[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Are people really acting like there’s some easy solution to the war on drugs? The minimum sentences were put in place for a reason, that reason may have backfired but it was an attempt to fix it. Letting everybody go is just another attempt in the opposite direction that won’t work.
Look at how differently everybody is looking at something as simple as a stop sign?
[/quote]
I actually agree with you on this.
IMO users of marijuana should be treated like alcohol users. Do whatever you want to in your house, but if you are driving then DUI come into play. Sellers of marijuana should be treated like bars, and liquor stores. If you allow someone to get high in your establishment and they drive and kill someone you are on the hook.
IMO any drug that can kill you because of an overdose (heroine, crack, cocaine…) Should still be treated as it is now, both users and sellers. [/quote]
This is where the war makes no sense, there are food that kill more people that pot . The whole problem of drugs should be treated medically. I have friends that went through successful drug rehabs and they were fucking expensive . But so is incarceration
[/quote]
Pitt, what food can kill you in one use? Heroine can, crack can, cocaine in a large enougth quantity can. I don’t know any foods that can do that.
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
If he did something in resisting arrest while handling a firearm, which caused the officer to draw and then he proceeded to kill the officer, he is guilty of capital murder and should be put to death quickly so as to not waste my tax dollars on his sorry ass. The disarming and handcuffing his for his protection as well as the officers. It keeps misunderstandings from occurring in intense situations. There is no scenario there where he would have been justified in killing the officer other than something quite obvious. [/quote]
So it’s safe to assume you believe the police are above the law?
Say a man runs out of his house, tries to take the firearm you are legally carrying, then draws his gun on you when you resist; you believe the other man was in the right?
The officer had NO LAWFUL REASON to detain him or take his firearm.
I knew America had slipped, but please tell me we haven’t slipped to the point where we say, “If the government does it, then it’s lawful.” Do we no longer believe in the rule of law, only government?[/quote]
No but I have no idea why the man was in the video was detained, he says for nothing but a lot of people say that. Brandishing a weapon is still a crime in many places, which he was doing. And Cops are not regular citizens as they are required to place themselves in dangerous situations in the name of public safety. Doesn’t make them above the law, just makes them enforcers of it. If some random guy tried to write me a speeding ticket I would tell him to back off. He has no right to do such however a cop does.
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Are people really acting like there’s some easy solution to the war on drugs? The minimum sentences were put in place for a reason, that reason may have backfired but it was an attempt to fix it. Letting everybody go is just another attempt in the opposite direction that won’t work.
Look at how differently everybody is looking at something as simple as a stop sign?
[/quote]
The war has been raging since Nixon , other than spending a SHIT load of money and ruining a SHIT load of lives , what have we accomplished ?
[/quote]
Thats the point 40 yrs later what have accomplished besides flushing billions down the toilet & feeding people into a meatgrinder? Not to mention the rise of the cartels… If it worked it would be one thing but its just the opposite drugs are stronger and more available then ever before. check out (The house I live in) on net flix its a good documentry on the subject
I don’t see how so many pro gun people, supposed small government people complaining about NSA, etc. can be all for the government complex that is locking people up for doing awful things often to themselves. How many people are in jail for trying to smoke a joint? How much has this cost us? Is society really better off?
And if it is why don’t these people support having the government make more decisions for us? If someone wants to gamble let them gamble. They want to get high let them get high. If they hurt someone else in the process then go after them. Why do we need the government to save us from ourselves? Why can’t we be free to make our own choices? Why do we need the government to tell us what those choices must be?
And jesus christ it’s not like it’s working. It’s been really good for destroying families, giving rise to cartels, and coming at an insane taxpayer cost.
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Are people really acting like there’s some easy solution to the war on drugs? The minimum sentences were put in place for a reason, that reason may have backfired but it was an attempt to fix it. Letting everybody go is just another attempt in the opposite direction that won’t work.
Look at how differently everybody is looking at something as simple as a stop sign?
[/quote]
I actually agree with you on this.
