As often as you like to lift, the 4-5 way split should be good for you. That way you can tear down one “piece” and then let it recover and grow. But you don’t have to stay at home and rest, you just work the other pieces.
Your current routine gives Me anxiety.
Ha. Hardly a routine lol question is do I change it up while still cutting or wait for the grow phase?
Gemini actually 
Friend! In my opinion you should change Immediately. What you’re doing now seems ineffective with Terrible side effects. You should not be crying in your car before workouts or having to OD on energy drinks. I’ve been concerned for months.
Should I buy that 2b workout from thibs? Any suggestions. I do have a few Meadows programs but lack some things like legnoress and hack squat and chest press machine
cant you come up with a faster route to perfection?
damn truth and all -
Look up the ‘kingbeef’ thread
&that gym sounds motivating as Fark 
Really good suggestion,
Just general suggestions;
Mix up your rep ranges a little. It seems like you do lots of reps, 10+ or even 15+ most of the time. Maybe sprinkle in some of 6-8 range for like a quarter or a third of your work.
Rest a little more. You have a physical job, also lifting 6-7 days a week seems crazy too me. At the and time, doing push/pull/legs once a week, and only lifting 3 days would probably drive you insane. I think the more spread out bodypart split would be a great compromise. Hit the gym like 5 days a week and still give each “part” twice as much time to Grow.
Check out that Tried and True Bodybuilding template article. It’s been approved by actual Body Builders who won contests. with their muscles. It will give a nice template for you to plug in stuff you like or equipment you have.
Meadows stuff is awesome, and everybody loves it. And he definitely knows lots of cool bodybuilder tricks. But if you’re just starting out in something New it can be stressful trying to make a bunch of substitutions and adjustments.
I really like Thibadeau too. Sometimes his programs can have a lot going on though. Slow eccentrics and multiple pauses and other weird stuff. That may be too huge a change to take on all at once. But don’t totally blow it off because those things work great for MMC and targeting the muscles. And a block of Thibs stuff sets you up for great results with more “normal” lifting.
I agree with what Voxel said above. Do what seems cool or makes sense First. Then maybe make a long term plan to also try out the other two so you get Hygt, Thibs and Meadows
I e been trying to stay between 8-10 reps for the first 2 working sets of “heavy” main stuff. If I can hit those numbers I’ll bump the weight. On what little accessories and other stiff I do it generally is higher reps like you mention. Due to my job it seems o get beat up faster doing low rep work.
I agree with this. My workouts are actually pretty damn basic. I try to keep the intensity high and give it all I got to make up for the lack of quantity. I’ve really wanted to try a bro split where each “group” gets its own day. I tried it once before but used the same exercises so essentially it cut my frequency and volume for the week way down. This go around I’d actually add more and different movements for those body parts.
I know I have in the past, but never did anything with it. I shall look at it again.
I have honey badger, doomsday, creeping death 2, gama bomb, program X, the devourer, and the executioner programs from him. Never done any of them.
I’ve always kinda thought he was a quack. On a whim I took his test, read what the results said about me, read what he said my type would prefer in the gym and goal wise, what my type would get board of extremely quick, and what food is do better on. I’ll be damned if he wasn’t basically spot on like he’d been watching me grow up and lift 
. I have a weak mind and have often in the past played that to my advantage (think placebo type stuff). Makes me wonder if I think his will work because it’s designed for “me” I’ll enjoy it more or subconsciously work harder there for creating a better outcome physically.
Yea trying to do this. I looked at that bad ass thread linked with all the workouts he made. I have only had time to find a few of them but none of them looked fun. A lot of it is either stuff I’ve been doing or have zero desire to do.
Ultimately I’m bored out of my mind. I have zero drive or motivation to continue on. The only reason I am is because I have no choice. I refuse to not have what I want in the future, and that involves good food and gym. I know I’m spinning my wheels, but I’m holding. Trying to figure out what to do next. It’s mind numbingly annoying.
Haha I felt the exact same way about my neurotype (2A) after reading the description and watching some videos about it. Just spot on! I just recently discovered Thib’s stuff, but I really like what I’ve read. I’ll be trying his “Best Workout Program for Naturals” this summer and may eventually try his 2A routine. All really good stuff. I would look into his 2B routine if I were you, because it does very much take everything that comes with your neurotype into consideration. I think you could end up really enjoying it!
Take it easy on yourself. You can make progress without pushing yourself as hard as you currently are.
