Fall in line means stop killing our friends and family who work in office buildings in downtown Manhattan.
Orion…save it. It’s not so much tough love as a former almost great power still wanting a say in world affairs. Much like France.
Austria no longer has enough at stake or makes enough of a contribution for the US to take heed of your public opinion. Sorry if you don’t like to hear it but your time on the world stage passed 60 years ago.
[quote]hedo wrote:
Fall in line means stop killing our friends and family who work in office buildings in downtown Manhattan.
Orion…save it. It’s not so much tough love as a former almost great power still wanting a say in world affairs. Much like France.
Austria no longer has enough at stake or makes enough of a contribution for the US to take heed of your public opinion. Sorry if you don’t like to hear it but your time on the world stage passed 60 years ago.[/quote]
Just like the U.S., if we keep this shit up.
Harris,
Yes the list of people who have bet against us is long. Add your name to the list. We’ll see what happens.
Bet against the US at your own peril.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
I am amazed that the Iraqis provided most of the security for the election.
Things seem to be getting better at a faster pace.
Of course they still have to deal with the tiny minority of terrorists that are blowing up car bombs in crowds, but this will end.
The systematic corruption in the government bothers me too, but that is par for the course in much of the world.
All in all things are much better than the MSM tries to portray.
Next step is bringing some troops home. I hope we can start drawing down our troop levels soon. [/quote]
I was also glad to see the Iraqi Police doing the security. Ive always wondered how long it would take for them to step up and take care of business.
But, Im not so sure about the bombing and stuff. I think it will continue for a long time. I dont think they will ever stop that.
But, yes is is definitely a step in the right direction. And I agree. It is time to scale back the forces and worry about other things that seem to have been swept under the rug.
Goku
[quote]hedo wrote:
Harris,
Yes the list of people who have bet against us is long. Add your name to the list. We’ll see what happens.
Bet against the US at your own peril.[/quote]
do you realize what a fucking douchebag you sound like? “bet against the us at your own peril”? WOW the arrogance is overwhelming
[quote]hedo wrote:
Harris,
Yes the list of people who have bet against us is long. Add your name to the list. We’ll see what happens.
Bet against the US at your own peril.[/quote]
And you don’t think the Romans said this same thing? Or Alexander the Great? Or the British after Waterloo, up until WWII? We can’t fight the world. And there is no reason to want too. You can’t simply invade countries for not disagreeing with us! No country has to fall in line with what we want! This is why they have a different country with different politics and different systems. Hedo, normally you are reasonable, but you are seriously not living in reality if you think that the US can, or should, follow that line of thinking in foreign policy.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
hedo wrote:
Harris,
Yes the list of people who have bet against us is long. Add your name to the list. We’ll see what happens.
Bet against the US at your own peril.
And you don’t think the Romans said this same thing? Or Alexander the Great? Or the British after Waterloo, up until WWII? We can’t fight the world. And there is no reason to want too. You can’t simply invade countries for not disagreeing with us! No country has to fall in line with what we want! This is why they have a different country with different politics and different systems. Hedo, normally you are reasonable, but you are seriously not living in reality if you think that the US can, or should, follow that line of thinking in foreign policy.[/quote]
I totally agree, I mean where does this type of thinking come from? Where is it implied that the rest of the world has to “fall in line” or else? What if the shoe was on the other foot and we had Russia or china(just as example) wanting us to change our constitution and so forth because it didnt agree with theirs…not only that but if you dont change “watch out”!! THis type of thinking really bothers me and it is very prevelant,and i’ll say it again; you shouldnt go to war unless ABSOLUTELY necessary…
[quote]reddog6376 wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
I thought we set out to find weapons of mass destruction. Or find a link to Sept. 11. My mistake. The premises for war change quicker than the news can catch them I guess.
Bush’s speech to the UN on 9-12-02 lays out the reasons for going to war with Iraq. #1 was & still is Iraq failure to comply with the treaty he signed at the end on Gulf War I, and the numerous UN sanctions that followed.
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best post in the entire thread, and i am not surprised that it has not been responded to. this statement of fact diffuses every other arguement against AND for our war with iraq. in an interview with chris mathews, john mccain used this very arguement and all the liberals that were on that show had no response to it either.
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All of this “we” talk really pisses me off sometimes when the reality is, very few americans in relation are actually willing to FIGHT for their country.[/quote]
true, i have often said that if china rolled up to our borders with the entire red army, about 40-50% of the sheeple in this country would rather wave a white flag and start learning the new state language than actually fight. it is for this reason that i new there would be such feverish opposition to a more ambiguous war such as the one we are in now.
i would hope that most fair minded and semi intelligent people (be liberal or conservative) would agree that due to our current convntional and nuclear military power, that we do not have an enemy willing to face us on the open battlefield. that our enemies will rely on terror, economics, and politics and a combination of such, to attack us.
now what i think the question is how we combat such attacks. our current administration and 40-50% of our population is convinced that using our military preemptively is an appropriate response. well, the other 40-50% and the minority party in this country, well, just look at the majority of the posts on this forum.
what i am willing to debate what manner we should respond to aggression from our enemies. that islamo-facists are our enemies is not up for debate in my opinion.