IMO users of marijuana should be treated like alcohol users. Do whatever you want to in your house, but if you are driving then DUI come into play. Sellers of marijuana should be treated like bars, and liquor stores. If you allow someone to get high in your establishment and they drive and kill someone you are on the hook.
IMO any drug that can kill you because of an overdose (heroine, crack, cocaine…) Should still be treated as it is now, both users and sellers. [/quote]
This is where the war makes no sense, there are food that kill more people that pot . The whole problem of drugs should be treated medically. I have friends that went through successful drug rehabs and they were fucking expensive . But so is incarceration
[/quote]
Pitt, what food can kill you in one use? Heroine can, crack can, cocaine in a large enougth quantity can. I don’t know any foods that can do that.
[/quote]
So to save the heroin user from killing himself we should lock him in jail for the rest of his life? At least heroin didn’t kill him!
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Are people really acting like there’s some easy solution to the war on drugs? The minimum sentences were put in place for a reason, that reason may have backfired but it was an attempt to fix it. Letting everybody go is just another attempt in the opposite direction that won’t work.
Look at how differently everybody is looking at something as simple as a stop sign?
[/quote]
I actually agree with you on this.
IMO users of marijuana should be treated like alcohol users. Do whatever you want to in your house, but if you are driving then DUI come into play. Sellers of marijuana should be treated like bars, and liquor stores. If you allow someone to get high in your establishment and they drive and kill someone you are on the hook.
IMO any drug that can kill you because of an overdose (heroine, crack, cocaine…) Should still be treated as it is now, both users and sellers. [/quote]
This is where the war makes no sense, there are food that kill more people that pot . The whole problem of drugs should be treated medically. I have friends that went through successful drug rehabs and they were fucking expensive . But so is incarceration
[/quote]
Pitt, what food can kill you in one use? Heroine can, crack can, cocaine in a large enougth quantity can. I don’t know any foods that can do that.
[/quote]
So to save the heroin user from killing himself we should lock him in jail for the rest of his life? At least heroin didn’t kill him!
Strong logic. [/quote]
So we need a FDA to look at harmful Rx, but not for recreational harmful drugs? And using heroin does not lock you up for life. I have also stated that I would prefer using tax dollars to put people through rehab first.
Amazing how you skip over what I said about marijuana, the largest percentage of people in jail, and focus on the small percentage of heavy drug users?
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Are people really acting like there’s some easy solution to the war on drugs? The minimum sentences were put in place for a reason, that reason may have backfired but it was an attempt to fix it. Letting everybody go is just another attempt in the opposite direction that won’t work.
Look at how differently everybody is looking at something as simple as a stop sign?
[/quote]
I actually agree with you on this.
IMO users of marijuana should be treated like alcohol users. Do whatever you want to in your house, but if you are driving then DUI come into play. Sellers of marijuana should be treated like bars, and liquor stores. If you allow someone to get high in your establishment and they drive and kill someone you are on the hook.
IMO any drug that can kill you because of an overdose (heroine, crack, cocaine…) Should still be treated as it is now, both users and sellers. [/quote]
This is where the war makes no sense, there are food that kill more people that pot . The whole problem of drugs should be treated medically. I have friends that went through successful drug rehabs and they were fucking expensive . But so is incarceration
[/quote]
Pitt, what food can kill you in one use? Heroine can, crack can, cocaine in a large enougth quantity can. I don’t know any foods that can do that.
[/quote]
So to save the heroin user from killing himself we should lock him in jail for the rest of his life? At least heroin didn’t kill him!
Strong logic. [/quote]
So we need a FDA to look at harmful Rx, but not for recreational harmful drugs? And using heroin does not lock you up for life. I have also stated that I would prefer using tax dollars to put people through rehab first.
Amazing how you skip over what I said about marijuana, the largest percentage of people in jail, and focus on the small percentage of heavy drug users?
Strong Logic.
[/quote]
I didn’t skip over it I just didn’t address it. All I was pointing out was that it doesn’t seem to make much sense to me to lock people up for long term to save them from themselves. You didn’t change that. All I was talking about was your “these drugs can kill you in one use” (btw so can alcohol which I assume you also want banned if that is your criteria) post not anything else.
