[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
D, let me ask you this. If alcohol was made illegal would you still actively seek it out to drink if prison time would result in your being caught with it? Or would you just say o well and give up drinking?[/quote]
I’m not going to lie, I’m on the edge of my seat waiting to find out the point of this question.
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
D, let me ask you this. If alcohol was made illegal would you still actively seek it out to drink if prison time would result in your being caught with it? Or would you just say o well and give up drinking?[/quote]
I would probably give it up, but we tried this in our history and it is now not illegal.
I thought a lot about this last night. If you do drugs in your house you should not be arrested, but if you use and then drive or affect any one else while under the influence then it should have the same consequences as drunk driving (which includes prison sentences). This is all that I am saying.
On the alcohol poisoning, how much do you have to drink? A shit ton amount. Yall are acting like a 12 pack of beer is equivalent to shooting up with Heroine. You want to talk about Trolling. You get certain effects when drinking that will let you know when you are approaching alcohol poisoning. You shoot up too much heroine you die, there is no build up of effects.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Are people really acting like there’s some easy solution to the war on drugs? The minimum sentences were put in place for a reason, that reason may have backfired but it was an attempt to fix it. Letting everybody go is just another attempt in the opposite direction that won’t work.
Look at how differently everybody is looking at something as simple as a stop sign?
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I actually agree with you on this.
IMO users of marijuana should be treated like alcohol users. Do whatever you want to in your house, but if you are driving then DUI come into play. Sellers of marijuana should be treated like bars, and liquor stores. If you allow someone to get high in your establishment and they drive and kill someone you are on the hook.
IMO any drug that can kill you because of an overdose (heroine, crack, cocaine…) Should still be treated as it is now, both users and sellers. [/quote]
This is where the war makes no sense, there are food that kill more people that pot . The whole problem of drugs should be treated medically. I have friends that went through successful drug rehabs and they were fucking expensive . But so is incarceration
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Pitt, what food can kill you in one use? Heroine can, crack can, cocaine in a large enougth quantity can. I don’t know any foods that can do that.
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Now you are talking about allergies, and that is completely different from the discussion.
I have not really commented on whether or not I believe pot should or should not be illegal. However, it is illegal and there is a perfectly reasonable way to avoid suffering any of the legal consequences. Until it is legal, if you smoke, buy, or sell it you are committing a crime. I simply cannot understand trying to play the victim when you knowingly commit a crime and actually have to suffer the consequences.
That said, I would not drink at all if it was illegal for me to do so. I would feel the same way about people crying victim if they were arrested for drinking and it was illegal. Comparing potheads in prison to political prisoners is insulting to all those that have suffered that fate and is outright ignorant.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Are people really acting like there’s some easy solution to the war on drugs? The minimum sentences were put in place for a reason, that reason may have backfired but it was an attempt to fix it. Letting everybody go is just another attempt in the opposite direction that won’t work.
Look at how differently everybody is looking at something as simple as a stop sign?
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I actually agree with you on this.
IMO users of marijuana should be treated like alcohol users. Do whatever you want to in your house, but if you are driving then DUI come into play. Sellers of marijuana should be treated like bars, and liquor stores. If you allow someone to get high in your establishment and they drive and kill someone you are on the hook.
IMO any drug that can kill you because of an overdose (heroine, crack, cocaine…) Should still be treated as it is now, both users and sellers. [/quote]
You forgot to add alcohol. Of these 4 drugs, none will kill you from withdrawal with the exception of alcohol.
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
I simply cannot understand trying to play the victim when you knowingly commit a crime and actually have to suffer the consequences.[/quote]
What is the force or fraud issue here? Shouldn’t there be one if the law is going to be involved?
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Are people really acting like there’s some easy solution to the war on drugs? The minimum sentences were put in place for a reason, that reason may have backfired but it was an attempt to fix it. Letting everybody go is just another attempt in the opposite direction that won’t work.
Look at how differently everybody is looking at something as simple as a stop sign?
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I actually agree with you on this.
IMO users of marijuana should be treated like alcohol users. Do whatever you want to in your house, but if you are driving then DUI come into play. Sellers of marijuana should be treated like bars, and liquor stores. If you allow someone to get high in your establishment and they drive and kill someone you are on the hook.
IMO any drug that can kill you because of an overdose (heroine, crack, cocaine…) Should still be treated as it is now, both users and sellers. [/quote]
You forgot to add alcohol. Of these 4 drugs, none will kill you from withdrawal with the exception of alcohol.[/quote]
Please enlighten me. How much and for how long do you have to use alcohol for this to happen?