[quote]hedo wrote:
Fall in line means stop killing our friends and family who work in office buildings in downtown Manhattan.
Orion…save it. It’s not so much tough love as a former almost great power still wanting a say in world affairs. Much like France.
Austria no longer has enough at stake or makes enough of a contribution for the US to take heed of your public opinion. Sorry if you don’t like to hear it but your time on the world stage passed 60 years ago.[/quote]
But we are part of Europe now! And as you have seen with Turky we have some leverage, if we want to.
Anyway, I?m not only Austrian, I?m also European and I do think that Europe has a future. A bright, shining one!
PS: Were do you think the US will be in 60 years?
[quote]mmg_4 wrote:
hedo wrote:
Harris,
Yes the list of people who have bet against us is long. Add your name to the list. We’ll see what happens.
Bet against the US at your own peril.
do you realize what a fucking douchebag you sound like? “bet against the us at your own peril”? WOW the arrogance is overwhelming[/quote]
No do you? Why don’t you try and say something that is either intelligent funny or entertaining instead of just pathetic and childish…asshole.
I just read your previous posts. No info listed. Most of what you have written is negative or an attack against someone looking for a reaction…another troll, maybe one of the same ones under a new moniker. Too funny.
Typical liberal…nothing to say but they need to say it anyway.
Fightin
I am not talking about us against the world. And I am not talking about taking on the world. A large part of the world supports us. It’s really only the former great powers of Europe and the anti-war crowd in the US that doesn’t.
All I am saying is that the world needs leadership and doing anything is better then doing nothing. Doing nothing has never worked.
I could use the same argument and say appeasment doesn’t work…never has. Particularly in the middle east, weakness does not get you anywhere.
[quote]orion wrote:
hedo wrote:
Fall in line means stop killing our friends and family who work in office buildings in downtown Manhattan.
Orion…save it. It’s not so much tough love as a former almost great power still wanting a say in world affairs. Much like France.
Austria no longer has enough at stake or makes enough of a contribution for the US to take heed of your public opinion. Sorry if you don’t like to hear it but your time on the world stage passed 60 years ago.
But we are part of Europe now! And as you have seen with Turky we have some leverage, if we want to.
Anyway, I?m not only Austrian, I?m also European and I do think that Europe has a future. A bright, shining one!
PS: Were do you think the US will be in 60 years?
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I think the gap will widen in 60 years. The socialist models of Europe do not work and more then a few failed states will come out of Europe. Similar to the last 1/2 of the last century. The Islamic influence will absolutely sink a few countries as the liberal social values are in no way capable of dealing with Islamic conservatism. The birth rates in Europe are falling dramatically and the Islamic immigration is not. Do the math.
The Chinese will make a run but will be contained by Japan and a united Korea to a degree. I see India rising and being SE Asia military and economic power.
My two cents the US has a large head start and enough wisdom to maintain it’s economic and military lead as superpower.
Why so optomistic for Austria? Something the rest of the world is missing?
[quote]orion wrote:
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PS: Were do you think the US will be in 60 years?
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Right in the middle of North America. The only real question is whether we will have annexed Canada and Mexico yet.
[quote]hedo wrote:
orion wrote:
hedo wrote:
Fall in line means stop killing our friends and family who work in office buildings in downtown Manhattan.
Orion…save it. It’s not so much tough love as a former almost great power still wanting a say in world affairs. Much like France.
Austria no longer has enough at stake or makes enough of a contribution for the US to take heed of your public opinion. Sorry if you don’t like to hear it but your time on the world stage passed 60 years ago.
But we are part of Europe now! And as you have seen with Turky we have some leverage, if we want to.
Anyway, I?m not only Austrian, I?m also European and I do think that Europe has a future. A bright, shining one!
PS: Were do you think the US will be in 60 years?
I think the gap will widen in 60 years. The socialist models of Europe do not work and more then a few failed states will come out of Europe. Similar to the last 1/2 of the last century. The Islamic influence will absolutely sink a few countries as the liberal social values are in no way capable of dealing with Islamic conservatism. The birth rates in Europe are falling dramatically and the Islamic immigration is not. Do the math.
The Chinese will make a run but will be contained by Japan and a united Korea to a degree. I see India rising and being SE Asia military and economic power.
My two cents the US has a large head start and enough wisdom to maintain it’s economic and military lead as superpower.
Why so optomistic for Austria? Something the rest of the world is missing?
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Why so optimistic? Well, first of all we have been around for a thousand years. That makes me believe we are pretty good at just sticking around.
Second, even if our “socialist” modell totally fails and we have to accept that the US way is the right one for us, we?ll just reform our system and then we will be able to compete again.