Tylenol can also kill you in one dose. Pretty much anything you can ingest in a certain quantity can.
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Are people really acting like there’s some easy solution to the war on drugs? The minimum sentences were put in place for a reason, that reason may have backfired but it was an attempt to fix it. Letting everybody go is just another attempt in the opposite direction that won’t work.
Look at how differently everybody is looking at something as simple as a stop sign?
[/quote]
I actually agree with you on this.
IMO users of marijuana should be treated like alcohol users. Do whatever you want to in your house, but if you are driving then DUI come into play. Sellers of marijuana should be treated like bars, and liquor stores. If you allow someone to get high in your establishment and they drive and kill someone you are on the hook.
IMO any drug that can kill you because of an overdose (heroine, crack, cocaine…) Should still be treated as it is now, both users and sellers. [/quote]
This is where the war makes no sense, there are food that kill more people that pot . The whole problem of drugs should be treated medically. I have friends that went through successful drug rehabs and they were fucking expensive . But so is incarceration
[/quote]
Pitt, what food can kill you in one use? Heroine can, crack can, cocaine in a large enougth quantity can. I don’t know any foods that can do that.
[/quote]
So to save the heroin user from killing himself we should lock him in jail for the rest of his life? At least heroin didn’t kill him!
Strong logic. [/quote]
So we need a FDA to look at harmful Rx, but not for recreational harmful drugs? And using heroin does not lock you up for life. I have also stated that I would prefer using tax dollars to put people through rehab first.
Amazing how you skip over what I said about marijuana, the largest percentage of people in jail, and focus on the small percentage of heavy drug users?
Strong Logic.
[/quote]
I didn’t skip over it I just didn’t address it. All I was pointing out was that it doesn’t seem to make much sense to me to lock people up for long term to save them from themselves. You didn’t change that. All I was talking about was your “these drugs can kill you in one use” (btw so can alcohol which I assume you also want banned if that is your criteria) post not anything else.
Tylenol can also kill you in one dose. Pretty much anything you can ingest in a certain quantity can. [/quote]
Alcohol and Tylenol do not kill in one dose. They kill over extreme long use and abuse of the product. By rotting your liver or kidneys.
Heroin can kill someone in a small dose and only one use.
I would prefer to put someone through rehab before putting them in jail. If the person gets out of rehab and keeps their nose clean then nothing else will happen. If they go back to using then rehab is on their dime, charity’s money, or jail.
I have friends that have issues with hard core drugs. I give money to a charity called Teen Challenge. A great organization that I have spent some time with and seen how they help.
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Are people really acting like there’s some easy solution to the war on drugs? The minimum sentences were put in place for a reason, that reason may have backfired but it was an attempt to fix it. Letting everybody go is just another attempt in the opposite direction that won’t work.
Look at how differently everybody is looking at something as simple as a stop sign?
[/quote]
I actually agree with you on this.
IMO users of marijuana should be treated like alcohol users. Do whatever you want to in your house, but if you are driving then DUI come into play. Sellers of marijuana should be treated like bars, and liquor stores. If you allow someone to get high in your establishment and they drive and kill someone you are on the hook.
IMO any drug that can kill you because of an overdose (heroine, crack, cocaine…) Should still be treated as it is now, both users and sellers. [/quote]
This is where the war makes no sense, there are food that kill more people that pot . The whole problem of drugs should be treated medically. I have friends that went through successful drug rehabs and they were fucking expensive . But so is incarceration
[/quote]
Pitt, what food can kill you in one use? Heroine can, crack can, cocaine in a large enougth quantity can. I don’t know any foods that can do that.
[/quote]
So to save the heroin user from killing himself we should lock him in jail for the rest of his life? At least heroin didn’t kill him!
Strong logic. [/quote]
So we need a FDA to look at harmful Rx, but not for recreational harmful drugs? And using heroin does not lock you up for life. I have also stated that I would prefer using tax dollars to put people through rehab first.