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
I have not really commented on whether or not I believe pot should or should not be illegal. However, it is illegal and there is a perfectly reasonable way to avoid suffering any of the legal consequences. Until it is legal, if you smoke, buy, or sell it you are committing a crime. I simply cannot understand trying to play the victim when you knowingly commit a crime and actually have to suffer the consequences.
That said, I would not drink at all if it was illegal for me to do so. I would feel the same way about people crying victim if they were arrested for drinking and it was illegal. Comparing potheads in prison to political prisoners is insulting to all those that have suffered that fate and is outright ignorant. [/quote]
Have you ever heard of civil disobedience . Our country was founded on disobedience
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
I simply cannot understand trying to play the victim when you knowingly commit a crime and actually have to suffer the consequences.[/quote]
What is the force or fraud issue here? Shouldn’t there be one if the law is going to be involved?
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So according to that, many forms of child pornography are not criminal and have no business being considered as crimes?
But I do agree that every man has free will. However if you choose to exercise that free will a particular manner in a country that prohibits that manner, you are not a victim but merely accepted the fact that your actions would carry consequences in that land. You weighed those consequences against your personal desire and against your willingness to relocate to a place where you could satisfy that desire unmolested and chose to chance the consequences of the land. You are not a victim any more than a gambler is a victim after he loses a bet.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
I have not really commented on whether or not I believe pot should or should not be illegal. However, it is illegal and there is a perfectly reasonable way to avoid suffering any of the legal consequences. Until it is legal, if you smoke, buy, or sell it you are committing a crime. I simply cannot understand trying to play the victim when you knowingly commit a crime and actually have to suffer the consequences.
That said, I would not drink at all if it was illegal for me to do so. I would feel the same way about people crying victim if they were arrested for drinking and it was illegal. Comparing potheads in prison to political prisoners is insulting to all those that have suffered that fate and is outright ignorant. [/quote]
Have you ever heard of civil disobedience . Our country was founded on disobedience [/quote]
Yes but you really want to compare fighting for your right to smoke pot with that of fighting for the right to be free of imperial rule and taxation from a foreign land or the fight for civil rights? Those causes seem equivalent to you?
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
I have not really commented on whether or not I believe pot should or should not be illegal. However, it is illegal and there is a perfectly reasonable way to avoid suffering any of the legal consequences. Until it is legal, if you smoke, buy, or sell it you are committing a crime. I simply cannot understand trying to play the victim when you knowingly commit a crime and actually have to suffer the consequences.
That said, I would not drink at all if it was illegal for me to do so. I would feel the same way about people crying victim if they were arrested for drinking and it was illegal. Comparing potheads in prison to political prisoners is insulting to all those that have suffered that fate and is outright ignorant. [/quote]
Have you ever heard of civil disobedience . Our country was founded on disobedience [/quote]
Yes but you really want to compare fighting for your right to smoke pot with that of fighting for the right to be free of imperial rule and taxation from a foreign land or the fight for civil rights? Those causes seem equivalent to you?
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To Pitt yes, to normal people no.
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
I have not really commented on whether or not I believe pot should or should not be illegal. However, it is illegal and there is a perfectly reasonable way to avoid suffering any of the legal consequences. Until it is legal, if you smoke, buy, or sell it you are committing a crime. I simply cannot understand trying to play the victim when you knowingly commit a crime and actually have to suffer the consequences.
That said, I would not drink at all if it was illegal for me to do so. I would feel the same way about people crying victim if they were arrested for drinking and it was illegal. Comparing potheads in prison to political prisoners is insulting to all those that have suffered that fate and is outright ignorant. [/quote]
Have you ever heard of civil disobedience . Our country was founded on disobedience [/quote]
Yes but you really want to compare fighting for your right to smoke pot with that of fighting for the right to be free of imperial rule and taxation from a foreign land or the fight for civil rights? Those causes seem equivalent to you?
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Most of the people at the time did not have a pot to piss in , do you think they cared one way or another who was in control . I am sure the Richest Man in America promised them a better life if they would pitch in and over throw England . I know it is another thread but I believe American history has been tweaked so every one saw England as an oppressing force. I think the majority did not care one way or the other because all they were doing was eking out a living
Yes I put my right to do what I like , that harms no one , including myself in the same category
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
I have not really commented on whether or not I believe pot should or should not be illegal. However, it is illegal and there is a perfectly reasonable way to avoid suffering any of the legal consequences. Until it is legal, if you smoke, buy, or sell it you are committing a crime. I simply cannot understand trying to play the victim when you knowingly commit a crime and actually have to suffer the consequences.