Third, we have no real problems. Seriously, we don?t. Not compared to other countries anyway.
Plus, think about the possbibilties if that Europe- thing works… and we will make it work, the alternatives are unacceptable.
[quote]hedo wrote:
mmg_4 wrote:
hedo wrote:
Harris,
Yes the list of people who have bet against us is long. Add your name to the list. We’ll see what happens.
Bet against the US at your own peril.
do you realize what a fucking douchebag you sound like? “bet against the us at your own peril”? WOW the arrogance is overwhelming
No do you? Why don’t you try and say something that is either intelligent funny or entertaining instead of just pathetic and childish…asshole.
I just read your previous posts. No info listed. Most of what you have written is negative or an attack against someone looking for a reaction…another troll, maybe one of the same ones under a new moniker. Too funny.
Typical liberal…nothing to say but they need to say it anyway.
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No, actually if you read my first post i asked a relatively simple and obvious question; and was politely told i smoked too much weed. THen i made another post, and was called a crackhead for it. So, from that point on, i figured it was fair game, or par for the course. Oh, and im not a republican, democrat, i just call it like i see it.
Everything OBVIOUS ive asked were honest questions I thought i could get some HONEST analysis on…Because really, ever since the current president has been in office, a lot of it is quite perplexing to say the least.And all i got was shut down or hurled insults at for having an opposing viewpoint, quite sad really. Whatever, I guess ignorance is bliss, and you my friend, from reading your posts about US domination,are both ignorant and arrogant.
Regarding the “We saved you from the Nazis!”-argument:
The only reason there was a Nazi-regime in Germany to begin with was the German defeat in World War I and the botched peace-treaty at Versailles. Had the United States not intervened in World War I, Germany would most certainly have won or at least been capable of forcing a more favorable peace-settlement. Hence, there would have been no Nazis in Germany. Now, I’m not saying that the United States is to blame for creating Hitler or that Europe would have been some kind of peaceful haven if Germany had won World War I. But fact of the matter is that US intervention played a critical role in the history leading up to World War II.
If we think about US-Euro relations during the Cold War, I think it was a two-way street. Yes, our American friends/allies were dandy to have around in that situation, and we’re grateful for the back-up - but who had to live right there on the future nuclear battleground anyway? The Soviet tank armies were not about to invade Iowa…
[quote]pragmatist wrote:
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If we think about US-Euro relations during the Cold War, I think it was a two-way street. Yes, our American friends/allies were dandy to have around in that situation, and we’re grateful for the back-up - but who had to live right there on the future nuclear battleground anyway? The Soviet tank armies were not about to invade Iowa…[/quote]
All the more reason to be thankful our people stood shoulder to shoulder with the Western Europeans to halt Soviet aggression instead of burying our heads in the sand.
[quote]pragmatist wrote:
…Yes, our American friends/allies were dandy to have around in that situation, and we’re grateful for the back-up - but who had to live right there on the future nuclear battleground anyway? The Soviet tank armies were not about to invade Iowa…[/quote]
I guaran-damn-tee you that had there been “Soviet tank armies” about to invade Iowa, the Europeans (except for G.B.) would have sat on their lazy asses and let it happen.
Europe will never be great. It will always be in the shadow of it’s younger cousin - and you guys hate that. What’s funny is that the Euros are just too fucking lazy to do a damn thing about it. Just to be clear - sitting around and looking down your noses at us, or grinning with your horrible dental work, doesn’t qualitfy as doing anything.
I find it hilarious that we have an Austrian on here telling us how great Europe is. If you guys were even worth your own piss you would be fighting to keep your national identity - but you guys are too lazy to even do that. For that reason alone the U.S. will NEVER have to worry about the EU being much more than the joke it is right now.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
pragmatist wrote:
…Yes, our American friends/allies were dandy to have around in that situation, and we’re grateful for the back-up - but who had to live right there on the future nuclear battleground anyway? The Soviet tank armies were not about to invade Iowa…
I guaran-damn-tee you that had there been “Soviet tank armies” about to invade Iowa, the Europeans (except for G.B.) would have sat on their lazy asses and let it happen.
Europe will never be great. It will always be in the shadow of it’s younger cousin - and you guys hate that. What’s funny is that the Euros are just too fucking lazy to do a damn thing about it. Just to be clear - sitting around and looking down your noses at us, or grinning with your horrible dental work, doesn’t qualitfy as doing anything.
I find it hilarious that we have an Austrian on here telling us how great Europe is. If you guys were even worth your own piss you would be fighting to keep your national identity - but you guys are too lazy to even do that. For that reason alone the U.S. will NEVER have to worry about the EU being much more than the joke it is right now.
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You have one thing right, the US will never have to worry the EU being much more than the joke it is right now.
Because a second democratic superpower that shares basic ideas with the US like freedom, democracy, a (more or less) free market, that might actually be a good thing. Even for the US. So what is there to worry about?