Amazing how you skip over what I said about marijuana, the largest percentage of people in jail, and focus on the small percentage of heavy drug users?
Strong Logic.
[/quote]
I didn’t skip over it I just didn’t address it. All I was pointing out was that it doesn’t seem to make much sense to me to lock people up for long term to save them from themselves. You didn’t change that. All I was talking about was your “these drugs can kill you in one use” (btw so can alcohol which I assume you also want banned if that is your criteria) post not anything else.
Tylenol can also kill you in one dose. Pretty much anything you can ingest in a certain quantity can. [/quote]
Alcohol and Tylenol do not kill in one dose. They kill over extreme long use and abuse of the product. By rotting your liver or kidneys.
Heroin can kill someone in a small dose and only one use.
I would prefer to put someone through rehab before putting them in jail. If the person gets out of rehab and keeps their nose clean then nothing else will happen. If they go back to using then rehab is on their dime, charity’s money, or jail.
I have friends that have issues with hard core drugs. I give money to a charity called Teen Challenge. A great organization that I have spent some time with and seen how they help. [/quote]
Alcohol can kill you in one dose.
Same way that heroin does, you forget that breathing is kind of important.
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Are people really acting like there’s some easy solution to the war on drugs? The minimum sentences were put in place for a reason, that reason may have backfired but it was an attempt to fix it. Letting everybody go is just another attempt in the opposite direction that won’t work.
Look at how differently everybody is looking at something as simple as a stop sign?
[/quote]
I actually agree with you on this.
IMO users of marijuana should be treated like alcohol users. Do whatever you want to in your house, but if you are driving then DUI come into play. Sellers of marijuana should be treated like bars, and liquor stores. If you allow someone to get high in your establishment and they drive and kill someone you are on the hook.
IMO any drug that can kill you because of an overdose (heroine, crack, cocaine…) Should still be treated as it is now, both users and sellers. [/quote]
This is where the war makes no sense, there are food that kill more people that pot . The whole problem of drugs should be treated medically. I have friends that went through successful drug rehabs and they were fucking expensive . But so is incarceration
[/quote]
Pitt, what food can kill you in one use? Heroine can, crack can, cocaine in a large enougth quantity can. I don’t know any foods that can do that.
[/quote]
So to save the heroin user from killing himself we should lock him in jail for the rest of his life? At least heroin didn’t kill him!
Strong logic. [/quote]
So we need a FDA to look at harmful Rx, but not for recreational harmful drugs? And using heroin does not lock you up for life. I have also stated that I would prefer using tax dollars to put people through rehab first.
Amazing how you skip over what I said about marijuana, the largest percentage of people in jail, and focus on the small percentage of heavy drug users?
Strong Logic.
[/quote]
I didn’t skip over it I just didn’t address it. All I was pointing out was that it doesn’t seem to make much sense to me to lock people up for long term to save them from themselves. You didn’t change that. All I was talking about was your “these drugs can kill you in one use” (btw so can alcohol which I assume you also want banned if that is your criteria) post not anything else.
Tylenol can also kill you in one dose. Pretty much anything you can ingest in a certain quantity can. [/quote]
Alcohol and Tylenol do not kill in one dose. They kill over extreme long use and abuse of the product. By rotting your liver or kidneys.
Heroin can kill someone in a small dose and only one use.
I would prefer to put someone through rehab before putting them in jail. If the person gets out of rehab and keeps their nose clean then nothing else will happen. If they go back to using then rehab is on their dime, charity’s money, or jail.
I have friends that have issues with hard core drugs. I give money to a charity called Teen Challenge. A great organization that I have spent some time with and seen how they help. [/quote]
Lol where are you getting your information from? Alcohol poisoning doesn’t need a long time you could have a kid pass away the first time they drank. MOST things when used improperly can kill you. Of course Tylenol is no heroin, but anything used improperly can take you down which was my point. Tylenol averages over 400 deaths per year. And is the number one cause for calls to poison control center.
Alcohol will kill far more people than heroin this year. I’m assuming you’re for banning it right?