The last 18 months have been the best lifting period of my life, both in terms of mental attitude towards it and results. I attribute it to better self-awareness (thanks therapy) and goal setting timelines. I want to hit certain physique and strength goals that I’ve always failed to do because I push myself way too hard for 3-4 months, get burnt out, then bail. The last 18 months or so have been me going almost as hard (5-6 sessions a week) for ~3 months, starting to feel burnt out then giving myself a few months to recover while only lifting 2 or 3 times a week, my strength progress hasn’t been fast but I’m seeing small physique gains this way, without completely reversing my progress. Not saying you need to model your approach after this, just that there is a way towards your goals that isn’t pedal to the metal.
You can still have the future you want, just do it more sustainably, over a longer time period and give yourself some love, you’re doing great.
I’m gonna see if I can find a copy or good AAR on the old one to get the feel for it.
I only quoted this part but your whole post was very good and full of all the truths. I’m definitely not maximizing my potential.
Well I found all his old workouts (2019). What he has the 2b doing looks pretty good. Nothing too fancy but definitely different than what I’m doing. Might pull the trigger on the new program. Hesitant as I don’t know what kind of machines I’ll need. I can always go back to the gym but I’d have to sit around for hours to use a barbell which is stupid.
Spinning your wheels and being bored is no fun. On the surface all programs look similar, it’s all the same lifts. Sometimes just a new organization of the same stuff feels really different and fun. It can be a little tricky figuring out how much work to do, but that’s what the program is for.
I was having the same problem with low rep, heavy stuff beating me up. Then I tried out a new setup with only 1 heavy day a week. So one week chest was heavy, doing sets of 6. And everything else was Regular sets of 10-12. Then the next week Legs would be heavy for 6’s and chest and everything else would be Regular “medium” weights for 10-12 reps. So I’d be a little sore and tender after heavy days but only 1 body part per week was smashed. Then I’d have 2-3 lighter workouts and a few weeks before I repeated the Heavy Day again.
It was cool. Every heavy day was like fun Challenge, trying to add 5-10 pounds or a rep or two. But i had a couple light days mixed in to recover and build up momentum for a coup!e weeks before I Smashed heavy day again.
I also used some Thib’s stuff like pauses and controlled eccentrics to help keep the lights a little lighter and the lifts less damaging.
Anyway, that’s just 1 possible way to do things. It was the same lifts I always did, just layed out differently enough to be a little exciting. And planned smartly so the light days were a way to recover from heavy days instead of some puss-out.
I’m sure you’ll do pretty well with watever you decide to mess with. You know how to be consistent and bust ass.
By no means am I saying I’ve done it correctly, but I have made a couple shifts already to the order of back day. Tonight I’m making a shift in tits/shoulders. Gonna reverse the whole workout. Rear delt work, lateral raise work, then heavy OHP. Gonna see how that feels. Meadows advocates starting shoulder day with rear delt work and I’ve read some other stuff about putting the main move last adding some benefit. Gonna play around until I decide on a program.
I really appreciate these words sir, most days I feel like that’s a lie, but I’m glad to hear it from someone looking from the outside in.
That’s good! Pre-exhaust with the small moves before the big moves. Embrace your BodyBuilder tendencies. Shake things up and have some fun.
That’s also a great “light day” or “opposite day” from your normal training. Like “heavy” shoulder day could be pressing the 80s and doing some muscle damage. Then next shoulder workout starts with the small stuff, you get a solid pump to help recover from the heavy session, while you’re still working “hard” on the light stuff.
So my day ended too late last night for a workout so hit shoulders and chest today.
Flipped the order and kinda liked it
Reverse pec dec
Slight incline dumbbell rear delt flys
Dumbbell lateral raises. Doing 1 set to failure with 15’s & 20’s then 3 sets to failure with 25’s then drop set of death back down to 10’s
Seated dumbbell OHP - apparently your rear delts add a massive amount of stabilization for this lol with them fried I couldn’t go past 60’s
Cable flys from the bottom
Seated chest press machine
Cable curls with rope attachment
Reverse EZcurl bar curls
V bar cable curls
Single arm cable curls
Dips and one set of leg raises for dem abz
Was planning on doing calf work and tanning but forgot
Putting the OHP last and the other stuff first made my shoulders feel great the entire workout. I am normally fighting through the pain and today they just felt healthy AF. Also got to see some new definition and muscle separation today while doing lateral raises. So that was cool. 205 this morning.
Fixing to leave to go out of town. Gonna find a planet fitness tomorrow or Sunday for back day and then do legs when I get back home.
My cheat meal is tonight!!! Foot long chili dog and homemade milkshake with extra chocolate extra banana!!! Woot woot!!!
I get this!!
I would usually do a few warmups, then got straight for the OHP - Things hurt until the end of the workout, almost like I finally get warmed up then the session is over -
Good move putting it last -