That said, I would not drink at all if it was illegal for me to do so. I would feel the same way about people crying victim if they were arrested for drinking and it was illegal. Comparing potheads in prison to political prisoners is insulting to all those that have suffered that fate and is outright ignorant. [/quote]
Have you ever heard of civil disobedience . Our country was founded on disobedience [/quote]
Yes but you really want to compare fighting for your right to smoke pot with that of fighting for the right to be free of imperial rule and taxation from a foreign land or the fight for civil rights? Those causes seem equivalent to you?
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To Pitt yes, to normal people no.
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I think there are more people that smoke pot than you would believe , I wanted to get together with Bro Chris and the invitation goes to any one , Just to see how normal my counter parts are ?
I bet I am not what you would expect:)
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
I have not really commented on whether or not I believe pot should or should not be illegal. However, it is illegal and there is a perfectly reasonable way to avoid suffering any of the legal consequences. Until it is legal, if you smoke, buy, or sell it you are committing a crime. I simply cannot understand trying to play the victim when you knowingly commit a crime and actually have to suffer the consequences.
That said, I would not drink at all if it was illegal for me to do so. I would feel the same way about people crying victim if they were arrested for drinking and it was illegal. Comparing potheads in prison to political prisoners is insulting to all those that have suffered that fate and is outright ignorant. [/quote]
Have you ever heard of civil disobedience . Our country was founded on disobedience [/quote]
Yes but you really want to compare fighting for your right to smoke pot with that of fighting for the right to be free of imperial rule and taxation from a foreign land or the fight for civil rights? Those causes seem equivalent to you?
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Most of the people at the time did not have a pot to piss in , do you think they cared one way or another who was in control . I am sure the Richest Man in America promised them a better life if they would pitch in and over throw England . I know it is another thread but I believe American history has been tweaked so every one saw England as an oppressing force. I think the majority did not care one way or the other because all they were doing was eking out a living
Yes I put my right to do what I like , that harms no one , including myself in the same category
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You are participating in a illegal trade that has cost people their lives. You are no different than Diamond companies purchasing blood diamonds. I can draw wild parallels as well.
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
I have not really commented on whether or not I believe pot should or should not be illegal. However, it is illegal and there is a perfectly reasonable way to avoid suffering any of the legal consequences. Until it is legal, if you smoke, buy, or sell it you are committing a crime. I simply cannot understand trying to play the victim when you knowingly commit a crime and actually have to suffer the consequences.
That said, I would not drink at all if it was illegal for me to do so. I would feel the same way about people crying victim if they were arrested for drinking and it was illegal. Comparing potheads in prison to political prisoners is insulting to all those that have suffered that fate and is outright ignorant. [/quote]
Have you ever heard of civil disobedience . Our country was founded on disobedience [/quote]
Yes but you really want to compare fighting for your right to smoke pot with that of fighting for the right to be free of imperial rule and taxation from a foreign land or the fight for civil rights? Those causes seem equivalent to you?
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Most of the people at the time did not have a pot to piss in , do you think they cared one way or another who was in control . I am sure the Richest Man in America promised them a better life if they would pitch in and over throw England . I know it is another thread but I believe American history has been tweaked so every one saw England as an oppressing force. I think the majority did not care one way or the other because all they were doing was eking out a living
Yes I put my right to do what I like , that harms no one , including myself in the same category
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You are participating in a illegal trade that has cost people their lives. You are no different than Diamond companies purchasing blood diamonds. I can draw wild parallels as well.[/quote]
I grow my own 
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Are people really acting like there’s some easy solution to the war on drugs? The minimum sentences were put in place for a reason, that reason may have backfired but it was an attempt to fix it. Letting everybody go is just another attempt in the opposite direction that won’t work.
Look at how differently everybody is looking at something as simple as a stop sign?
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I actually agree with you on this.
IMO users of marijuana should be treated like alcohol users. Do whatever you want to in your house, but if you are driving then DUI come into play. Sellers of marijuana should be treated like bars, and liquor stores. If you allow someone to get high in your establishment and they drive and kill someone you are on the hook.
IMO any drug that can kill you because of an overdose (heroine, crack, cocaine…) Should still be treated as it is now, both users and sellers. [/quote]
You forgot to add alcohol. Of these 4 drugs, none will kill you from withdrawal with the exception of alcohol.[/quote]
Please enlighten me. How much and for how long do you have to use alcohol for this to happen?
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A BAC of .4 can kill you in the short term. Happens fairly often on college campuses, particularly around when kids turn 21 and try to do 21 shots.