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Are people really acting like there’s some easy solution to the war on drugs? The minimum sentences were put in place for a reason, that reason may have backfired but it was an attempt to fix it. Letting everybody go is just another attempt in the opposite direction that won’t work.
Look at how differently everybody is looking at something as simple as a stop sign?
[/quote]
I actually agree with you on this.
IMO users of marijuana should be treated like alcohol users. Do whatever you want to in your house, but if you are driving then DUI come into play. Sellers of marijuana should be treated like bars, and liquor stores. If you allow someone to get high in your establishment and they drive and kill someone you are on the hook.
IMO any drug that can kill you because of an overdose (heroine, crack, cocaine…) Should still be treated as it is now, both users and sellers. [/quote]
This is where the war makes no sense, there are food that kill more people that pot . The whole problem of drugs should be treated medically. I have friends that went through successful drug rehabs and they were fucking expensive . But so is incarceration
[/quote]
Pitt, what food can kill you in one use? Heroine can, crack can, cocaine in a large enougth quantity can. I don’t know any foods that can do that.
[/quote]
So to save the heroin user from killing himself we should lock him in jail for the rest of his life? At least heroin didn’t kill him!
Strong logic. [/quote]
So we need a FDA to look at harmful Rx, but not for recreational harmful drugs? And using heroin does not lock you up for life. I have also stated that I would prefer using tax dollars to put people through rehab first.
Amazing how you skip over what I said about marijuana, the largest percentage of people in jail, and focus on the small percentage of heavy drug users?
Strong Logic.
[/quote]
I didn’t skip over it I just didn’t address it. All I was pointing out was that it doesn’t seem to make much sense to me to lock people up for long term to save them from themselves. You didn’t change that. All I was talking about was your “these drugs can kill you in one use” (btw so can alcohol which I assume you also want banned if that is your criteria) post not anything else.
Tylenol can also kill you in one dose. Pretty much anything you can ingest in a certain quantity can. [/quote]
Alcohol and Tylenol do not kill in one dose. They kill over extreme long use and abuse of the product. By rotting your liver or kidneys.
Heroin can kill someone in a small dose and only one use.
I would prefer to put someone through rehab before putting them in jail. If the person gets out of rehab and keeps their nose clean then nothing else will happen. If they go back to using then rehab is on their dime, charity’s money, or jail.
I have friends that have issues with hard core drugs. I give money to a charity called Teen Challenge. A great organization that I have spent some time with and seen how they help. [/quote]
Lol where are you getting your information from? Alcohol poisoning doesn’t need a long time you could have a kid pass away the first time they drank. MOST things when used improperly can kill you. Of course Tylenol is no heroin, but anything used improperly can take you down which was my point. Tylenol averages over 400 deaths per year. And is the number one cause for calls to poison control center.
And when taking more than prescribed sure that is an abuse. Alcohol poising is taking more than prescribed, legal limit is .1%, that is an abuse. There is no prescription for heroine or recommended dosage, so any amount can kill you. I have never used heroine or any drugs for that matter so do not know what amount can kill you.
I will say you did state that Tylenol and Alcohol are no heroine so I now see you are not trying to be a troll. You are trying to have a rational discussion and I am open to that.
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
No but I have no idea why the man was in the video was detained, he says for nothing but a lot of people say that. Brandishing a weapon is still a crime in many places, which he was doing. And Cops are not regular citizens as they are required to place themselves in dangerous situations in the name of public safety. Doesn’t make them above the law, just makes them enforcers of it. If some random guy tried to write me a speeding ticket I would tell him to back off. He has no right to do such however a cop does. [/quote]
If he had committed a crime, he would have been arrested. Do you think the police would let that guy go if they had a lawful reason not to? If you watch the video, you’ll hear the police officers tell the guy why he was stopped.
He was not brandishing a weapon. He was openly carrying a weapon. He had a rifle strapped to his back. That is not brandishing.
