[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
I have not really commented on whether or not I believe pot should or should not be illegal. However, it is illegal and there is a perfectly reasonable way to avoid suffering any of the legal consequences. Until it is legal, if you smoke, buy, or sell it you are committing a crime. I simply cannot understand trying to play the victim when you knowingly commit a crime and actually have to suffer the consequences.
That said, I would not drink at all if it was illegal for me to do so. I would feel the same way about people crying victim if they were arrested for drinking and it was illegal. Comparing potheads in prison to political prisoners is insulting to all those that have suffered that fate and is outright ignorant. [/quote]
Have you ever heard of civil disobedience . Our country was founded on disobedience [/quote]
Yes but you really want to compare fighting for your right to smoke pot with that of fighting for the right to be free of imperial rule and taxation from a foreign land or the fight for civil rights? Those causes seem equivalent to you?
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To Pitt yes, to normal people no.
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Although I don’t advocate the legalization of drugs; from a civil liberty point of view they are equivalent.
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They are equivalent in that they both involve civil liberty issues, however the lasting connotations and magnitude of reach are wildly disproportionate. That’s like saying a tornado and a light summer breeze are equivalent because they are both wind.
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
I have not really commented on whether or not I believe pot should or should not be illegal. However, it is illegal and there is a perfectly reasonable way to avoid suffering any of the legal consequences. Until it is legal, if you smoke, buy, or sell it you are committing a crime. I simply cannot understand trying to play the victim when you knowingly commit a crime and actually have to suffer the consequences.
That said, I would not drink at all if it was illegal for me to do so. I would feel the same way about people crying victim if they were arrested for drinking and it was illegal. Comparing potheads in prison to political prisoners is insulting to all those that have suffered that fate and is outright ignorant. [/quote]
Have you ever heard of civil disobedience . Our country was founded on disobedience [/quote]
Yes but you really want to compare fighting for your right to smoke pot with that of fighting for the right to be free of imperial rule and taxation from a foreign land or the fight for civil rights? Those causes seem equivalent to you?
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To Pitt yes, to normal people no.
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Although I don’t advocate the legalization of drugs; from a civil liberty point of view they are equivalent.
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They are equivalent in that they both involve civil liberty issues, however the lasting connotations and magnitude of reach are wildly disproportionate. That’s like saying a tornado and a light summer breeze are equivalent because they are both wind. [/quote]
I contend you have it wrong , it is like saying a summer wind is a tornado
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
I have not really commented on whether or not I believe pot should or should not be illegal. However, it is illegal and there is a perfectly reasonable way to avoid suffering any of the legal consequences. Until it is legal, if you smoke, buy, or sell it you are committing a crime. I simply cannot understand trying to play the victim when you knowingly commit a crime and actually have to suffer the consequences.
That said, I would not drink at all if it was illegal for me to do so. I would feel the same way about people crying victim if they were arrested for drinking and it was illegal. Comparing potheads in prison to political prisoners is insulting to all those that have suffered that fate and is outright ignorant. [/quote]
Have you ever heard of civil disobedience . Our country was founded on disobedience [/quote]
Yes but you really want to compare fighting for your right to smoke pot with that of fighting for the right to be free of imperial rule and taxation from a foreign land or the fight for civil rights? Those causes seem equivalent to you?
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To Pitt yes, to normal people no.
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Although I don’t advocate the legalization of drugs; from a civil liberty point of view they are equivalent.
[/quote]
They are equivalent in that they both involve civil liberty issues, however the lasting connotations and magnitude of reach are wildly disproportionate. That’s like saying a tornado and a light summer breeze are equivalent because they are both wind. [/quote]
I contend you have it wrong , it is like saying a summer wind is a tornado
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You lost me.
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
I have not really commented on whether or not I believe pot should or should not be illegal. However, it is illegal and there is a perfectly reasonable way to avoid suffering any of the legal consequences. Until it is legal, if you smoke, buy, or sell it you are committing a crime. I simply cannot understand trying to play the victim when you knowingly commit a crime and actually have to suffer the consequences.
That said, I would not drink at all if it was illegal for me to do so. I would feel the same way about people crying victim if they were arrested for drinking and it was illegal. Comparing potheads in prison to political prisoners is insulting to all those that have suffered that fate and is outright ignorant. [/quote]
Have you ever heard of civil disobedience . Our country was founded on disobedience [/quote]
Yes but you really want to compare fighting for your right to smoke pot with that of fighting for the right to be free of imperial rule and taxation from a foreign land or the fight for civil rights? Those causes seem equivalent to you?
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To Pitt yes, to normal people no.
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Although I don’t advocate the legalization of drugs; from a civil liberty point of view they are equivalent.
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They are equivalent in that they both involve civil liberty issues, however the lasting connotations and magnitude of reach are wildly disproportionate. That’s like saying a tornado and a light summer breeze are equivalent because they are both wind. [/quote]
Theft is theft…the ‘magnitude of reach…’ is nothing more than a personal opinion.
Religiously yes, a sin is a sin. However, legally theft is not theft. The value of the theft makes a difference. By that logic we would be punishing Madoff and Ebbers the same as someone who shoplifted.