As for the dying from withdrawal it generally takes years, but lets not pretend alcohol is not the most abused drug on the planet. Convulsions leading to death are not uncommon, the same with heart attacks from excessive drinking. Heroin withdrawals will not kill you they will just make you wish you were dead. The only other commonly used narcotic that will kill through withdrawals are Benzodiazepines.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
I have not really commented on whether or not I believe pot should or should not be illegal. However, it is illegal and there is a perfectly reasonable way to avoid suffering any of the legal consequences. Until it is legal, if you smoke, buy, or sell it you are committing a crime. I simply cannot understand trying to play the victim when you knowingly commit a crime and actually have to suffer the consequences.
That said, I would not drink at all if it was illegal for me to do so. I would feel the same way about people crying victim if they were arrested for drinking and it was illegal. Comparing potheads in prison to political prisoners is insulting to all those that have suffered that fate and is outright ignorant. [/quote]
Have you ever heard of civil disobedience . Our country was founded on disobedience [/quote]
Yes but you really want to compare fighting for your right to smoke pot with that of fighting for the right to be free of imperial rule and taxation from a foreign land or the fight for civil rights? Those causes seem equivalent to you?
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To Pitt yes, to normal people no.
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Although I don’t advocate the legalization of drugs; from a civil liberty point of view they are equivalent.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
I have not really commented on whether or not I believe pot should or should not be illegal. However, it is illegal and there is a perfectly reasonable way to avoid suffering any of the legal consequences. Until it is legal, if you smoke, buy, or sell it you are committing a crime. I simply cannot understand trying to play the victim when you knowingly commit a crime and actually have to suffer the consequences.
That said, I would not drink at all if it was illegal for me to do so. I would feel the same way about people crying victim if they were arrested for drinking and it was illegal. Comparing potheads in prison to political prisoners is insulting to all those that have suffered that fate and is outright ignorant. [/quote]
Have you ever heard of civil disobedience . Our country was founded on disobedience [/quote]
Yes but you really want to compare fighting for your right to smoke pot with that of fighting for the right to be free of imperial rule and taxation from a foreign land or the fight for civil rights? Those causes seem equivalent to you?
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Most of the people at the time did not have a pot to piss in , do you think they cared one way or another who was in control . I am sure the Richest Man in America promised them a better life if they would pitch in and over throw England . I know it is another thread but I believe American history has been tweaked so every one saw England as an oppressing force. I think the majority did not care one way or the other because all they were doing was eking out a living
Yes I put my right to do what I like , that harms no one , including myself in the same category
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You are participating in a illegal trade that has cost people their lives. You are no different than Diamond companies purchasing blood diamonds. I can draw wild parallels as well.[/quote]
I grow my own
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Haha I still disagree with you but I probably should have done a better job indicating that my blood diamond post was mostly out of pointed humor. But I still maintain my point that you do have free will, with that free will you could choose to leave and go somewhere where it is legal to smoke. If you would rather stay and smoke, then you are breaking the law and are ok with the gamble that entails. So don’t complain when the gamble doesn’t work out.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Are people really acting like there’s some easy solution to the war on drugs? The minimum sentences were put in place for a reason, that reason may have backfired but it was an attempt to fix it. Letting everybody go is just another attempt in the opposite direction that won’t work.
Look at how differently everybody is looking at something as simple as a stop sign?
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I actually agree with you on this.
IMO users of marijuana should be treated like alcohol users. Do whatever you want to in your house, but if you are driving then DUI come into play. Sellers of marijuana should be treated like bars, and liquor stores. If you allow someone to get high in your establishment and they drive and kill someone you are on the hook.
IMO any drug that can kill you because of an overdose (heroine, crack, cocaine…) Should still be treated as it is now, both users and sellers. [/quote]
This is where the war makes no sense, there are food that kill more people that pot . The whole problem of drugs should be treated medically. I have friends that went through successful drug rehabs and they were fucking expensive . But so is incarceration
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Pitt, what food can kill you in one use? Heroine can, crack can, cocaine in a large enougth quantity can. I don’t know any foods that can do that.
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Now you are talking about allergies, and that is completely different from the discussion.
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No I am talking peanuts , It seems just about any reaction to a substance is an allergy
al·ler·gy
/Ë?alÉ?rjÄ?/
Noun
A damaging immune response by the body to a substance, esp. pollen, fur, a particular food, or dust, to which it has become hypersensitive.
An antipathy: "their allergy to free enterprise".
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
You are participating in a illegal trade that has cost people their lives. You are no different than Diamond companies purchasing blood diamonds. I can draw wild parallels as well.[/quote]
It’s circular when anything can be declared illegal.