Alcohol will kill far more people than heroin this year. I’m assuming you’re for banning it right? [/quote]
Is it the alcohol that is directly killing someone, or is driving after being drunk the actual reason. My wife had an uncle that was drunk and walking down the road lost his balance and hit is temple on the curb and killed him. Was it the alcohol that killed him or the curb?
I am not banning alcohol because I use it all the time. I do not consume a whole bottom of whiskey in one sitting, or drink a whole bottle of moonshine. I will drink a bottle of wine, but the alcohol percentage is much lower. You take a 750 ml bottle of heroine and shoot it into your veins at once you WILL die.
Alcohol will kill far more people than heroin this year. I’m assuming you’re for banning it right? [/quote]
Is it the alcohol that is directly killing someone, or is driving after being drunk the actual reason. My wife had an uncle that was drunk and walking down the road lost his balance and hit is temple on the curb and killed him. Was it the alcohol that killed him or the curb?
I am not banning alcohol because I use it all the time. I do not consume a whole bottom of whiskey in one sitting, or drink a whole bottle of moonshine. I will drink a bottle of wine, but the alcohol percentage is much lower. You take a 750 ml bottle of heroine and shoot it into your veins at once you WILL die.
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Am I being trolled? Have you NEVER heard of alcohol poisoning? Have you never heard of people dying from binge drinking? More people will die this year as a direct result of DRINKING alcohol than heroin. If you tack on drunk driving it’s just going to be by much more.
Your wife’s uncle would probably be alive if he hadn’t been drunk so YES it was the alcohol that killed him. It resulted in his death.
“It wasn’t the heroin that got him it was his heart giving out.” Yeah, his heart gave out
because of the heroin.
Also serious lol at not making alcohol illegal because you use it all the time. Your criteria for it is your use of it?
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
No but I have no idea why the man was in the video was detained, he says for nothing but a lot of people say that. Brandishing a weapon is still a crime in many places, which he was doing. And Cops are not regular citizens as they are required to place themselves in dangerous situations in the name of public safety. Doesn’t make them above the law, just makes them enforcers of it. If some random guy tried to write me a speeding ticket I would tell him to back off. He has no right to do such however a cop does. [/quote]
If he had committed a crime, he would have been arrested. Do you think the police would let that guy go if they had a lawful reason not to? If you watch the video, you’ll hear the police officers tell the guy why he was stopped.
He was not brandishing a weapon. He was openly carrying a weapon. He had a rifle strapped to his back. That is not brandishing.[/quote]
Looked like it was more on his front, but anyways, if a police officer stops you and you are holding a weapon at the very least I would get it out of my hands. What need do I have for it but to make him nervous? Seems to me like you are trying to escalate an already tense situation that there was really no need to escalate. Put yourself in that cops shoes, guy walking down the street with an AR, wouldn’t you want to stop and just check him out. Then if he seems to start acting non-compliant wouldn’t you be slightly suspicious? No harm in just asking a question, but if you didn’t and that guy walked down the road and started shooting up cars wouldn’t you feel pretty bad about yourself? Have you ever thought that sometimes when cops ask these questions they are merely trying to get a feel to see if they think the person is up to something. Much like when I was in college, I was walking my girlfriend her purse that she had left in my car and an officer stopped me. He chatted with me for a second and asked what I was doing and who’s purse it was. I told him laughed and kept going.
D, let me ask you this. If alcohol was made illegal would you still actively seek it out to drink if prison time would result in your being caught with it? Or would you just say o well and give up drinking?
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Are people really acting like there’s some easy solution to the war on drugs? The minimum sentences were put in place for a reason, that reason may have backfired but it was an attempt to fix it. Letting everybody go is just another attempt in the opposite direction that won’t work.
Look at how differently everybody is looking at something as simple as a stop sign?
[/quote]
I actually agree with you on this.
IMO users of marijuana should be treated like alcohol users. Do whatever you want to in your house, but if you are driving then DUI come into play. Sellers of marijuana should be treated like bars, and liquor stores. If you allow someone to get high in your establishment and they drive and kill someone you are on the hook.
