the potentional for pattern overload and the inability to find the groove that best fits your own body. What are your opinions of the smith machine.
Good luck to you. I’m off to give a workshop, but I’m glad to hear from you. I will be in Southern California all next week, so, if you have a chance, come on down. Tiff and the girls are hauling over to Disneyland (I guess it is like a resort or park or something) and I’m at the discus camp.
Two warmups. Good.
[quote]Gary John wrote:
If you are still on. I’m throwing tomorrow night and the Norcal masters are on Saturday. I’ve taken your advice and only take two warm-up throws. For all your readers, finally getting the overhead squat down has made everything else go. The “halos” has also loosened up my shoulders. Don’t fall off the roof.[/quote]
Coach,
I was going to PM you with this message, but I dont’ mind if the whole board reads it. Thank you for your writing, especially FROM THE GROUND UP and FROM DAD TO GRAD. They both cleared a lot of crap out of my head. I read a lot about all kinds of subjects and sometimes I come across a writer that just makes sense; like they have a connection with the truth and are writing just to help other people find it also without having to going through all the failure and pain they did (hope that makes sense). You’ve improved my lifting, but not as much as you’ve helped change the way I look at life. Thanks for being a Christian role model.
NOW that I’ve kissed your butt, on to the real reason for this post:
How long should I take between sets when supersetting Tabatas and High Rep OH squats? On a related note…do you ever have strange visions and wake up face down in the oil spot in your garage…er gym?
Up to the last paragraph, I was all fired up. Then, you asked me about the Smith Machine. Honestly, do I look like Richard Simmons? Be honest. Be brutal. “Hi, I’m Dan John and people think I use the Smith Machine.”
I know I can use nonPolitically Correct language here at T-Nation, but if I could, I would call the Smith Machine the biggest (PC…edited) (deleted) (PC…edited) (deleted) hunk of (deleted) (PC…edited) ever made. It is so (deleted) (PC…edited) that I shudder thinking someone would have to ask me my opinion.
If you are doing Overhead Squats and Bulgarian Split Squats…and the O lifts, you are MILES ahead of the crowd. Don’t add Back Squats ever, if you want my opinion. I didn’t do Back Squats until my Junior year in college after years of Front Squats. My first impression? Why would anyone do them? Later, I got addicted to all the weight you could lift Back Squatting, I have NOTHING BUT REGRETS from doing them!
Other than that…
[quote]brotzfrog10 wrote:
Can an athlete get away with not back squating at all. My gym does not have a squat rack, I wanted to know if overhead squats, single leg exercises with dumbells, and occassional olympic lifts(i say occasionally because i have only trained for about a year and i also dont know anyone who is a qualified coach just yet).
My reasoning tells my that i probably could, just because I cant envision a times during my chosen sport, which is baseball, that some load would be placed upon my back with me not first lifting it up to that point anyway. I probably dont understand the entire physiology behind the squat and i do understand the need for a certain amount of spinal loading as eric cressey has mentioned before, but his recent double tap showed some other ways by which to do that.
One last thing would be that my gym does have a smith machine but i worry about using it especially considering the potentional for pattern overload and the inability to find the groove that best fits your own body. What are your opinions of the smith machine.[/quote]
Like I said, Levi, we might be talking about radically different things…sorry I couldn’t explain things better.
[quote]Levi1 wrote:
Alright, I’ll leave it alone then. Sorry to misquote you. Thanks for the help.
Danny John wrote:
Well, it does do that. In the back squat, I think that is normal. At the Murray Institute for Lifelong Fitness, that is basically how everyone squats. this is the problem with the internet, we might be thinking radically different things, yet we are discussing what we think is the same thing. So, from what I understand, you are fine. The tail shoots in at the end for lots of people.
Levi1 wrote:
I thought it was you. I can’t find the post now. What I’m referring to is at the bottom of a full squat when you lose the curvature in your lower back and your “tail bone” rotates forward.
Danny John wrote:
I wrote that? I am not sure I know what that means…
Understood. Thanks.
One more question: I recall you writing that someone shouldn’t do full squats if their tail tucks under at the bottom. What are your suggestions as to how to correct this?
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[quote]brotzfrog10 wrote:
Can an athlete get away with not back squating at all. My gym does not have a squat rack, I wanted to know if overhead squats, single leg exercises with dumbells, and occassional olympic lifts(i say occasionally because i have only trained for about a year and i also dont know anyone who is a qualified coach just yet).
My reasoning tells my that i probably could, just because I cant envision a times during my chosen sport, which is baseball, that some load would be placed upon my back with me not first lifting it up to that point anyway. I probably dont understand the entire physiology behind the squat and i do understand the need for a certain amount of spinal loading as eric cressey has mentioned before, but his recent double tap showed some other ways by which to do that.
One last thing would be that my gym does have a smith machine but i worry about using it especially considering the potentional for pattern overload and the inability to find the groove that best fits your own body. What are your opinions of the smith machine.[/quote]
You could also clean the bar to your shoulders and do front squats. Gives you another variation.
You need to try Tabatas first…then realize the error of your question. There is thought error here: you do Tabatas THEN do something else…
[quote]thebrowser wrote:
Coach,
I was going to PM you with this message, but I dont’ mind if the whole board reads it. Thank you for your writing, especially FROM THE GROUND UP and FROM DAD TO GRAD. They both cleared a lot of crap out of my head. I read a lot about all kinds of subjects and sometimes I come across a writer that just makes sense; like they have a connection with the truth and are writing just to help other people find it also without having to going through all the failure and pain they did (hope that makes sense). You’ve improved my lifting, but not as much as you’ve helped change the way I look at life. Thanks for being a Christian role model.
NOW that I’ve kissed your butt, on to the real reason for this post:
How long should I take between sets when supersetting Tabatas and High Rep OH squats? On a related note…do you ever have strange visions and wake up face down in the oil spot in your garage…er gym?
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