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
I have not really commented on whether or not I believe pot should or should not be illegal. However, it is illegal and there is a perfectly reasonable way to avoid suffering any of the legal consequences. Until it is legal, if you smoke, buy, or sell it you are committing a crime. I simply cannot understand trying to play the victim when you knowingly commit a crime and actually have to suffer the consequences.
That said, I would not drink at all if it was illegal for me to do so. I would feel the same way about people crying victim if they were arrested for drinking and it was illegal. Comparing potheads in prison to political prisoners is insulting to all those that have suffered that fate and is outright ignorant. [/quote]
Have you ever heard of civil disobedience . Our country was founded on disobedience [/quote]
Yes but you really want to compare fighting for your right to smoke pot with that of fighting for the right to be free of imperial rule and taxation from a foreign land or the fight for civil rights? Those causes seem equivalent to you?
[/quote]
To Pitt yes, to normal people no.
[/quote]
Although I don’t advocate the legalization of drugs; from a civil liberty point of view they are equivalent.
[/quote]
They are equivalent in that they both involve civil liberty issues, however the lasting connotations and magnitude of reach are wildly disproportionate. That’s like saying a tornado and a light summer breeze are equivalent because they are both wind. [/quote]
I contend you have it wrong , it is like saying a summer wind is a tornado
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You lost me.[/quote]
You are calling me smoking pot (My opinion Summer Breeze) this mass of destruction a (your opinion Tornado)
I never said that. I never said anything about the destructiveness of pot. I merely said that comparing the civil rights movement or the American Revolution (the tornado) to the plight of pot smokers (the summer breeze) is ridiculous.
I also said that you are not a victim if you are punished for breaking the law. You knew the law, you broke it and you suffer the consequences. Suffering consequences does not automatically make you a victim.
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
I never said that. I never said anything about the destructiveness of pot. I merely said that comparing the civil rights movement or the American Revolution (the tornado) to the plight of pot smokers (the summer breeze) is ridiculous.
I also said that you are not a victim if you are punished for breaking the law. You knew the law, you broke it and you suffer the consequences. Suffering consequences does not automatically make you a victim.[/quote]
marijuana-arrests.com this is the fucking TORNADO
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
Comparing potheads in prison to political prisoners is insulting to all those that have suffered that fate and is outright ignorant. [/quote]
Somewhat though isn’t it? Think about it, people most often are political prisoners for doing something that is illegal in their borders but totally legal elsewhere and then we get on our moral high horse and denounce the leaders of that country and praise the courage of that political prisoner. Pot is only illegal depending on where you stand based off imaginary lines in the soil drawn by men hundreds of years ago. It is a sham and a farce and has no real justification for being illegal, the evidence is overwhelming and no one with a truly functioning brain stem thinks it should be illegal for other than personal moral disagreement.
Seriously though I have seen this thread or variations of it for the past 10 years on this site and others and no one can put forth a solid argument why it should be illegal other than arbitrary reasons and especially when faced with the mountain of other things way worse for you that are perfectly legal. The criminalization of marijuana and even more so hemp is politically driven and has no basis in factual reality.
I have thought about it, You think that being born black in South Africa or the US, offending the whims of Kim Jong Un, Hitler, or any Russian leader is the equivalent of smoking what is now an illegal drug. You are only a victim by choice. That is not a victim.
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
I have thought about it, You think that being born black in South Africa or the US, offending the whims of Kim Jong Un, Hitler, or any Russian leader is the equivalent of smoking what is now an illegal drug. You are only a victim by choice. That is not a victim. [/quote]
Profound (not)
So you did not choose to smoke pot?? Therefore choosing victimization?
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
So you did not choose to smoke pot?? Therefore choosing victimization?[/quote]
I have choose to smoke pot for over 40 years now and to this point have not been a victim of an unjust law , I how ever see MANY MANY people that have done the same as I , Obama and many others that have never been caught, go to prison for getting caught… Those are the victims .
It cost them money,liberty ,life and happiness . These are big areas that can follow them through life
There is a really easy way ensure that you are not a victim of this unjust victimization… Don’t smoke pot. Problem solved.
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
There is a really easy way ensure that you are not a victim of this unjust victimization… Don’t smoke pot. Problem solved.[/quote]
I guess we as Americans could just sit back and let others tell us what and what not we can do or we can advocate for change And I am very active on changing these laws .I think that when the older Generation dies pot will be legal or at least I hope so . These are the people that were indoctrinated with the refer madness propaganda
That’s fine and well that you are advocating for the legalization of whatever you want, however until it is legal you are breaking the law and are not really a victim as you are making a choice to do so being fully aware of the consequences.
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
That’s fine and well that you are advocating for the legalization of whatever you want, however until it is legal you are breaking the law and are not really a victim as you are making a choice to do so being fully aware of the consequences.[/quote]
So true 
Actually I would encourage you to advocate for legalization if it is a cause you believe in, I think our country needs more people involved in the process. I don’t always agree with the cause, but that doesn’t mean that I cant respect the effort.
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
Actually I would encourage you to advocate for legalization if it is a cause you believe in, I think our country needs more people involved in the process. I don’t always agree with the cause, but that doesn’t mean that I cant respect the effort. [/quote]
we agree