IMO any drug that can kill you because of an overdose (heroine, crack, cocaine…) Should still be treated as it is now, both users and sellers. [/quote]
This is where the war makes no sense, there are food that kill more people that pot . The whole problem of drugs should be treated medically. I have friends that went through successful drug rehabs and they were fucking expensive . But so is incarceration
[/quote]
Pitt, what food can kill you in one use? Heroine can, crack can, cocaine in a large enougth quantity can. I don’t know any foods that can do that.
[/quote]
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Are people really acting like there’s some easy solution to the war on drugs? The minimum sentences were put in place for a reason, that reason may have backfired but it was an attempt to fix it. Letting everybody go is just another attempt in the opposite direction that won’t work.
Look at how differently everybody is looking at something as simple as a stop sign?
[/quote]
The war has been raging since Nixon , other than spending a SHIT load of money and ruining a SHIT load of lives , what have we accomplished ?
[/quote]
Thats the point 40 yrs later what have accomplished besides flushing billions down the toilet & feeding people into a meatgrinder? Not to mention the rise of the cartels… If it worked it would be one thing but its just the opposite drugs are stronger and more available then ever before. check out (The house I live in) on net flix its a good documentry on the subject
[/quote]
I have just started (Breaking Bad) , it is fiction but there is a moral to the story and it is that the war on drugs has been a complete failure . I will keep my eye open for ( The House I live in )
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
D, let me ask you this. If alcohol was made illegal would you still actively seek it out to drink if prison time would result in your being caught with it? Or would you just say o well and give up drinking?[/quote]
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
Looked like it was more on his front, but anyways, if a police officer stops you and you are holding a weapon at the very least I would get it out of my hands. What need do I have for it but to make him nervous? Seems to me like you are trying to escalate an already tense situation that there was really no need to escalate. Put yourself in that cops shoes, guy walking down the street with an AR, wouldn’t you want to stop and just check him out. Then if he seems to start acting non-compliant wouldn’t you be slightly suspicious? No harm in just asking a question, but if you didn’t and that guy walked down the road and started shooting up cars wouldn’t you feel pretty bad about yourself? Have you ever thought that sometimes when cops ask these questions they are merely trying to get a feel to see if they think the person is up to something. Much like when I was in college, I was walking my girlfriend her purse that she had left in my car and an officer stopped me. He chatted with me for a second and asked what I was doing and who’s purse it was. I told him laughed and kept going.[/quote]
First, I would like to say that I was mistaken. The man was arrested. I had forgotten that he was actually arrested and taken to jail(not for anything having to do with the gun mind you).
It’s hard to tell where it was from the video…however, it was on a sling.
The rifle was not in his hands(at least nobody made that claim, as far as I can tell, or charged him with brandishing). He may have put his hands on it when the officer attempted to forcefully disarm him.
You have the same “need” for a firearm in the presence of a police officer as you do at any other time.
There really was no reason to escalate the situation. The man was not breaking the law and the police should not have messed with him. The man did not escalate the situation. The government did.
A police officer has the right to talk to anyone he or she wants. I don’t believe I have said otherwise. However, a police officer does not have a right to assault or detain someone who he has no reason to believe is committing a crime. If someone doesn’t want to speak to, acknowledge, or stop for an officer, that doesn’t give the officer probable cause to detain that person.
You’re right. There’s no harm in asking a question. Anybody can do that. Again, an officer has no right to detain someone who he has no reason to believe is breaking any law. A police officer’s feelings about someone also don’t give him the right to detain or arrest that person. It’s “law enforcement,” not “psychic.”
No, I would not feel bad about myself if that man continued walking and started shooting up cars. I would then react to his criminal actions. I would have no reason to feel bad about myself because there is no way to prevent everything.
That is one of the reasons police question people. Not exactly a groundbreaking revelation, but hard to disagree with that. Refusal to respond to questioning still does not give police the right to do anything to you.
You seem to be wavering between arguing that not all police are bad and police don’t have to obey the law. I agree on the first point but not the second. You may be surprised to learn what some people who strongly disagree with your interpretation of police power do for a living.
